Microsoft Claims the iPad "Isn’t a Real Computer"

aokman said:
There isn't much an iPad cant do these days, hell you can even do 4K video editing on the Pro's. People seem to just overlook the fact that you do things differently than you would on a PC. Yes it is restrictive but it improves every month as desktop apps port across.
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Like access a VDI session with a trackpad? Apple makes the best trackpads and yet somehow they still don't support them in iOS. The Surface's cover trackpads are crap by comparison but at least you can actually use them with the OS.
 
ND40oz said:
Like access a VDI session with a trackpad? Apple makes the best trackpads and yet somehow they still don't support them in iOS. The Surface's cover trackpads are crap by comparison but at least you can actually use them with the OS.
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Microshaft are the ones who have been pushing the touch interface, use the dam pencil or get a normal laptop.
 
aokman said:
Microshaft are the ones who have been pushing the touch interface, use the dam pencil or get a normal laptop.
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And yet you can use any windows peripheral accessory with their devices. Apple won't even support their first party mouse and trackpad, instead we're limited to the barely a mouse Swiftpoint GT which only works in certain apps when you configure it with them.
 
ND40oz said:
And yet you can use any windows peripheral accessory with their devices. Apple won't even support their first party mouse and trackpad, instead we're limited to the barely a mouse Swiftpoint GT which only works in certain apps when you configure it with them.
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IOS is a touch interface not a desktop interface, both have their merits and both can be fully fledged computers with the right software.
 
It is not a computer at all. It is a tablet. It's for people who don't need a computer. It is not a replacement of a computer, it is a different device for different uses.
 
M76 said:
It is not a computer at all. It is a tablet. It's for people who don't need a computer. It is not a replacement of a computer, it is a different device for different uses.
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Yet that is not how Apple is portraying their iPads anymore.
 
aokman said:
IOS is a touch interface not a desktop interface, both have their merits and both can be fully fledged computers with the right software.
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But that's the point, iOS doesn't support software that we've been running for years on computers and the Surface does. Part of this is because they refuse to support trackpads/mice and choose to rely on the touchscreen for everything.
 
ND40oz said:
But that's the point, iOS doesn't support software that we've been running for years on computers and the Surface does. Part of this is because they refuse to support trackpads/mice and choose to rely on the touchscreen for everything.
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Doesnt support? You mean software hasnt been developed... once photoshop is released, basically everything is supported. Its Adobes job to make that happen not Apple. Affinity photo has been available for ages...
 
aokman said:
Doesnt support? You mean software hasnt been developed... once photoshop is released, basically everything is supported. Its Adobes job to make that happen not Apple. Affinity photo has been available for ages...
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Having a portable tablet that supports a mouse/trackpad so a user can hit a full desktop in a VDI session is needed. VMware and Citrix have the software and have done their best to work around Apple's self imposed limitation. But Apple's refusal of supporting pointing devices in iOS is what makes them vastly inferior to the Surface Pro for that usage scenario.
 
Order of productivity:
Keyboard only> keyboard and mouse > laptop (keyboard trackpad) > everything else > touch only.
 
This is entertaining it seems that Microsoft is under the impression that Apple owners care about having a computer that is the sole idea of them owning an Apple to begin with.

Typical stupidity of people who don't know what there talking about and worse that they get paid for release this nonsense to begin with ...
But then again classic Microsoft under the impression that they somehow do matter ... And the other people just being stupid for not wanting to have a real computer ;)
 
The iPad Pro could be a lot better if they'd just make it run the full-fledged macOS, without any of the stupid iOS limitations like dependency on iTunes, no mouse support without jailbreaking, no background downloads, no real file system access (the Files app on iOS 11 isn't cutting it for me, it relies too much on iCloud storage), no Xcode (hint: real computers let you develop directly on them, there's a reason they used to have BASIC interpreters right in the ROM in the '80s), so on and so forth.

As it stands, an old Macintosh II is far more of a computer than an iPad Pro is. System 7, primitive as it is by modern standards (no preemptive multitasking, watch the Amiga owners point and laugh!), at least gives you a real file system, decent I/O for the era, and the ability to develop your own applications.

Granted, I like the Pencil, the 120 Hz screen, the battery life and overall portability. It's almost enough of a selling point for these things to be sketchpads... until I realize what a letdown the software side of things is, coupled with the file management problem. Like, yeah, you could run CLIP STUDIO PAINT on iOS, but it's a monthly subscription, unlike the Windows/macOS version. I hate being forced into that. So do lots of other people who hate that Adobe took the same direction with Creative Suite years back.

When you look at it that way, you might as well buy a Cintiq Companion 2, MobileStudio Pro, or the HP Zbook X2... if your wallet can handle it. Those things all make iPad Pros look like budget products. Or you could buy a Surface Pro 2 256/512 GB model, so long as you don't need tilt sensitivity in your workflow. (I'm ruling out the Pro 3 and 4 because the N-trig pens on those suck when you're used to Wacom. Pro 2017 and 6 closed the gap somewhat.)
 
NamelessPFG said:
The iPad Pro could be a lot better if they'd just make it run the full-fledged macOS, without any of the stupid iOS limitations like dependency on iTunes, no mouse support without jailbreaking, no background downloads, no real file system access (the Files app on iOS 11 isn't cutting it for me, it relies too much on iCloud storage), no Xcode (hint: real computers let you develop directly on them, there's a reason they used to have BASIC interpreters right in the ROM in the '80s), so on and so forth.

As it stands, an old Macintosh II is far more of a computer than an iPad Pro is. System 7, primitive as it is by modern standards (no preemptive multitasking, watch the Amiga owners point and laugh!), at least gives you a real file system, decent I/O for the era, and the ability to develop your own applications.

Granted, I like the Pencil, the 120 Hz screen, the battery life and overall portability. It's almost enough of a selling point for these things to be sketchpads... until I realize what a letdown the software side of things is, coupled with the file management problem. Like, yeah, you could run CLIP STUDIO PAINT on iOS, but it's a monthly subscription, unlike the Windows/macOS version. I hate being forced into that. So do lots of other people who hate that Adobe took the same direction with Creative Suite years back.

When you look at it that way, you might as well buy a Cintiq Companion 2, MobileStudio Pro, or the HP Zbook X2... if your wallet can handle it. Those things all make iPad Pros look like budget products. Or you could buy a Surface Pro 2 256/512 GB model, so long as you don't need tilt sensitivity in your workflow. (I'm ruling out the Pro 3 and 4 because the N-trig pens on those suck when you're used to Wacom. Pro 2017 and 6 closed the gap somewhat.)
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I miss system 7, good 'ol days. :)
 
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