Windows 10 Version 1809 Is Getting a Re-Release Today

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Delicieuxz said:
Does anyone know whether the issues mentioned on this Microsoft page are fixed in the re-release of 1809, so that if I perform a clean installation of LTSC 1809 all these things will already be fixed?:


https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ider-preview-build-17763/#4IhtZdljfs82VoqB.97

UPDATE 10/30: We have released the Windows 10 October 2018 Update Build 17763.107 (KB4464455) to Windows Insiders in the Slow and Release Preview rings. This Cumulative Update contains the same fixes as Build 17763.104 plus these two additional fixes:

We fixed the issue where dragging (extracting) files from a .zip file in File Explorer to a write-protected location you don’t get a “Do you want to replace these files” prompt and the copy action fails silently.
We fixed an issue causing roaming profiles to not work correctly.
UPDATE 10/16: We have released the Windows 10 October 2018 Update Build 17763.104 (KB4464455) to Windows Insiders in the Slow and Release Preview rings. This Cumulative Update contains the following fixes:

We have fixed the issue where the incorrect details were being shown in Task Manager under the “Processes” tab.
We fixed an issue where in certain cases IME would not work in the first process of a Microsoft Edge user session.
We fixed an issue where in some cases applications would become unresponsive after resuming from Connected Standby.
We fixed several issues causing application compatibility problems with 3rd-party antivirus and virtualization products.
We fixed several issues with driver compatibility.

The build watermark at the lower right-hand corner of the desktop is no longer present in this build. This doesn’t mean we’re done…
We fixed an issue where touching a Flash element in Microsoft Edge with two or more fingers could result in the tab crashing.
We fixed an issue where thumbnails and icons might not be rendered if there were any video files saved to the desktop.
We fixed an issue where certain Bluetooth audio devices wouldn’t play sound in apps that also used the microphone.
We fixed an issue resulting in an unexpectedly increased use of battery recently when using certain apps like OneNote.
We fixed an issue in PowerShell where it wasn’t displaying characters correctly in Japanese.
We fixed an issue resulting in display scaling factors not being applied correctly (so the UI was smaller than expected) when viewing a full screen remote desktop window on a monitor set to certain display scalings.
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I just checked the VLSC site for 2016 LTSB and it still hasn’t been updated there for 1809 yet so I don’t think so.
 
lol I like the argument that Linux takes more time to fix than Windows, talk about getting it ass backwards.

It's been my job to service Windows and Linux systems for over a decade now, and let me tell you, I spend a hell of a lot more time on Windows than Linux. Hex error codes you need to decrypt to actually identify the issue, slow as fuck updates (that often even fail to apply and roll back), and on and on and on. Windows is the hog for time there, not Linux.

Lakados said:
1 hour spent looking for a solution to a problem equates to ~ 4 hours of lost time and pay. That is almost the cost of a new system so you fail right there. If somebody needs to spend 1 hour researching a solution and 30 minutes implementing it you are already at 3 hours of lost man hours, that person who could have been working is now bothering coworkers slowing them down so you have at least an hour of lost productivity there. Free forum support is anything but free it is lazy.
2. Android, AMD, NVIDIA all have TERRIBLE Linux drivers, they lack many of the basic features found in their windows counterparts and the very forums you linked above highlight that in a huge number of places.
3. A browser is not an eco system, there are no good Linux based Project management suites, no accounting sets, no time management, open/libre office is passable but lacks the basic based business integration tools and features. Linux has done well for mass deployment but still doesn’t have anything close to the control windows has when trying to manage 500+ devices, and the ones that do exist are very expensive.
4. In 20 years of Windows enterprise management I have never had a windows update brick a system, I have had specific KB’s break specific software sets but that once discovered is a very easy fix. Linux suffers from this same issue as well it is universal which is why test deployment systems exist in the first place and why so many Linux/windows servers to this day will serve their entire lifecycle with out a single patch or update. Windows Enterprise & LTSB suites have been amongst the most stable OS’s I have ever managed to the point they are giving me time to look into the only viable Linux based deployment I am yet to come across. ChromeOS.
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BloodyIron said:
lol I like the argument that Linux takes more time to fix than Windows, talk about getting it ass backwards.

It's been my job to service Windows and Linux systems for over a decade now, and let me tell you, I spend a hell of a lot more time on Windows than Linux. Hex error codes you need to decrypt to actually identify the issue, slow as fuck updates (that often even fail to apply and roll back), and on and on and on. Windows is the hog for time there, not Linux.
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Linux Desktop has it's place. That said, an advocate such as yourself, at least on these here forums, is doing more to push folks away from it than anything the OS itself appears to ever could do.
 
ManofGod said:
Linux Desktop has it's place. That said, an advocate such as yourself, at least on these here forums, is doing more to push folks away from it than anything the OS itself appears to ever could do.
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Not pushing people away from it, just hard since it doesn't have the proprietary software that MS has. Also Ms is helping push 10 only stuff. The biggest thing pushing back Linux, seems to be MS?
 
Why does the Linux-people don't get that threads like this does not increase the Linux install base...infact quite the opposite happens...their hate/whining over Windows have an backlash effect...

I guess that is why Linux market share is so meager...the users put off new people.

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I guess I'm going to find out about 1809. W10 announced it's doing the update on my i6700k rig.

I would've liked to have had a vote on that decision.
 
Factum said:
Why does the Linux-people don't get that threads like this does not increase the Linux install base...infact quite the opposite happens...their hate/whining over Windows have an backlash effect...

I guess that is why Linux market share is so meager...the users put off new people.

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Linux people appear to be dense...
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It has the opposite effect? Please share your data?

I do think it is crappy mentioning Linux as well. Only because I would love to switch and it teases me.
 
c3k said:
I guess I'm going to find out about 1809. W10 announced it's doing the update on my i6700k rig.

I would've liked to have had a vote on that decision.
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I installed 1809 and so far it seems ok. I really only browse and play games with it, so have not tested much.
 
The thing pushing people away from Linux is Linux itself...

Options are good, free and open is good, but too much fragmentation isn't and there is a metric fuckton of fragmentation when you stray one inch outside of what a distro ships with.

About the only fragmentation with Windows 10 is Microsoft not letting me purchase and run LTSC at home...
 
BloodyIron said:
lol I like the argument that Linux takes more time to fix than Windows, talk about getting it ass backwards.

It's been my job to service Windows and Linux systems for over a decade now, and let me tell you, I spend a hell of a lot more time on Windows than Linux. Hex error codes you need to decrypt to actually identify the issue, slow as fuck updates (that often even fail to apply and roll back), and on and on and on. Windows is the hog for time there, not Linux.
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You will only convince the novice to try Linux. Most people know hardly any business apps work and no new games, and games in general are not very good on Linux. You could get many people to your side when lots of stuff works. It's been discussed for 20 or more years now, we are still waiting.
 
triwolf said:
You will only convince the novice to try Linux. Most people know hardly any business apps work and no new games, and games in general are not very good on Linux. You could get many people to your side when lots of stuff works. It's been discussed for 20 or more years now, we are still waiting.
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This. Put up or shut up already Linux.
 
I welcome you to actually watch the videos and see the positive comments people leave. I'm being told by many people to keep doing it and that I'm doing well. I know I can't please everyone, but there's many misconceptions around gaming on Linux simply because nobody actually knows how to represent what it's like. If when I explain it some people decide they don't like it, that's beyond my control and I can come to terms with that. But there are many people who actually are surprised that gaming runs so well on Linux and are getting it setup for themselves.

I don't need to please everyone, my goal is to educate those who have inaccurate misconceptions and demonstrate what it's really like (which takes time).

ManofGod said:
Linux Desktop has it's place. That said, an advocate such as yourself, at least on these here forums, is doing more to push folks away from it than anything the OS itself appears to ever could do.
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92% of AWS is Linux
50% of Azure is Linux
100% of HPC is Linux
NYSE is 100% Linux
Sorry what was that about "hardly any business apps" running on LInux? I bet you haven't even heard of SAP, Hadoop, Devops, Kubernetes, Business-class Java, etc...

As for gaming on Linux, have you even looked in the last year? Farcry 5 was playable on Linux on release thanks to DXVK, and Overwatch has FPS and rendering parity with Windows.

You're beautifully demonstrating, yet again, why I am here telling people about the current state of Linux, be it for gaming or otherwise. Because you're expressing the regular misconceptions around the whole thing.

triwolf said:
You will only convince the novice to try Linux. Most people know hardly any business apps work and no new games, and games in general are not very good on Linux. You could get many people to your side when lots of stuff works. It's been discussed for 20 or more years now, we are still waiting.
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NemesisX said:
It’s becoming nauseating to hear about Linux. People use the OS they use for a reason. It’s like when people keep telling macOS users they can get a cheaper Windows PC alternative which ... although true ... is irrelevant to them because the alternatives aren’t running macOS. Many of us have tried Linux ... many times ... and it doesn’t suit our needs. Whether it’s more stable is not the point.
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What is nauseating is hearing the same old FUD from 10years ago. When you come up with a new playbook then the discussions will change. Personally I don't give two hoots what you use, I am just here laughing at people defending MS behaviour all while it gets worse and worse and worse...
 
Lakados said:
1 hour spent looking for a solution to a problem equates to ~ 4 hours of lost time and pay. That is almost the cost of a new system so you fail right there. If somebody needs to spend 1 hour researching a solution and 30 minutes implementing it you are already at 3 hours of lost man hours, that person who could have been working is now bothering coworkers slowing them down so you have at least an hour of lost productivity there. Free forum support is anything but free it is lazy.
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Well, it's not like Windows doesn't have its own 4-hour search-for-a-solution marathons. And, as you can see, it's getting worse, as every six months a huge update comes and changes everything. Old workarounds are now obsolete, and new problems arise.

Lakados said:
2. Android, AMD, NVIDIA all have TERRIBLE Linux drivers, they lack many of the basic features found in their windows counterparts and the very forums you linked above highlight that in a huge number of places.
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That'll change in a heartbeat if something other than Windows gains traction.

Lakados said:
3. A browser is not an eco system, there are no good Linux based Project management suites, no accounting sets, no time management, open/libre office is passable but lacks the basic based business integration tools and features. Linux has done well for mass deployment but still doesn’t have anything close to the control windows has when trying to manage 500+ devices, and the ones that do exist are very expensive.
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That's all correct, sure. Still, see above and below.

Lakados said:
4. In 20 years of Windows enterprise management I have never had a windows update brick a system, I have had specific KB’s break specific software sets but that once discovered is a very easy fix. Linux suffers from this same issue as well it is universal which is why test deployment systems exist in the first place and why so many Linux/windows servers to this day will serve their entire lifecycle with out a single patch or update. Windows Enterprise & LTSB suites have been amongst the most stable OS’s I have ever managed to the point they are giving me time to look into the only viable Linux based deployment I am yet to come across. ChromeOS.
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The keyword being Enterprise. It seems you're playing with the big boys, good for you. Down here we deal with smaller businesses running 10 Pro OEM licenses most of the time, which means they're on the rat race along with the plebs. You have nowhere near as much control as you do with a Enterprise version. All hell is breaking loose right now.
 
pendragon1 said:
drop it already, you are NOT helping attract people to Linux by being overbearing and aggressive.
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You have one guy touting Linux and 2498249842 MS advocates. The guy gets a collective beating, yet keeps going. And now that's being overbearing and agressive. Seriously?
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Well, it's not like Windows doesn't have its own 4-hour search-for-a-solution marathons. And, as you can see, it's getting worse, as every six months a huge update comes and changes everything. Old workarounds are now obsolete, and new problems arise.



That'll change in a heartbeat if something other than Windows gains traction.



That's all correct, sure. Still, see above and below.



The keyword being Enterprise. It seems you're playing with the big boys, good for you. Down here we deal with smaller businesses running 10 Pro OEM licenses most of the time, which means they're on the rat race along with the plebs. You have nowhere near as much control as you do with a Enterprise version. All hell is breaking loose right now.
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Yeah I do not evny anybody playing with Home edition right now, even Pro is being a pain. In regards to the 4-hour search my point was more along the lines of the licensing cost if it takes you more than 15 min to troubleshoot and implement a solution for then you have already exceeded the cost of the license so Linux being free is a non factor. For drivers I agree again, but it is a chicken & egg problem, not many will develop pro tools for an environment with bad drivers but because there are so few many pro tools they are not investing in the drivers. My point with the ecosystem can be summed up as "IF you build it, they will come". Lastly Microsoft makes like 80% of their revinue from Enterprise so that is where they put the most resources and everything else is filtered down from there, they do have a few products that they have built from the home user and scaled up but they are few in number. Side note REHL is by far one of my favorite distro's I do have a few of them on the server side and their support options are great which really was the deciding factor in the end for which to go with.
 
Lakados said:
Yeah I do not evny anybody playing with Home edition right now, even Pro is being a pain. In regards to the 4-hour search my point was more along the lines of the licensing cost if it takes you more than 15 min to troubleshoot and implement a solution for then you have already exceeded the cost of the license so Linux being free is a non factor.
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Even for home users, the cost of Windows is mostly irrelevant and has been for quite a while. That doesn't always ring true for consumer use in third world countries, but in general, I agree that the biggest cost is support, not software. Windows techies are readily available, thus cheaper, in most places. Still, considering you can hire a reasonably skilled/priced Linux tech guy, I would argue many businesses would save money doing so and rolling Linux. The reason I say that is the sheer amount of troubleshooting Windows 10 requires especially with the biannual update thing. Here's where the costs are bigger in the first world, even though hardware is cheaper. I've seen quite a few perfectly good machines being outright replaced because an update wouldn't install. That works because IT labour is expensive, and hardware not so much in comparison. A third world country deal with the opposite scenario most of the time, hardware being a lot more expensive than labour. A tech will have a harder time telling people to just shell out cash for a new machine so often, and will have to dial up the tech skills to deal with Windows shenanigans. Those guys will get paid more because well, things are getting complicated, but right now it's just a nice skill to have to differentiate yourself in the marketplace. However, If Microsoft doesn't fix its QA, many companies (and users) will eventually notice that increasing support cost, be it in paying more for better techs or dealing with issues more often and/or with longer downtime or replacing machines that would be working fine if it weren't for some minor screw up.

That means the cost of supporting Windows outside of walled gardens that Microsoft caters to (i.e. bigger enterprises) is growing fast. In the meantime, many Linux distros are quite stable, and unless some specialized software is required, all the tools required are easily available to do the job.

Lakados said:
For drivers I agree again, but it is a chicken & egg problem, not many will develop pro tools for an environment with bad drivers but because there are so few many pro tools they are not investing in the drivers. My point with the ecosystem can be summed up as "IF you build it, they will come".
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That's correct. That said, the driver situation in Linux is vastly improved compared to my experience in previous years.

Lakados said:
Lastly Microsoft makes like 80% of their revinue from Enterprise so that is where they put the most resources and everything else is filtered down from there, they do have a few products that they have built from the home user and scaled up but they are few in number. Side note REHL is by far one of my favorite distro's I do have a few of them on the server side and their support options are great which really was the deciding factor in the end for which to go with.
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It used to be so, and that trickle-down dynamic worked quite well.

Now, it looks like there's no filter. The lower tier is basically getting software dumped on to. It's insane. You see bug reports going for months and nothing is done. Microsoft tech support officially advising people to do a clean install for things that were a 1 minute fix in Windows 7, even 8.

I honestly thought things would stop getting worse at the very least, but 1809 managed to be the worst I've seen so far.

In the meantime, many Linux communities are stepping up their game. Your example, RHEL, is a great one. It's not about throwing things at MS or just blindly cursing them, it's field experience full of early warnings that some things need to change if they want to keep Windows being #1. That happened before to be honest, and they stepped up their game with Windows 7. This time, however, it seems no matter how much noise users make, they just don't care. it's 2005 all over again, and they're monopoly blind, except that you have all conditions for it to not be a monopoly anymore. That may be exactly what they're getting ready for, but for us the plebs, the front line workers, it is wise to keep an eye on alternatives.
 
NemesisX said:
I don’t think anyone is defending Microsoft’s stupidity. But their stupidity isn’t going to make anyone switch to Linux if they’re dependent on Windows for their workflow, gaming, or whatever it is they use it for. I don’t see any FUD being spread. Linux has gotten better but it’s still not going to fit the needs of people just because some Linux folks want to paint an imaginary picture of it being well-supported when it still very much isn’t.
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Unfortunately this is true. Windows doing bad will not help Linux much. MS has made some stuff 10 only which stops Linux and the other apps that are Windows only.
For me, it's the games. Browsing you can use whatever OS you want.
 
NemesisX said:
I don’t think anyone is defending Microsoft’s stupidity. But their stupidity isn’t going to make anyone switch to Linux if they’re dependent on Windows for their workflow, gaming, or whatever it is they use it for. I don’t see any FUD being spread. Linux has gotten better but it’s still not going to fit the needs of people just because some Linux folks want to paint an imaginary picture of it being well-supported when it still very much isn’t.
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In my experience this is not entirely true. Linux is already up to the tasks of many environments. True, some workflows still require Windows, and that's that. But a good amount of businesses I work with could easily run Linux and do everything they need to, and in some cases it would be a lot better to do so. I don't see that happening right now because change is hard, and we get used to whatever it is that we do on a daily basis, so even minor changes in a workflow are a headache, even if it is only in the short term. However, if Microsoft keeps the fuckery over 9000, rest assured many people will start to think dealing with change is less painful than stay tied to Windows.

Personally, I don't see the demise of Windows as a good thing, because Linux needs competition too. So I honestly want it to get its act together, because it was when MS got confortable that Linux started gaining traction, but it was when MS decided to step up their game that Linux really improved. Competition never hurts anyone, and we should always welcome more ways to skin a particular cat. =D
 
Rizen said:
Running games through an additional interpretation layer is never going to be as reliable and fast as just running them in the native environment. There's enough problems in modern games with bugs, I don't want to introduce yet another variable for figuring out why something isn't working. Windows works just fine 99% of the time if you are just installing drivers + playing games, it's just not worth the effort unless you are a Linux fanatic.
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So you think running those titles under native Windows isn't as reliable or fast? Because that 'interpretation layer' consists of .DLL's that are very much present under Windows as well as Linux - Nothing communicates directly with the HAL unless it's malware, something that's also 'very' well supported under Windows.

Gamers....

Before mouthing off, please, get a clue. Notice I mentioned gamers in general, not targeting you directly. :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah ... gamers man. Those silly folks just want all their games to run natively on one platform. Bunch of idiots I tell ya.

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No, they want to sprout garbage and claim it's fact.

There is no more of a translation layer running Wine under Linux than there is under Windows, Wine is mostly reverse engineered DLL's. This idea that the average gamer simply must run every game released for PC is simply ridiculous. As it is, there is more titles available for Linux than Xbox and PS4 combined - Even if half of those titles were complete crap, which they are not, there would still be more titles available than either Xbox or PS4.

Opinion on what is the better platform aside, very few people will go as far as to claim that console gamers are not true 'gamers'. The exact same holds true for Linux.
 
NemesisX said:
Why are you so offended that people prefer Windows for games? You're making this emotional when in reality games simply run better on Windows than in Linux due to better driver support and the fact that Linux optimization for games is not a priority because it's only on ≤ 2% of computers. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. In a world where PC gamers want to eek out every frame they can from a game and spend thousands on hardware to do just that, Linux is never going to be an option until Linux receives the same kind of frequent and current support that Windows gets from hardware manufacturers. Also, the problems ailing Windows are blown so way out of proportion as to be comical and are generally a non-issue for competent PC users, which comprises most (if not all) the [H] community. Treating people like they're ignorant or stupid because they don't have your passion for Linux is incredibly unhelpful. Linux is getting better all the time, but for many here it simply just isn't there yet for our needs. And for some it may never get there. I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape because others simply don't want to use Linux as their main OS. Your last line has nothing to do with anything. Nobody is saying someone that only games on Linux isn't a true gamer. Or someone that only games on consoles isn't a true gamer. That sounds like elementary school nonsense. The only argument being made is the performance and availability of games is better on Windows. If you're happy with the current games that you play on Linux, then more power to you. I'm glad it's working out for you. But stop being upset that others aren't following suit.
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Prefer is a mighty strong word. :)
I would dump 10 for Linux pretty dam fast if my rift and games played on it. It really is not much different GUI wise than Windows. I loved it.
There is also the games that are 10 only.
 
NemesisX said:
Why are you so offended that people prefer Windows for games? You're making this emotional when in reality games simply run better on Windows than in Linux due to better driver support and the fact that Linux optimization for games is not a priority because it's only on ≤ 2% of computers. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. In a world where PC gamers want to eek out every frame they can from a game and spend thousands on hardware to do just that, Linux is never going to be an option until Linux receives the same kind of frequent and current support that Windows gets from hardware manufacturers. Also, the problems ailing Windows are blown so way out of proportion as to be comical and are generally a non-issue for competent PC users, which comprises most (if not all) the [H] community. Treating people like they're ignorant or stupid because they don't have your passion for Linux is incredibly unhelpful. Linux is getting better all the time, but for many here it simply just isn't there yet for our needs. And for some it may never get there. I don't see why people are getting so bent out of shape because others simply don't want to use Linux as their main OS. Your last line has nothing to do with anything. Nobody is saying someone that only games on Linux isn't a true gamer. Or someone that only games on consoles isn't a true gamer. That sounds like elementary school nonsense. The only argument being made is the performance and availability of games is better on Windows. If you're happy with the current games that you play on Linux, then more power to you. I'm glad it's working out for you. But stop being upset that others aren't following suit.
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What gives you the opinion I'm offended by anything?

If you're going to make a claim in a public forum and post it as fact, make sure it is actually factual before posting it. The claim that Windows games under Wine on Linux result in a loss of performance due to translation that Windows does not have to perform is not factually correct in any sense whatsoever.

Hargid makes the claim "I'm forced to use Windows as the titles I prefer require Windows to run", and this is a perfectly fine claim to make. However I'm sure Hagrid will be the first to claim that his view does not reflect everyone. Likewise, as a gamer myself who is tired of the issues surrounding Windows 10 and Microsoft in general, I'm lucky that most of the titles I enjoy are supported under Linux and I do not experience any of the issues under Linux that I experience under Windows, so like the gamers that prefer Xbox and the gamers that prefer PS4 - I use Linux and think it's fantastic.

The term 'gamer' is by no means limited to Windows, neither is the term 'PC' or 'PC user'.
 
NemesisX said:
I would drop it as well. Windows needs a real alternative.
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I used to think that and I used to run Windows, then I tried the alternative and found that it worked much, much better than some would have you believe. One OS is getting better while the other appears to have been orphaned by it's capitalist developer.

As stated many times in the past, the popularity of Windows is 100% a result of forced installs on OEM devices, it has nothing to do with the fact that it's necessarily a great OS.
 
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Just got my pc working again after a mobo RMA,

I’ll hold off for awehile thank you MS. I have backups to make and work to do. Can’t be down without a machine for any longer.
 
Mazzspeed said:
I used to think that and I used to run Windows, then I tried the alternative and found that it worked much, much better than some would have you believe. One OS is getting better while the other appears to have been orphaned by it's capitalist developer.

As stated many times in the past, the popularity of Windows is 100% a result of forced installs on OEM devices, it has nothing to do with the fact that it's necessarily a great OS.
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I am not going to say that Linux is absolutely going to fulfull the needs of everybody because it's just not true. I wish! But no.

Still, many people would be surprised if they give it a shot. Don't get me wrong, I run both! No fanatism. Ways to skin a cat and all.

We're all crafty guys, and that means having a stash of different tools for all jobs we come across should be what we aim for. Grab an old rig, download Fedora 29 XFCE, and fire it up. More often than not, you'll see it's ready out of the box, and perfectly fine for your average grandma Facebook/email/get in touch with grandsons needs.

Look, I used Linux for many years, and I burned out. It was too much of a mess. I went full Windows. Up until 8/8.1, I was perfectly fine with it. I learned to go without the Start menu, actually found nice ways to make my workflow work without it. It was fast, and quite stable after a few updates. Windows 10 was also pretty neat when it came out, I had no complaints. Upgraded all machines I came across without hesitating.

However, somehow, somewhere, things started getting a little shaky. And one day, like I do every once in a while, I decided to install a random Linux distro on a random old POS machine I have laying around. And I was blown away.

Let me stress that all of that does NOT mean it is a solution for everybody. But again, many of us here work tech, and I think we'll be doing everybody - including ourselves of course, career and so on - a great job if we push for solutions that are tailored for the environments we come across, instead of one-size-fits-all approaches that are way too common in the IT industry - sadly. I come from a country that's a lot different from what you find here in North America (I am in Canada), and that gives me perspective. I am trying to share with you all. That applies not only to OS, but Cloud-based solutions and everything. Every environment requires its own tools, and the more tools we have in our stash, the more we're ready to give the best solution to a particular organization we're working with.

So no, it's not perfect. It's not a panacea. And no, I don't want Windows to go down in flames, it's exactly the opposite. But just like Intel needs AMD kicking its ass, MS needs something to keep them honest. The more we, the ones responsible to provide solutions for people who use - not work - IT, work on alternatives, the more MS will be forced to step up their game. And that's what we should want, because not only it'll keep MS busy, it's also the only way to make Linux improve as well, new players to jump in, and so on.
 
And I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the misconceptions around it.

NemesisX said:
It’s becoming nauseating to hear about Linux. People use the OS they use for a reason. It’s like when people keep telling macOS users they can get a cheaper Windows PC alternative which ... although true ... is irrelevant to them because the alternatives aren’t running macOS. Many of us have tried Linux ... many times ... and it doesn’t suit our needs. Whether it’s more stable is not the point.
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cdr_74_premium said:
Look, I used Linux for many years, and I burned out. It was too much of a mess. I went full Windows. Up until 8/8.1, I was perfectly fine with it. I learned to go without the Start menu, actually found nice ways to make my workflow work without it. It was fast, and quite stable after a few updates. Windows 10 was also pretty neat when it came out, I had no complaints. Upgraded all machines I came across without hesitating.
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No mess here? I have a beautifully stable and usable system with an attractive and logically laid out UI that's no harder to use than macOS - And everyone claims macOS to be the easiest OS to use? Even my wife loves it, she wants her work to switch to Linux as she's tired of the issues surrounding Windows also.

Windows 10 on the other hand? That updater is a joke and there's two UI's crammed together into the one OS. Microsoft won't step up their game regarding Windows, they've already publicly put it on the back burner in terms of development and they now make more money out of cloud based solutions running Linux. If anything the situation regarding Windows is going to continue to degrade.
 
I suggest you read the whole post :)

I was talking about Win7 days, circa 2011. Linux was slower than Win7 on all machines I had around. It was surprising.

Tried again a few years later. I did get used to Unity, but the machine still felt sluggish.

Recently, however, my experience has been great with various distros. I settled on Fedora 28 XFCE, and find myself booting windows less and less (I keep both on all my machines).

Then, Fedora 29 came and it was time for an upgrade. It was seamless. And I was sold.
 
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I suggest you read the whole post :)

I was talking about Win7 days, circa 2011. Linux was slower than Win7 on all machines I had around. It was surprising.

Tried again a few years later. I did get used to Unity, but the machine still felt sluggish.

Recently, however, my experience has been great with various distros. I settled on Fedora 28 XFCE, and find myself booting windows less and less (I keep both on all my machines).

Then, Fedora 29 came and it was time for an upgrade. It was seamless. And I was sold.
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I've been using Linux full time since 2013 and I can assure you, as an OS it's surprisingly faster than Windows, sometimes by a literal country mile.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=2990wx-linux-windows&num=2
 
One thing that really irks me with Windows is:

Exactly how long do I have to wait once the desktop has appeared on a cold boot before the system is actually responsive enough to be actually usable when equipped with a mechanical drive?! Because under a modern Linux distro I can use the system pretty much immediately, under Windows 10 it feels like a good five mins or more before the system even starts to become responsive enough to be usable - Even when running moderately decent hardware.
 
Mazzspeed said:
One thing that really irks me with Windows is:

Exactly how long do I have to wait once the desktop has appeared on a cold boot before the system is actually responsive enough to be actually usable when equipped with a mechanical drive?! Because under a modern Linux distro I can use the system pretty much immediately, under Windows 10 it feels like a good five mins or more before the system even starts to become responsive enough to be usable - Even when running moderately decent hardware.
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One thing that irks me is why someone would use a mechanical drive at all, anymore, as a boot drive. :D Also, on the same drive, Linux ain't no speed demon either. This is 2018, not 2008.

Edit: Oh, and a 5400 rpm hard drive of any capacity is NOT moderately decent hardware.
 
Oh yeah, about the thread topic, I am running 1809 without issues, on all my computers. Good to see they rereleased it.
 
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