3dfx Voodoo 5 6000

toast0 said:
I don't know how well they work, but there are converters so you can use a SATA drive on an IDE port; and compact flash to IDE is just pin mapping. Either option seems like a better idea than hoping 10+ year old drives keep going. Depends on how historically accurate you want though, I guess.
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You can still get refurb or NoS IDE drives that have good reliability. I don't recommend SATA to IDE adapters because they're known to cause massive data corruption, don't always work and are expensive. CF or SD to IDE is a viable option, but flash media is expensive and older OSes don't know what flash is and tends to destroy it.
 
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BTW, Aluminum Electrolytic capacitors Don't swap for SMT caps, typically; the inductance values are too high, so check the numbers.

I typically look for ones rated for 10,000 or 20,000 hours, so I don't have to do it again.

EDIT: I found out recently repairing my monitors that Aluminum Electrolytic capacitors DONT Work for 2.5V or 1.8V rails; there's not enough voltage to keep them 'formed'.
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This is nonsense.

SMD caps are the same aluminum electrolytic type with a different form factor, unless you're trying to replace polymer caps with electrolytic caps, but I really doubt monitors use polymer caps.

Radial types generally have lower ESR because the internal construction is different.
 
This is awesome, brings me back.

Hmm, I have two 5500s and a voodoo2, need to build a retro system some time. Maybe an athlon 64x2? Those were still agp I think.

That or I could find an am4 board with pci and run the voodoo2 for fun...

I had a good voodoo4 somewhere too, not sure if I still have it. I'll have to dig out all of my old stuff and figure out what I still have and plan a retro build or two.
 
bobzdar said:
This is awesome, brings me back.

Hmm, I have two 5500s and a voodoo2, need to build a retro system some time. Maybe an athlon 64x2? Those were still agp I think.

That or I could find an am4 board with pci and run the voodoo2 for fun...

I had a good voodoo4 somewhere too, not sure if I still have it. I'll have to dig out all of my old stuff and figure out what I still have and plan a retro build or two.
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Damn 2 v5 5500 and a v4? Yeah go threw that old stash! Wish I could come over and help ya! Hehe

Btw.. half my basement storage room is all my old pc stuff.. boxes and boxes. Have 2 old school rigs.. one I believe is a p3 1ghz slot 1 system with voodoo2 12mb sli,sub awe 64 value and the other I cant remember now but prob a athlon xp 2600+. but it has my v5 5500.

Would be a ton of work but I wouldnt mind posting up all my old pc boxed games i used to have and my voodoo cards from back when before I sold them. That be a sep thread no doubt.. 100's of titles. Wish I still had them as I'd line the walls with them in my pc room in the basement :/
 
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Damn 2 v5 5500 and a v4? Yeah go threw that old stash! Wish I could come over and help ya! Hehe

Btw.. half my basement storage room is all my old pc stuff.. boxes and boxes. Have 2 old school rigs.. one I believe is a p3 1ghz slot 1 system with voodoo2 12mb sli,sub awe 64 value and the other I cant remember now but prob a athlon xp 2600+. but it has my v5 5500.

Would be a ton of work but I wouldnt mind posting up all my old pc boxed games i used to have and my voodoo cards from back when before I sold them. That be a sep thread no doubt.. 100's of titles. Wish I still had them as I'd line the walls with them in my pc room in the basement :/
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Do it!

Dug these out and took a pic, also found an all in wonder 9600xt and a geforce2 mx 200 that I kept just to test systems as I don't care if it gets fried.

Didn't find the v4 or my old diamond monster 3d (voodoo1) that started it all, they might have gotten lost in multiple moves over the years.
 

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bobzdar said:
Do it!

Dug these out and took a pic, also found an all in wonder 9600xt and a geforce2 mx 200 that I kept just to test systems as I don't care if it gets fried.

Didn't find the v4 or my old diamond monster 3d (voodoo1) that started it all, they might have gotten lost in multiple moves over the years.
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Sweet! Bummber on the other cards. :/

Yeah I had an old geforce 2 mx 200 card that finally bit the dust last year. Used it for the same reason you did. Hehe
 
I just pulled a dell voodoo 3 3000 16mb pci from a dead system heading to recycle. since its pci ive contemplated dropping into my system to see what happens...
 
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I just pulled a dell voodoo 3 3000 16mb pci from a dead system heading to recycle. since its pci ive contemplated dropping into my system to see what happens...
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Seriously awesome! I had one of those back when.. and then the v3 3500 TV card I always hated hehe..

Just checked ebay admin ago looking at a few V3 cards. Didnt see a PCI version and the asking price was nuts on the v3 3000 boxed card.

Let's us know what happends!
 
Only retail cards I didnt have from 3dfx was the voodoo 4 and voodoo 5 cards.

Bought an old tower packard bell system just like the 2nd pc I had back in 94 at a salvation army about 5-6 years ago and it opened it up and found a 3dfx banshee card in it hehe.. never had one prior.
 
I still have my old socket 939 rig with a voodoo 3 3000 in it. Runs on windows me. I use that machine to play all my retro games.
 
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I just pulled a dell voodoo 3 3000 16mb pci from a dead system heading to recycle. since its pci ive contemplated dropping into my system to see what happens...
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There are rudimentary drivers for Voodoo3/4/5 cards on Windows 7. I've tried my Voodoo5 5500 and it behaves mostly fine on Glide and OpenGL games but whenever a Direct X game tries to launch, the screen resizes to 160x80 and cascades start buttons down the screen. If you wait long enough, the display driver crashes and you have to reboot the machine. I can recover it if I have a second video card in the system to fix the display resolution.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
The OEM 3dfx fans with AAVID stickers are ball bearing fans, oiling them won't help because the bearings are failing. You might be able to knock out the bearings and replace them if you could find bearings that small.

Those fans are unobtanium.

While you can find 40mm fans, getting them with Mini JST headers and with the slim profile of the original AAVID brand fans is nearly impossible. The AAVID fans are 5-8mm thick and have wide and shallow mounting holes. Modern 40mm fans are going to be 10-15mm thick at minimum and have deep thin mounting holes which prevents them from mounting to the original heatsink.

When the fans on my Voodoo5 5500 failed, I had to do a lot of research and experimentation to get replacements to work. I ended up buying 3 wire fans and replacing the standard 3 pin fan connector with a 3 pin Mini JST pigtail, with I think a 2mm pin pitch. The mounting holes didn't line up so I removed the stock heatsinks and replaced them with much larger versions. The fans still don't fit quite right, but they work and the VSA-100 chips don't overheat.

Getting 3 wire fans is important because at least on my card, it won't power up unless it detects the fans are spinning.
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I thought you were kidding. I spent some time on digikey and mouser. Digikey had some fans made by orion fan. 40x40x6mm dimensions and 3 wire. Looked up the model numbers and they don't exist, not even datasheets. I have not heard of orion fans much.
Checked arrow electronics. checked ebay. Checked Delta fan catalog. Checked NMB/mineba. checked san ace / sanyo danki. Nothing. Nothing at all.

Closest options:
Sunon makes a 40x40x6mm fan. Page 22. Avilable on mouser. But it's 2 wire.
http://www.sunon.com/uFiles/file/03_products/08-catalog download/Sunon DC Brushless Fan & Blower_(240-E).pdf

Adda makes a 40x40x6mm fan, AD4006. it's 2 wire though. Available on mouser.

EBM papst offers PWM as a specialty option on their 40x40x10 fans, but it's specialty custom order. I'm sure they'd make anyone a custom fan for $$$ but its going to be big bucks and a large order.

There is a good chance the original aavid fans were a custom order by 3Dfx, which is why they are so unobtainable.

Not all is lost though. Aavid still exists. You could contact aavid and ask them if they have any old stock. their contact here:
https://www.boydcorp.com/purchase/contact-sales-support.html
If anything, get an old datasheet from them, I'm sure an aavid application engineer could provide it.


If you want to go full on out, you could simply take an adda or sunon fan and make your own brushless motor driver board to make a custom 3 wire fan :D.
 
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you guys know they dont have to stay in that low profile <10mm size right? there are lots of 10mm. the three pin is the important part and you can get appropriate screws or cut some down or even drill out the holes to make them shallower. but if you insist on low-pro fans theres these and more: 7mm COFAN F-4007H12C, 7mm Evercool EC4007M12CA, 6mm ADDA 4006 + 7mm 4007, 8mm sunon 4008 + 7mm 4007, basically take a fan brand name and 4006/7/8/10 to it and google usually turns something up then look for 3pin. once you have a 3pin of choice you can transplant the connector from the oem aavid fans if need be.
edit: this is [H] after all :)
 
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Could always just totally replace the heatsink on them all together. Then the fan wont be a problem. I've done the same with my v5 5500. Installed copper chipset coolers. Will update with a pic if I find it tomorrow. Obviously ripping off the heatsinks on a v5 6000 would be way too risky!
 
eclypse said:
Could always just totally replace the heatsink on them all together. Then the fan wont be a problem. I've done the same with my v5 5500. Installed copper chipset coolers. Will update with a pic if I find it tomorrow. Obviously ripping off the heatsinks on a v5 6000 would be way too risky!
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yup, just depends on how [H]ard you want to go on it ;)
 
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commissioneranthony said:
I thought you were kidding. I spent some time on digikey and mouser. Digikey had some fans made by orion fan. 40x40x6mm dimensions and 3 wire. Looked up the model numbers and they don't exist, not even datasheets. I have not heard of orion fans much.
Checked arrow electronics. checked ebay. Checked Delta fan catalog. Checked NMB/mineba. checked san ace / sanyo danki. Nothing. Nothing at all.
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Yeah, people think I'm crazy "wtf u talkin bout willis, of course 40mm fans exist" - yeah all 40mm fans which won't work on a 3dfx card.

The AAVID fans were special, they had a small central hub with large blades to move more air, unlike cheap 40mm fans where the hub takes up most of the diameter with just tiny stubby fins.

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If you want to go full on out, you could simply take an adda or sunon fan and make your own brushless motor driver board. Then you can have all the 3 wire PWM you want :D
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3 wire fans aren't PWM, they're voltage driven. The 3rd sense wire is pulled high by the hall effect sensor twice a revolution (IIRC) and whatever is driving the fan can use that to detect the fan RPM. Some really cheap fans cheat and tie the sense wire to the power rail to always hold it high. This is handled differently by different fan controllers, some think the fan is spinning at 9999 rpm, while others think the fan is stuck. In my V5 5500's case, I have these cheap fans with the sense pin pulled high and the card seems to not care and works fine.

PWM fans have 4 wires, with the 4th wire being able to alter the speed of the fan via pulse width modulation.
 
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That peaked my curiosity, so I started digging a little.

Found this. I don't know if it's useful info to you, erek, but there you go.
 
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GiGaBiTe said:
3 wire fans aren't PWM, they're voltage driven. The 3rd sense wire is pulled high by the hall effect sensor twice a revolution (IIRC) and whatever is driving the fan can use that to detect the fan RPM. Some really cheap fans cheat and tie the sense wire to the power rail to always hold it high. This is handled differently by different fan controllers, some think the fan is spinning at 9999 rpm, while others think the fan is stuck. In my V5 5500's case, I have these cheap fans with the sense pin pulled high and the card seems to not care and works fine.
PWM fans have 4 wires, with the 4th wire being able to alter the speed of the fan via pulse width modulation.
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My bad. It was a bit too late. Should have remembered 4 wire fans are PWM based, not 3.
 
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This is a truly awesome heap of fond memories, I think I lusted after every bit of hardware here, and seeing it up and running Q3/UT warms my heart/heatsink. 512MB of RAM, what are we, the Rockefellers? And I swear I had that exact ViewSonic monitor, probably connected to my under-half-GHz AMD system that was amazing for its day, bought with lawn-mowing money. Thanks, and keep up the great work!
 
I used to have the 3dfx voodoo 3 series 1998- 2000, reminds me of a lot of games I used to play Unreal tournament
 
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"This is the first section of a three part article discussing 3dfx and the company's final (and unreleased) product, the Voodoo5 6000. Part I will give a historical overview of the company its product designs, and its ultimate collapse. Part II will focus on the card itself (and its performance), and Part III will concentrate on Rampage development, scenarios that might've saved the manufacturer, and a single decision that may have doomed it (the last being a theory of our own)."

http://web.archive.org/web/20030810104037/http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=412
 
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