Next iPhone to have on-screen fingerprint reader?

Commander Shepard said:
According to this piece in Forbes, answer is yes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...i-11-release-date-price-face-id-touch-id/amp/
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I'll believe it when there's more than just an "Apple is considering it" from an unnamed supply chain report cited by Patently Apple. Despite what that Forbes writer says, Patently Apple is not a "reliable" source of rumors, because it hardly ever posts them and is not the direct author of this particular rumor.

Apple very rarely goes back on any design decision. There was the return to buttons on the iPod shuffle, the promised return to a modular design for the Mac Pro (though no guarantees it's a conventional tower), and... that's about all I can remember right now. Face ID is doing just fine, and I don't think Apple is going to drop it after a couple of generations when it's working -- not when it'd likely still need a notch on the iPhone regardless (for a camera, speaker, proximity sensor...). And on the iPad, I don't think there's much of a rush to slim the bezel even further.

The only way I could see Apple going that route is if it's completely satisfied with this solution (it's as fast as a conventional fingerprint reader, it works virtually anywhere on screen, it works in all conditions) and it has a way to reduce or eliminate the notch without compromising features or looking generic. And I'm not convinced it's there yet.
 
Do people really give a shit about such a thing in a device? Hrmmm... :yawn:
 
I’ve mentioned it a few times before but I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple implements an optional 2 factor authentication unlock combining FaceID and TouchID. Apple is huge on privacy and security so a two factor authentication method like this would be essentially impenetrable.

It’d most likely be completely unnecessary since Apple claims the chance of a random person unlocking your iPhone with FaceID is 1 in 1,000,000 (TouchID was 1 in 50,000). But it would drastically impact the chance of someone random accessing your iPhone to 1 in 50,000,000,000 if FaceID and TouchID were used together. And that’s a number Apple would love to spit out.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Apple then allowed people to select either FaceID only, TouchID only, or FaceID + TouchID.
 
Tiberian said:
Do people really give a shit about such a thing in a device? Hrmmm... :yawn:
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Some do. However, I don't see Apple actually doing this. Having been using the OnePlus 6T with this tech, while it's neat it is also totally subpar to the current tech. It's slow and inaccurate honestly speaking. I'm about to disable it because it's pretty worthless. I've done my finger multiple times now to try to get it be more accurate but it just isn't changing. I'll probably give it one more shot with re-doing my finger but if that fails again it'll be disabled.
 
My next phone will need to have this feature as I need fingerprint sensor on the front and I doubt they make any new phones anymore with fingerprint scanner on the bottom like my current Samsung S7 as the screen to body ratio race is on.

Face unlock + under the hud fingerprint scanner gets you covered nicely if you're the lazy convenient guy like me, face unlock for whenever you pick it up and fingerprint unlock for when phone is lying on the table as well as mobile bank app login.
 
I’d make it my next iPhone if that’s true. I could finally use an upgrade to my 7+, even though it’s handling everything that is thrown its way.
 
A good, quick and reliable fingerprint scanner would give me cause to consider going back to an iPhone. I tried the 6T. Its on-screen scanner is a decent first step, but needs a lot of improvement. Maybe Apple can do it.
 
Vermillion said:
Some do. However, I don't see Apple actually doing this. Having been using the OnePlus 6T with this tech, while it's neat it is also totally subpar to the current tech. It's slow and inaccurate honestly speaking. I'm about to disable it because it's pretty worthless. I've done my finger multiple times now to try to get it be more accurate but it just isn't changing. I'll probably give it one more shot with re-doing my finger but if that fails again it'll be disabled.
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Pretty sure Apple’s implementation would be superior as they have pretty high expectations on how tech should work. If it doesn’t live up to expectations then they won’t put it in.
 
exlink said:
Pretty sure Apple’s implementation would be superior as they have pretty high expectations on how tech should work. If it doesn’t live up to expectations then they won’t put it in.
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And that's what I said...

The tech just isn't there yet in my opinion for Apple to include it.
 
Vermillion said:
And that's what I said...

The tech just isn't there yet in my opinion for Apple to include it.
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I disagree. The OnePlus 6T uses an optical fingerprint sensor which is subpar - but what would you expect out of a $500 flagship phone?

The latest ultrasonic fingerprint scanners developed by Qualcomm are apparently more accurate as it maps your fingerprint in 3D opposed to an optical scanner's 2D. Its also rumored to be quicker, and does not require the screen to light up to max brightness around your finger during the scan. They're rumored to be used in the upcoming Galaxy S10 so depending on how that turns out I think we will be able to determine the state of in-display fingerprint scanners then.
 
I've never seen any reason for it, personally, as the fingerprint reader on the back is already very convenient.
 
I hear that the reason why ultrasonic fingerprint readers hasn't reached mass adoption yet is because the technology wasn't ready. It was slow due to processing speed, and that it also didn't work all that well with screen protectors if at all. Qualcomm just made the announcement with SD 855 and its new "3D fingerprint sensor." The new fingerprint sensor is finally good enough that Samsung is adding it to the GS10 (I hope it's not GSX). I'm thinking that the new performance core of the SD855 is finally fast enough.
 
kirbyrj said:
I've never seen any reason for it, personally, as the fingerprint reader on the back is already very convenient.
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In my opinion the best place for the fingerprint scanner was always on the front. Without a case on my Essential phone I partially touch or completely miss the fingerprint sensor on the back very often.
 
I doubt you'll see a in screen fingerprint scanner in the 2019 iPhone's.

Apple is never first or even second on new tech. They rather wait for the bugs to be ironed out, then you'll maybe see it in the 2020 phones.
 
Zorachus said:
I doubt you'll see a in screen fingerprint scanner in the 2019 iPhone's.

Apple is never first or even second on new tech. They rather wait for the bugs to be ironed out, then you'll maybe see it in the 2020 phones.
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Well, the bigger question is whether or not Apple will even look at it in the first place. The company rarely reverses decisions and often declares that there's One True Way to do things instead of throwing in multiple options. Personally, I picture Apple sticking to Face ID unless there are serious technical obstacles or it finds something else that's fundamentally better.
 
Qualcomm currently has the most promising in-display fingerprint sensor tech (ultrasonic). They currently do not like Apple in the slightest since their proprietary and confidential modem tech was apparently handed to Intel on a silver platter. So the chance of their promising in-display fingerprint sensor tech coming to an iPhone anytime soon is slim to none.
 
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Fingerprint scanner on the back allows all kinds of fancy gestures like hiding/showing the drop down bar. It's also a button on my Honor 8. On screen it would not be as useful.
 
Holy balls, Forbes seems to come out with a new iPhone article literally every day. I constantly see them in my Google News feed, but got tired of clicking on them, as 98% of them are just all speculative and made up shit. Zorachus could easily work there since that's half of what he likes to do. :p
 
Hopefully Samsung will add it to its new flasgship line GSX, sensor on the back is really awful.
 
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