I'm willing to give Linux Gaming a try

ChadD said:
This is true I have a client/friend who has been trying to use some Line6 audio gear with a windows 10 machine. Stupid thing is constantly freezing audio sound system for no seeming reason. After a few weeks he gave up and plugged it all into his mac. lol

I agree though ya this sound issue is odd. Sounds like his card is perfectly supported by the kernel... its some strange interaction with something he is running.
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We have a Windows 10 PC here that 'constantly' looses the Mic, even rebooting the machine doesn't rectify the issue. The only way to resolve it is to physically unplug and replug the mic, go through the process for Realtek sound to recognize it again and then it works...

It's done it for as long as we've had this PC from brand new, nothing I do rectifies it.
 
ChadD said:
This is true I have a client/friend who has been trying to use some Line6 audio gear with a windows 10 machine. Stupid thing is constantly freezing audio sound system for no seeming reason. After a few weeks he gave up and plugged it all into his mac. lol

I agree though ya this sound issue is odd. Sounds like his card is perfectly supported by the kernel... its some strange interaction with something he is running.
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I had the same experience. A couple of weeks ago I was doing acoustic measurements with my associates Win10 laptop and I couldn't believe how badly it worked. I had to plug/unplug and reboot the DSP gear many times that evening. I never had to do that in all the months I've done it using my Macbook pro.

Not only the Windows software seemed to malfunction but it messed up the actual DSP hardware badly enough that it had to be restarted. I could see nice things as java running on background and weird hardware scanning applets... It would be a nightmare to work like that regularly.
 
Back on topic, Windows bashers!

I found the DE I like: MATE. And with Manjaro not providing signed .ISOs that will boot into secure boot and with Ubuntu proclaiming extended LTS support, I figure Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1 is going to be my mobile Linux install. We're just going to have to get it working.

One note: I'll need something other than Bitlocker for the Windows partition, hopefully something cross-platform that I can use for both operating systems. I had the idea that decrypting the OS partition, resizing it, installing Ubuntu, booting back in to Windows, and then encrypting it again would make it happy, but no, it still wants the Bitlocker key because 'something changed'. I wouldn't mind the overzealous security if there was a way to register said change. Ah well.

On to the last problem: installing PlayonLinux (no Lutris available here?) has the same 'global muting' effect. Sound can be monitored on the software levels, Spotify, Netflix etc., but the speakers remain silent.

Where do we start to dig into the audio path to see what might be going on here?
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Back on topic, Windows bashers!

I found the DE I like: MATE. And with Manjaro not providing signed .ISOs that will boot into secure boot and with Ubuntu proclaiming extended LTS support, I figure Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1 is going to be my mobile Linux install. We're just going to have to get it working.

One note: I'll need something other than Bitlocker for the Windows partition, hopefully something cross-platform that I can use for both operating systems. I had the idea that decrypting the OS partition, resizing it, installing Ubuntu, booting back in to Windows, and then encrypting it again would make it happy, but no, it still wants the Bitlocker key because 'something changed'. I wouldn't mind the overzealous security if there was a way to register said change. Ah well.

On to the last problem: installing PlayonLinux (no Lutris available here?) has the same 'global muting' effect. Sound can be monitored on the software levels, Spotify, Netflix etc., but the speakers remain silent.

Where do we start to dig into the audio path to see what might be going on here?
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Ubuntu Mate is great, I use it myself.

This audio issue if yours is really weird and obviously something to do with your hardware configuration as I've never heard of it before. What happens if you add your user to the audio group?


Open terminal and enter 'sudo addgroup <username> audio'

Naturally don't enter the quotes, substitute <username> for your actual username. After doing so, log out and back in again to see if it worked.
 
I play older WoW on private servers, and I have the weird issue that Classic WoW has no audio, but WotLK has.

Fedora 29 XFCE.

Did anyone ever stumble upon something like that?

By the way, I've seen people here try all sorts of distros. I started with Slackware back in 199whatever. Then went through lots, but recently I noticed a pattern of always coming back to Fedora XFCE. If you're feeling adventurous, give it a shot!
 
My advice is to avoid switching distro's entirely until you work out exactly what this very obscure issue is. ;)
 
I think it might have been Wine-tricks.

My only evidence is that I reinstalled (a second time...), and currently have sound in Ubuntu MATE, with the real difference being that I installed Wine, Lutris, and then League, but not Wine-tricks.

Of course, I'm back to rather abysmal performance again...
 
Mazzspeed said:
My advice is to avoid switching distro's entirely until you work out exactly what this very obscure issue is. ;)
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Naah that's the fun with linux. Start off as a noob, run into a problem, then switch to another distro that works totally differently and run into another problem. You'll have dozens of distros to switch to and the problems will never end!

How boring it would be to stick to one and solve that original problem.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I think it might have been Wine-tricks.

My only evidence is that I reinstalled (a second time...), and currently have sound in Ubuntu MATE, with the real difference being that I installed Wine, Lutris, and then League, but not Wine-tricks.

Of course, I'm back to rather abysmal performance again...
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I have never used wine tricks or lutris for that matter. I prefer to always know what the heck is going on.

I don't play LOL. From what I understand in the past they have been ban happy with people running Linux cause their anti cheat has given them false positives.

Having said that... I would dump the stupid front end stuff.

I would simple install the latest wine.

Create a prefix and open winecfg;
WINEPREFIX=~/.lol64 winecfg

I assume setting it to the newest version of windows would be fine... but try windows 8 / 7 sometimes it helps. Make sure its set to capture full screen mouse ect.

Download and Install league to your prefix
WINEPREFIX=~/.lol64 wine ~/Downloads/installer.ext

Its my understanding LOL has a OpenGL path you can switch to with a LOL config change... I would assume running opengl things should work reasonably well. Without the need for any silly wine trick junk. There use to be more of a need for winetrick stuff I guess with people installing a bunch of windows redistributables ect... ime that isn't all that needed anymore, as the wine guys seem to have most of the major stuff nailed down just fine.

If you do have to run DX9 wines dx9 is pretty mature without any messing with it. I haven't really looked at any of the DX9->vulkan projects lately but I guess you could look into that. But again I would install anything like that by hand to your wine prefix. My biggest grip with things like Lutris, playon and wine tricks is how they tend to run user created scripts for games and end/new linux users have mostly no idea what it is they are doing. Leads to lots of silly issues. imo Wine isn't that hard to use without the stupid front ends.

In LOLs case I guess it sucks it doesn't just use DX 10 or 11... then you could easily install DXVK to your prefix. I haven't ever touched VK9 but I understand its not at the same level as DXVK proper.
 
Criticizing Wine-tricks aside- lost audio on reboot.

Fun part? I get it right after I suspend with audio playing (lower the laptop lid) and then log back in. After logging in, it starts playing sound, then seems to drop to mono (or some other degradation), then I lose it completely.
 
ChadD said:
I have never used wine tricks or lutris for that matter. I prefer to always know what the heck is going on.

I don't play LOL.
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Well, not playing LoL, I wouldn't use it either. Never would have heard of it; it's not even available in the Ubuntu repositories (but is in the Manjaro ones). Have to add all that manually.

However, LoL isn't a simple thing. It's listed among the hardest. However, as I've played about a dozen matches on Linux while trying to get it working well, it's obviously possible.
 
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IdiotInCharge said:
Criticizing Wine-tricks aside- lost audio on reboot.

Fun part? I get it right after I suspend with audio playing (lower the laptop lid) and then log back in. After logging in, it starts playing sound, then seems to drop to mono (or some other degradation), then I lose it completely.
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Does it come back if you kill and restart pulse ?

Just run
pulseaudio -k

puslseaudio --check
might give you a bit more info.
 
Done now and before, zero effect since Pulseaudio is running great. Just not out of the speakers.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Well, not playing LoL, I wouldn't use it either. Never would have heard of it; it's not even available in the Ubuntu repositories (but is in the Manjaro ones). Have to add all that manually.

However, LoL isn't a simple thing. It's listed among the hardest. However, as I've played about a dozen matches on Linux while trying to get it working well, it's obviously possible.
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ya I just did a bit of reading. Seems like their anti cheat is a bear or something... its a simple dx9 game it shouldn't be as hard as it seems to be.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Done now and before, zero effect since Pulseaudio is running great. Just not out of the speakers.
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Is it switching your audio to HDMI or something silly ? I read something about ubuntu switching sound devices on suspend a while back. Can't remember what the fix was. I assume disabling the output you don't want it to use in /etc/pulse/default.pa would do the trick if that is the issue.
 
Another silly question... are you just running default setup. Or have you installed any other audio things like Jack ect.
 
ChadD said:
Another silly question... are you just running default setup. Or have you installed any other audio things like Jack ect.
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Nada.

Really wish I could pin-point exactly what's going on; it's hard enough to zero it in with the massive fragmentation here.

Best information I can find is all just barely scratching the surface, and it all seems to depend on the system working as intended. It isn't!
 
ChadD said:
Is it switching your audio to HDMI or something silly ? I read something about ubuntu switching sound devices on suspend a while back. Can't remember what the fix was. I assume disabling the output you don't want it to use in /etc/pulse/default.pa would do the trick if that is the issue.
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I've done this with Alsamixer- there are four HDMI outputs, which I disabled. there's also a headphone function and auto switch function, tried disabling those too.

As far as default.pa, I don't see any named devices listed, all autodetect stuff...
 
Something I want to throw out: my frustration with this as expressed on previous pages isn't just the challenge of getting this working; it's that there is basically zero information on an effective 'undo' other than wiping the partition and reinstalling.

Like, where are the real knobs and levers for this shit?!?
 
I've been a long time Linux user. Since ~2001 it's been my primary OS.

In that time I have seen gaming on Linux improve, but I'd still consider it to be more of a pain in the ass than it is worth. I have just maintained a separate Windows 10 boot dedicated strictly to games. This has had the added benefit of being able to keep a very minimalist and streamlined Windows 10 install dedicated to games, while doing everything else in Linux.

When my stepson was younger he was mostly interested in Minecraft and Nintendo emulators. For that Linux did great. As he got a little older he started getting interest in other titles. At first I started with ones that had native Linux ports. These were OK, but even the native ports most titles ran worse than under windows, and had worse graphics. Linux mouse feel was also worse than under Windows in FPS titles. In native games, I had the problem for a log time that all native Linux games would open on the wrong screen. Plenty of small annoying bugs like this.

Other titles required Wine, and wow what a shitshow that was. Pain in the ass to set up, piss poor performance, and bugginess like you would not believe. I have read it has become better, especially with the advent of the DXVA translation layer allowing DX calls to be translated to Vulcan calls. All of this just left such a bad taste in my mouth that eventually I just got tired of fighting with it, and set up my stepson with Windows. I still dual boot to Windows for games on my rig.
 
Doubt this will help with the sound issues, but I had a similar problem where sound stopped working. Seems I had clicked digital audio device listing on the settings page and didn't realize I had actually switched my output device, as there wasn't any "use this?" dialog. When I clicked the correct audio output device, sound started working again.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
In that time I have seen gaming on Linux improve, but I'd still consider it to be more of a pain in the ass than it is worth. I have just maintained a separate Windows 10 boot dedicated strictly to games. This has had the added benefit of being able to keep a very minimalist and streamlined Windows 10 install dedicated to games, while doing everything else in Linux.
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I stick to Steamplay/Proton these days. Things just work with absolutely no input on my behalf. If they don't work, give it time and eventually they're supported. In relation to native Linux titles, naturally they're no more difficult than Steam titles under Windows to install/run.

I love my downtime playing a good title, but gaming alone just isn't enough of a reason for me to support Microsoft when there's plenty to keep me entertained under Steam on Linux.

I just love it when the game says "Are you sure you want to exit to Windows". ;)
 
Mazzspeed said:
I just love it when the game says "Are you sure you want to exit to Windows". ;)
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We need vulkan to take off really, and even then probably only play single player or at least non competitive games. The publisher will see anti cheat as way more important than linux compatibility sadly for fortnite.

I had a look at that link which listed games and I was very positive at first thinking wow this is great bye bye windows, then game after game was coming up that is in my game library with silver or worse rating.

I have also thought about dual booting or playing in a VM (with passthru for GPU), but I often leave games running for days and so would still end up be using windows for very long periods of time.

Its a shame as windows really is a poor OS, its regressed in various ways, in certian areas such as security its always been poor tho. e.g. on linux you dont routinly do stuff like browsing as the root user, and by design software will typically only use root if it absolutely has to, plus on top of that you dont have executables routinly been run from data folders, especially places like /tmp. Windows has horrible security policies like the vulnerable wrappers such as svchost.exe, so e.g. if you allow svchost.exe in your firewall you also allowing any malware that imitates that process, it is not by design makeing writable folders not have exec permissions, and more issues on top of that.

I actually hate windows now but have to use it because of software I use.
 
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