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Etherton said:
Are you behind a firewall that does not allow anything but RT propaganda?
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Well, the RT report is true and therefore it isn't propaganda. I think that means that your comment, on the other hand, is propaganda.

If people restricted themselves to posting links from Western MSM, then it would be impossible for the truth to be presented.
 
timberwolf said:
HSBC should get more than a casual look too. I seem to recall that they were/are involved (among others) with the laundering of cartel drug money. Making $$ by looking the other way. (May have not been them, but too lazy to look it up this morning).
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It was them. HSBC just has a history of shady shit. In terms of just kinda scummy they are heavily in to high interest loans/CCs to people with poor credit but then it gets up to shady/questionable things like holding money for Gaddafi and all the way to straight out illegal shit like laundering drug money. While companies always deserve to be looked at skeptically, HSBC is one that does not deserve any benefit of the doubt. They seem to be ok doing whatever they can to make money, laws be damned.
 
Etherton said:
Ukraine calls up reservists amid tensions with Russia and invasion fears

Source: TheJapanTimes

Well, there went that whole Western argument.... Japan is East of Russia - at least by the rest of the worlds standard. I know Russia has issues determining where its actual borders are though. Probably need to draw them out wit crayons for you comrades.

And, excuses... 3, 2...1...
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Excuses of...? That might have sounded like a witty response to you, but it doesn't contradict anything I've said and actually doesn't touch upon the topics previously raised in this thread.

Yes, Poroshenko has called martial law citing the Kerch Strait incident - which, coincidentally, occurred less than 60 days ahead of the Ukrainian presidential election that Poroshenko is predicted to soundly lose with his ~7% public approval rating, and which occurred right before the planned Putin-Trump meeting at the G20, which was consequently cancelled. Oh, and a few of the Ukrainian sailors have testified that they were on orders to ignore all radio communication and instructions as they sailed into Russia's territorial waters (which they did in violation of the 2003 agreement between Ukraine and Russia on shared-usage of the Kerch Strait): https://southfront.org/detained-ukr...nt-with-russia-upon-order-from-their-command/

BTW, declaring martial law cancels any elections set to occur during the martial law period, and also gives full control of Ukraine's media to the president. Poroshenko originally announced martial law would last for 60 days, cancelling the Ukrainian presidential election, but after public outcry he then set it to 30 days so that the presidential election would still happen. However, he still has full control over Ukraine's media for those 30 days, and he has also already cancelled 10 regional elections. And declaring martial law also lets Poroshenko invoke the 'rally around the flag' effect ahead of the upcoming presidential election.

So, I'm unsure what you thought your post was proving, other than that you don't know what the geopolitical West is and that the point I made to you went over your head.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
There were no videos of tanks crossing the Crimean borders........
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So that wasn't what I was watching while I ate dinner in the mess hall in Iraq?

Let's clear some things up first.

You are talking Crimea, that's 2014 right?

We are also talking Georgia, 2008, and Ukraine 2006 while I was in Iraq.

So let's get our apples and oranges back into their respective groups here OK?\
 
lcpiper said:
So that wasn't what I was watching while I ate dinner in the mess hall in Iraq?

Let's clear some things up first.

You are talking Crimea, that's 2014 right?

We are also talking Georgia, 2008, and Ukraine 2006 while I was in Iraq.

So let's get our apples and oranges back into their respective groups here OK?\
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That's right, you didn't watch tanks crossing into Crimea in 2014 while you were eating food in a mess hall in Iraq.

Maybe CNN was displaying some stock footage that depicted what their reports were claiming.

You're, of course, welcome to search for and post any video you find of tanks crossing into Crimea in 2014.


I haven't mentioned anything concerning Ukraine in 2006, though.
 
Delicieuxz said:
If people restricted themselves to posting links from Western MSM
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Delicieuxz said:
Excuses of...?
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Provided a source that is not from a Western MSM and still, excuses... but here's the deal Comrade. I don't give a shit what Russia does in it's backyard. Just don't try to tell me that the people of Crimea or the Ukrainians are ok with it. Sure, I am sure there is a very small population that is diehard loyalists to MotherFn Russia. Overall, not so much. I am also of personal opinion that we, the US, have more in common with Russia and its people than any other shit hole in the Middle East (or China) - with the exception of Isreal. Politics just always get in the way of that...
 
Sycraft said:
It kinda amazes me that [H] allows blatant pro-Russian trolls.
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It amazes me that some people act like they have an expectation that the world should conform to their personal prejudices, and aren't embarrassed to openly flaunt their desire to manipulate other people into submitting to those falsehood-based prejudices.


Etherton said:
Provided a source that is not from a Western MSM and still, excuses... but here's the deal Comrade. I don't give a shit what Russia does in it's backyard. Just don't try to tell me that the people of Crimea or the Ukrainians are ok with it. Sure, I am sure there is a very small population that is diehard loyalists to MotherFn Russia. Overall, not so much. I am also of personal opinion that we, the US, have more in common with Russia and its people than any other shit hole in the Middle East (or China) - with the exception of Isreal. Politics just always get in the way of that...
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Again, excuses of... ? Nowhere did I say that non-Western outlets don't report on those things. RT has been reporting about that, too.

The people of Crimea have certainly been more than OK with their accession to Russia. After first being a Greek region before being conquered by the Ottoman empire which resulted in Crimea becoming populated by Crimean Tatars, Crimea developed into an ethnic-Russian region and was one since the start of the 1900s - long before WW2 started and there was any deportation of Crimean Tatars under Stalin.

Crimea never wanted to be a part of Ukraine, and that's why Crimea voted 94.3% in favour of leaving Ukraine to be an autonomous republic of the USSR in 1991.

However, the USSR dissolved later that year and Crimea reluctantly accepted autonomous status within Ukraine as a concession. But ever since then, Crimea had sought to leave Ukraine fully and rejoin with Russia.

In violation of Ukraine's obligations as a signatory to the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Kiev was constantly obstructing Crimea's efforts to hold a referendum on leaving Ukraine and rejoining Russia, including by banishing pro-Russia politicians from Crimea's government, dissolving Crimea's government when it was pro-Russia, illegitimately claiming to unilaterally revoke Crimea's constitution which allowed Crimea to hold referendums, forcing the Ukrainian language in Crimean schools, and also installing a puppet on Crimea's Supreme Council whose job was to continually monitor the political sentiment in Crimea and immediately report any movements towards a referendum to Kiev. Crimea always wanted to be back with Russia, and their wish finally came true in 2014.

So, while West Ukraine doesn't like it, Crimea certainly is happy with it.
 
Delicieuxz said:
That's right, you didn't watch tanks crossing into Crimea in 2014 while you were eating food in a mess hall in Iraq.

Maybe CNN was displaying some stock footage that depicted what their reports were claiming.

You're, of course, welcome to search for and post any video you find of tanks crossing into Crimea in 2014.


I haven't mentioned anything concerning Ukraine in 2006, though.
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I never said I watched tanks crossing into Crimea in 2014 to begin with. I said I watched video of tanks crossing into Ukraine in 2006 while I was in a mess hall in Iraq.

So this is what I am saying, you and I are going round and round about different things. Apples Oranges.
 
I think the truth is--as almost always--somewhere in the middle.
Everyone here is half right and half wrong. And every country sees things from their own perspective.
I don't want to touch the topic of targeted assassinations and what not--just don't think the USA is any better than Russia in that regard. We've had some real messed up stuff happen here to people the government doesn't like.
But seriously, this entire discussion has gone off topic and both of you guys should just discuss this in the off topic channel, so we can get back to banging attractive Chinese women before they wrinkle up like prunes...
 
Laowai said:
If anybody is interested in the actual topic...
Here's an update.

Bail hearing still in progress but it looks as if it will be denied.

China, being China...offered a lot of threats and insults and pettiness galore.
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No way. She posts bail and she is gone. Those multi-million dollar homes are a drop in the bucket. She might have a few medical issues but if they're as bad as they're carrying on, she should not have been traveling. This is all about China saving face in the eye of world opinion.
 
sfsuphysics said:
her? Oh yeah she's already been replaced back in the Motherland
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They used the word "daughter" and there was a pic ;). I am sure she is "important to the state" until they get her back and flay her alive for being so stupid as to get caught...

Master_shake_ said:
did you just assume something?
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Nothing more than the author of the article did since they said it was the founders daughter. Plus the pic looked like a chick and not a...other. Course you never know till you check under the hood...

dgz said:
She hot?
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Nope but shes loaded so does it matter?
 
Biznatch said:
Again, absolutely NO ONE is going to take you seriously posting articles from RT.... It's ironic you're using a Russian state controlled propaganda site to try and prove that any news about russia invading is 'fake news'......
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Haha, no. On all counts. And when you make a goofy post like that, I don't think you're a person that sees clearly and isn't likely to respond to reason. I think you're prejudiced and brainwashed and incapable of processing information without having some US propaganda tell you what to think that it means. And RT is obviously doing a better job at presenting honest information than wherever you've been getting your information from.



Now, RT isn't state-controlled or owned. But it is state-funded. Similarly, many of the most popular Western news outlets are state-funded, and many of them are further state-owned and state-controlled.

State-sponsored Western news outlets include: BBC, CBC, Euro News, RFE / RL, Voice of America, NPR, PBS, CNN, Washington Post, France 24, Deutsche Well...

So, unless you're a person who thinks that a lie and the truth are equal, which would make you a sociopath, you should avoid saying things that are definitively false.



I've proved that Russia didn't invade Crimea from many different angles. And indeed, all angles show the same thing: That Russia didn't invade Crimea, or the Ukraine that had its constitution nullified before Russia did anything in response to the US-sponsored coup in Kiev:


- To Invade means to enter into as a hostile force. Russia didn't enter militarily into Crimea, because Russia was already in Crimea militarily in large-scale and had been ever since the dissolution of the USSR. Russia was allowed to have up to 25,000 of their troops on the Crimean peninsula when the US-sponsored coup in Kiev took off. So, Russia literally didn't invade anything. When you claim otherwise, you're just sometime in denial of reality and embarrassingly stamping their foot and whining like a baby who wants things to be as they say regardless of how different from what you say they actually are.

- Russia's presence in Crimea wasn't hostile to the region, it was protective. Only 7 people died in the process of Crimea's referendum and accession to Russia. 1 was a pro-Ukraine protester, 2 were Ukrainian service personnel, 3 were pro-Russia protesters, and 1 was a Russian service personnel. If Russia hadn't been present in Crimea and used its presence to secure the region, Crimea would have been invaded and attacked by West Ukraine just like regions in East Ukraine have been.



And here's another item of proof that Russia didn't invade Crimea:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-force-to-save-ukraine-idUSBREA2224720140304

https://russia-insider.com/en/polit...y-proves-russia-did-not-invade-crimea/ri18699

Yanukovych, the last-acting head of state for former Ukraine before its constitution was nullified and that Ukraine ceased to be a state with any territories to it, formally requested Russia to enter militarily into Ukraine to stop the coup. Russia didn't do that. However, if Russia had, and even if Russia had gone all the way to Kiev to do it, it would not have been an invasion because the person with the power to authorize it did so.


No matter which angle you want to look at things from, Russia didn't invade Crimea or Ukraine in 2014. And when you say they did after being shown the proof, you are being a liar.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
Haha, no. On all counts. And when you make a goofy post like that, I don't think you're a person that sees clearly and isn't likely to respond to reason. I think you're prejudiced and brainwashed and incapable of processing information without having some US propaganda tell you what to think that it means. And RT is obviously doing a better job at presenting honest information than wherever you've been getting your information from.



Now, RT isn't state-controlled or owned. But it is state-funded. Similarly, many of the most popular Western news outlets are state-funded, and many of them are further state-owned and state-controlled.

State-sponsored Western news outlets include: BBC, CBC, Euro News, RFL / RE, Voice of America, NPR, CNN, Washington Post, France 24, Deutsche Well...

So, unless you're a person who thinks that a lie and the truth are equal, which would make you a sociopath, you should avoid saying things that are definitively false.



I've proved that Russia didn't invade Crimea from many different angles. And indeed, all angles show the same thing: That Russia didn't invade Crimea, or the Ukraine that had its constitution nullified before Russia did anything in response to the US-sponsored coup in Kiev:


- To Invade means to enter into as a hostile force. Russia didn't enter militarily into Crimea, because Russia was already in Crimea militarily in large-scale and had been ever since the dissolution of the USSR. Russia was allowed to have up to 25,000 of their troops on the Crimean peninsula when the US-sponsored coup in Kiev took off. So, Russia literally didn't invade anything. When you claim otherwise, you're just sometime in denial of reality and embarrassingly stamping their foot and whining like a baby who wants things to be as they say they are no matter what.

- Russia's presence in Crimea wasn't hostile to the region, it was protective. Only 7 people died in the process of Crimea's referendum and accession to Russia. 1 was a pro-Ukraine protester, 2 were Ukrainian service personnel, 3 were pro-Russia protesters, and 1 was a Russian . If Russia hadn't been present in Crimea and used its presence to secure the region, Crimea would have been invaded and attacked by West Ukraine just like regions in East Ukraine have been.



And here's another item of proof that Russia didn't invade Crimea:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-force-to-save-ukraine-idUSBREA2224720140304

https://russia-insider.com/en/polit...y-proves-russia-did-not-invade-crimea/ri18699

Yanukovych, the last-acting head of state for former Ukraine before its constitution was nullified and that Ukraine ceased to be a state with any territories to it, formally requested Russia to enter militarily into Ukraine to stop the coup. Russia didn't do that. However, if Russia had, and even if Russia had gone all the way to Kiev to do it, it would not have been an invasion because the person with the power to authorize it did so.


No matter which angle you want to look at things from, Russia didn't invade Crimea or Ukraine in 2014. And when you say they did after being shown the proof, you are being a liar.
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None of those outlets you mentioned are state sponsored/controlled. Show some proof of their sponsorship. Oh and nice job contradicting yourself "RT isnt state controlled or owned but they do pay for it!". Priceless.
 
kju1 said:
None of those outlets you mentioned are state sponsored/controlled. Show some proof of their sponsorship. Oh and nice job contradicting yourself "RT isnt state controlled or owned but they do pay for it!". Priceless.
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How could you be that oblivious? All of those outlets I mentioned are state-sponsored. And saying that an outlet isn't government controlled or owned but is government funded is not a contradiction. Do you need some help with English, maybe?

BTW, I also added PBS to the list of Western state-sponsored outlets.
 
Delicieuxz said:
How could you be that oblivious? All of those outlets I mentioned are state-sponsored. And saying that an outlet isn't government controlled or owned but is government funded is not a contradiction. Do you need some help with English, maybe?
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Ok I was giving you a chance to prove your claim and all you do is a personal attack? So not only do you have no proof (or you would have presented it) but you have just discredited yourself and your entire argument.

Anyone who reads CNN would laugh you out of a room if you told them it was controlled by the state. So again, show some verifiable proof that CNN is owned by or controlled by the state that ISNT conspiracy theory bullshit or STFU.
 
kju1 said:
Ok I was giving you a chance to prove your claim and all you do is a personal attack? So not only do you have no proof (or you would have presented it) but you have just discredited yourself and your entire argument.

Anyone who reads CNN would laugh you out of a room if you told them it was controlled by the state. So again, show some verifiable proof that CNN is owned by or controlled by the state that ISNT conspiracy theory bullshit or STFU.
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'You didn't do what I said so that means you're wrong'. That isn't how reality works. That is, however, how whining works.

Even if I don't walk you through this topic, which I could easily do, I am still correct in mentioning that all of those outlets I listed above are state-sponsored.


CNN and the business of state-sponsored TV news


BBC, CBC, Euro News, RFE / RL, Voice of America, NPR, PBS, CNN, Washington Post, France 24, Deutsche Well are all state-sponsored news outlets, and many of them are fully state-owned and some, including the BBC, are state-controlled.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
How could you be that oblivious? All of those outlets I mentioned are state-sponsored. And saying that an outlet isn't government controlled or owned but is government funded is not a contradiction. Do you need some help with English, maybe?

BTW, I also added PBS to the list of Western state-sponsored outlets.
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You just come here to tell everyone they are wrong and you are right? You realize you aren't on reddit right? ]

Of course when you have an opinion on something and you search for things that support it you will find what you are looking for.

I can find lots of articles in support of a flat earth, doesn't make it true.

Instead of insulting others, maybe find out why they think differently, you might find out things that can weaken and strengthen your own opinions.

This is what it means to think for yourself. It is a healthy thing to do.
 
Darunion said:
You just come here to tell everyone they are wrong and you are right? You realize you aren't on reddit right? ]

Of course when you have an opinion on something and you search for things that support it you will find what you are looking for.

I can find lots of articles in support of a flat earth, doesn't make it true.

Instead of insulting others, maybe find out why they think differently, you might find out things that can weaken and strengthen your own opinions.

This is what it means to think for yourself. It is a healthy thing to do.
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I appreciate that perspective, and I agree with it. Despite some difficulty, I think that we had managed to pull that off after a couple of pages of discussion. Then Biznatch and kju1 came in and just took a shit on everything with flame-baiting posts. So, yeah, at that point I feel justified in plainly telling them they are wrong and I, or at least the information I have said, am / is correct.
 
Delicieuxz said:
I appreciate that perspective, and I agree with it. Despite some difficulty, I think that we had managed to pull that off after a couple of pages of discussion. Then Biznatch and kju1 came in and just took a shit on everything with flame-baiting posts. So, yeah, at that point I feel justified in plainly telling them they are wrong and I, or at least the information I have said, am / is correct.
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I fail to see how you won, it was more a agree to disagree from looking at the thread. You can't just claim victory when the other side didn't surrender, instead just walked away because they got tired of beating their head against a brick wall.
 
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Aireoth said:
I fail to see how you won, it was more a agree to disagree from looking at the thread. You can't just claim victory when the other side didn't surrender, instead just walked away because they got tired of beating their head against a brick wall.
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And where did you read something about winning - which is a primitive goal to have in a discussion? Even though the information I've given stands, what I said we did is that after two pages of discussion "we" (notice I didn't say I) achieved this:


"Instead of insulting others, maybe find out why they think differently, you might find out things that can weaken and strengthen your own opinions."


And then Biznatch and kju1 came in and took things down a couple of levels.
 
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Delicieuxz said:
And where did you read something about winning? What I said we did is that after two pages of discussion "we" (notice I didn't say I) achieved this:


"Instead of insulting others, maybe find out why they think differently, you might find out things that can weaken and strengthen your own opinions."
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But you are not correct, nor is your information. It can be summed up as 'your msm is wrong, my state owned msm is right.'

what you said was 'So, yeah, at that point I feel justified in plainly telling them they are wrong and I, or at least the information I have said, am / is correct.'
 
Aireoth said:
But you are not correct, nor is your information. It can be summed up as 'your msm is wrong, my state owned msm is right.'

what you said was 'So, yeah, at that point I feel justified in plainly telling them they are wrong and I, or at least the information I have said, am / is correct.'
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But my information is correct - in the same way that 2 + 2 = 4, Russia did not invade Crimea or the former state known as Ukraine in 2014, and those Western news outlets I listed are state-sponsored. These things aren't up to opinion.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

So, what I responded to Biznatch and kju1 with in recent posts is entirely correct, being the truth according to the English language and reality as it has occurred. If I claimed differently, then what I said would be incorrect.

You can refuse to accept what I said in those posts, though it isn't advisable, but that will only make your position wrong.


What you're responding with amounts to a vain 'no' because you don't like the truth.
 
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Etherton said:
This CFO was the founders daughter.

Meng Wanzhou, also known as Sabrina Meng and Cathy Meng, was apprehended in Vancouver on December 1, according to Canadian Justice Department spokesman Ian McLeod. In addition to her role as CFO, Meng serves as deputy chairwoman of Huawei's board. She's the daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei.​
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Was? Did we pass a death sentence and kill her off?

Etherton said:
Hey smart-ass, washedness is a made up word. ;)
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Every word is a made up word.
 
ChoGGi said:
Was?
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Used correctly in our exchange.

ChoGGi said:
Every word is a made up word.
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Delicieuxz said:
But my information is correct - in the same way that 2 + 2 = 4, Russia did not invade Crimea or the former state known as Ukraine in 2014, and those Western news outlets I listed are state-sponsored. These things aren't up to opinion.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

So, what I responded to Biznatch and kju1 with in recent posts is entirely correct, being the truth according to the English language and reality as it has occurred. If I claimed differently, then what I said would be incorrect.

You can refuse to accept what I said in those posts, though it isn't advisable, but that will only make your position wrong.


What you're responding with amounts to a vain 'no' because you don't like the truth.
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So RT is to be implicitly trusted as a directly funded entity of the Russian government?
 
Aireoth said:
So RT is to be implicitly trusted as a directly funded entity of the Russian government?
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Why would you think that? That doesn't apply to any news source.

kju1 said:
I wouldnt bother. My guess is he is trolling.
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Of course I'm not trolling. Everything that I've said is true. I think you're feeling a little sore.


gtrguy said:
Here's a pretty good read for anyone who's interested-

http://time.com/rt-putin/
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Sycraft said:
I'm sure the resident Russian shills will say it is invalid since it is western media :D.
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More significant than TIME being a Western news source (which isn't inherently bad), is that it's one of the many CIA-managed outlets.

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

"Bader began reviewing the 400‑some summaries again. His object was to select twenty‑five that, on the basis of the sketchy information they contained, seemed to represent a cross section. Dates of CIA activity, general descriptions of news organizations, types of journalists and undercover operations all figured in his calculations.

From the twenty‑five files he got back, according to Senate sources and CIA officials, an unavoidable conclusion emerged: that to a degree never widely suspected, the CIA in the 1950s, ‘60s and even early ‘70s had concentrated its relationships with journalists in the most prominent sectors of the American press corps, including four or five of the largest newspapers in the country, the broadcast networks and the two major newsweekly magazines. Despite the omission of names and affiliations from the twenty‑five detailed files each was between three and eleven inches thick), the information was usually sufficient to tentatively identify either the newsman, his affiliation or both—particularly because so many of them were prominent in the profession.

“There is quite an incredible spread of relationships,” Bader reported to the senators. “You don’t need to manipulate Time magazine, for example, because there are Agency people at the management level.”"


The New York Times and Washington Post are a couple of the others.
 
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