Can your xeon x56xx simulate a p4 2,4 ghz safely?

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Chrisx5690

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Hey,

This is a question that popped into my mind when i was exploring other bios options. I got there because of the game spellforce 2 anniversary edition. This game asks of your cpu that it atleast runs on 2,4 ghz. I could confirm this with increasing the base clock of 2,1 ghz on the xeon x5650 to 2,5 ghz. Only when this happens i can play the game with a fluent gamemotion. Then i noticed the double core requirement and ofcourse i tried to simulate this too. Long story short... 2 cores 4 treads is a like a ride on a speed bike over a rocky street, 3 cores 6 treads seem to do the trick. I was wondering if those settings could react in a funny way with the cpu.. it is a 6 core so maybe straining ' one side ' of the cpu can lead or atleast increase the possibility of all kinds of things that go wrong and that you would like to avoid.

if anyone would know the answer to this question i would be much obliged

sincerely

Chris
 
I'm lost. The X5650 runs at 2.6 ghz normally and will boost to 3.06 ghz and is 6 core 12 thread. It is more than Spellforce 2 requires by far. I think you have hyperthreading enabled which can mess with some older games and some wack bios settings are adding the issue

As long as your video card matches up to at least a GTX 8800 then you should have playable framerates. Sounds like your video card might be lacking and you don't list it.. If you need a video card to play that game, a Radeon 4850 will do the trick and you can find them dirt cheap.
 
Hello Matt... thats right about how i felt too. Yes the xeon runs between 2,66 ghz and 3,1 ghz and yes the stock core is actually 2,1 ghz and no, the buggy zooming and shocking play has nothing to do with a video card since i used both a 1050Ti and a 1060 3gb to try and run the game which literally didn't solve anything... The only way i got it to work was to increase the lowest running value of my machine up to 2,5 ghz and again no that was, as far as i can see , not the problem of crappy bios settings and certainly when games like Simcity 2013 , Order of Battle and Cyberforce actually work quite nice
 
Yikes...simulating a 2.4Ghz P4 with a Xeon X5650? That's setting the bar pretty low. Just shooting from the hip the best you could do to match that abysmal level of performance is to disable every core but 1, leave hyper threading on, and underclock your X5650 to about 800Mhz.
 
The fact that it defaulted to 2.1GHz means that something is wrong, and whatever that something is probably also causes your game to perform poorly.
 
FlawleZ said:
Yikes...simulating a 2.4Ghz P4 with a Xeon X5650? That's setting the bar pretty low. Just shooting from the hip the best you could do to match that abysmal level of performance is to disable every core but 1, leave hyper threading on, and underclock your X5650 to about 800Mhz.
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Well thank you Flawlez.. i might consider that when i play one of my 1999 games :)
 
bwang said:
The fact that it defaulted to 2.1GHz means that something is wrong, and whatever that something is probably also causes your game to perform poorly.
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I'm not sure if i understand you correctly. Where do you get the notion that it defaulted to 2,1 Ghz
 
Ah yea with that i mean the base frequency as is stated by intel... The base frequency for a i9 9900k for example is 3,5 ghz ... running values are different because then you work from the multiplier... I believe that wicked i9 9900k has a operating range from 3 to 5 ghz
 
Chrisx5690 said:
Ah yea with that i mean the base frequency as is stated by intel... The base frequency for a i9 9900k for example is 3,5 ghz ... running values are different because then you work from the multiplier... I believe that wicked i9 9900k has a operating range from 3 to 5 ghz
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The base frequency for an x5650 is 2.66 GHz; this means the user is guaranteed 20x on all cores under any load condition. The *idle* frequency is much lower (on modern CPU's, 800 MHz) - this means a combination of the OS and firmware are allowed to select lower frequencies if the CPU is not under 100% load.
 
Chrisx5690 said:
Ah yea with that i mean the base frequency as is stated by intel... The base frequency for a i9 9900k for example is 3,5 ghz ... running values are different because then you work from the multiplier... I believe that wicked i9 9900k has a operating range from 3 to 5 ghz
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like bwang said earlier your Xeon has base frequency at 2.6ghz
https://ark.intel.com/products/4792...X5650-12M-Cache-2-66-GHz-6-40-GT-s-Intel-QPI-

If its running at 2.1 something appears to be wrong.
 
no no i never said it was running on 2,1 ghz .. i was working with different information but yea exaclty.... to be more precise x20 would be 2,8 ghz anyway .. that wasn't my concern here... i asked a question about stressing cpu's and not about running values... You guy(s) are right with your correction but that still leaves open ...
A i never stated it was running on 2,1 ghz
B you guys missed the question entirely. if you don't have the answer don't react plz
 
Chrisx5690 said:
no no i never said it was running on 2,1 ghz .. i was working with different information but yea exaclty.... to be more precise x20 would be 2,8 ghz anyway .. that wasn't my concern here... i asked a question about stressing cpu's and not about running values... You guy(s) are right with your correction but that still leaves open ...
A i never stated it was running on 2,1 ghz
B you guys missed the question entirely. if you don't have the answer don't react plz
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No, we're saying that an X5650 at 800Mhz is probably faster than a 2.4GHz P4; if gameplay is not fluid, its either a bug in the game or a firmware issue with your computer, and if your CPU had defaulted to 2.1GHz, it would likely be a firmware issue.
 
To be clear : the game requirements are a cpu that runs on 2,4 ghz, i can run that game if i use a BCLK of 200 which gives me an idle load of 2,4 ghz and a max load of 4,3 ghz when i enable ratio x22
Thank you for telling me that an x5650 at 800 mhz is prob faster then a P4 ... from that statement i have a couple of question like : would my cpu consume less power when i disable 4 cores or " are xeons that run without all cores more prone to errors
 
If you are worried about "those settings could react in a funny way with the cpu.. it is a 6 core so maybe straining ' one side ' of the cpu can lead or atleast increase the possibility of all kinds of things that go wrong and that you would like to avoid," you can assign cores as you wish via CPU core affinity within Windows (Task Manager, right click application, click Go To Details), but Windows does a really good job of taking care of that stuff.

As has been mentioned several times above, the clock speed of your CPU should be 2.67 or so, but will be much lower in an idle situation. Looking up specs, I can't imagine that your X5650 would have any problems running that game with only two cores enabled, much less all of them.

FWIW, the X5650 is generally a damn good overclocker with a decent mobo. 4Ghz plus on all cores should be relatively easy. You will have all the overhead you need that way :)
 
for the question regarding safety limits and cpu's i decided to resort to intel's own forum.. the answer will be relayed back to this post...

concerning the 4 ghz .. i can't even imagine a program that needs me to go up that high... i have found it multiple times confirmed that your operating costs of your machine double at 4 ghz and double again for 5.. with our electric prices i'm better off with either getting a x5690 which is only two steps away from 4 or get meself a brandnew shiny cpu so all in all i see really no day to day needs to go that high... Maybe for total war warhammer 2 now i think of it but thats not a game i'm playing a lot atm
 
An X5690 and an X5650 are essentially identical minus binning. If you have a motherboard that can overclock you can pretty safely bump the X5650 to X5690 specs
 
oh yea that's easily reached... My favourite gaming stance for now seems to be bclk at 200 and ratio x16 ... then i create an operating range between 2,4 and 3,6 ghz ... i think it would be just as expensive as x90.... I'm ordering one tomorrow.. found a dealer from china on alie express who offers refurbished x90's for 50 dollar a piece.. even with a year of warranty ... best i can find in my own country is 160 euro's ... also found a couple ranging between 2 and 10.000 euro's .. i'm not sure which model that is supposed to be but i'm guessing either from the science sector or the militairy ... the speed gain is almost neglible but i do wonder about how everything else will react... if i work from this list i can get my xeon's easily in the top 50 without to much of a hassle

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-X5690-vs-Intel-Xeon-X5650/m16752vsm355
 
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