Would a OC'ed 2500K bottleneck a RTX 2070 ?

Digital Viper-X- said:
His review shows a 10-20% difference, which is what [H] review showed as well.... (I agree it's not an in-depth dive that [H] does with the game engines, but the results are pretty damn similar).

6500k @ 4.5ghz vs 2500k @4.6ghz shows less than a 10fps difference in TW3.

I'm confused, are you debating against my point, or with it :)? I just skimmed the video, but from what I saw, it would not be worth the jump unless going for more cores(that you need for something else)
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I'm confused too, so what does this mean to me ? Let me restate what I need from my PC. I want to be able to play 90% of all games, new ones too on my 4K TV at solid 60fps so I can use v-sync cause I hate screen tearing also mostly high settings not ultra. Now don't tell me I'll need to buy 2080/TI cause it ain't happening. Right now with my current out dated setup in my sig I can play Doom 2016 at around 45fps with high settings, cryisis 3 at 40ish fps and I think I can play Dirt 4 at full 60 fps but I did get some dips in the upper 50's and I play fallout 3 at 60 solid LOL. Actually there's a lot of games I've I can play in 40-50 no problem, so don't tell me I need a monster rig to push a solid 60fps cause I don't believe it.

Can you guys please stop suggesting for me to buy used parts, I've never bought used and never will and also buying something that's old like a 3750/2600 just seems counter-intuitive. It's like saying well you don't have the money for a PS4 then instead just buy a PS2. I keep my rigs for many years as you can see, I've had my current rig since 2011. So this build I'll probably keep just as long. I do appreciative everybody's input by the way.

So should I get the 2070 or upgrade to a new 9600K rig ? I be interested to see though if I got a new rig if I could get more out of my GTX 1060. Also if I get the rig and my fps don't increase that much I'll eventually get a gpu in spring.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
For that case, a 2070 won't be enough, You want to run 4k@60 ? you'll need a 2080ti most likely, if you're going to drop $1300 on the GPU, might as well grab a 9600k/board and ram with it.




Well, in those benches, the 2600K does fairly well in comparison.
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Complete BS there are many many games I can run near 60fps. Did you not read what I said ?
 
I am on a i7-4770K overclocked to 4.4 GHz, I have just upgraded from the 980 Ti to the 2070, I am pretty satisfied overall with the added performance, but I can tell you with certainty that there will be CPU bottlenecks in some areas of some games. For example, I am getting roughly the same FPS with my new card in AC:Origins in the city (Alexandria) as I did with the 980 Ti. A clear indication of a CPU bottleneck. Things would probably be a lot worse if I only had 4 threads.
 
wyqtor said:
I am on a i7-4770K overclocked to 4.4 GHz, I have just upgraded from the 980 Ti to the 2070, I am pretty satisfied overall with the added performance, but I can tell you with certainty that there will be CPU bottlenecks in some areas of some games. For example, I am getting roughly the same FPS with my new card in AC:Origins in the city (Alexandria) as I did with the 980 Ti. A clear indication of a CPU bottleneck. Things would probably be a lot worse if I only had 4 threads.
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Thanks good info
 
It's a hard question to answer when both CPU and GPU need upgrading-

So I'll throw out a different answer. Upgrade the CPU.

Get something with eight or more threads. AMD or Intel, but Intel if you can afford it.

And dump settings on the 1060. Ugly, yes, but likely playable.

Why?

GPU prices suck. Between the mining craze, AMD's Vega halfassening, and Nvidia's ray-tracing intro, you're going to pay quite a bit for a GPU that's just going to drop in price. Given that you're still running a 2500k, you're aware that CPUs last longer; so get a decent platform upgraded and wait until the price/performance curve shifts.
 
Subzerok11 said:
Can you guys please stop suggesting for me to buy used parts, I've never bought used and never will and also buying something that's old like a 3750/2600 just seems counter-intuitive. It's like saying well you don't have the money for a PS4 then instead just buy a PS2. I keep my rigs for many years as you can see, I've had my current rig since 2011. So this build I'll probably keep just as long. I do appreciative everybody's input by the way.
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In that case, go straight to the top. Why skimp on an i5? Get a 9700k or 8700k/8086k and the platform to match. Pick up a GPU later on.
 
You know it's crazy I just had a thought we as PC Gamers we always tell console players well PC gaming is cheaper which is kind of bunch of BS though. A 1080p I would definitely agree with this, but when it comes to 4K I don't think it's true anymore for me to get a new rig including the video card I'm looking at around $1,300 that's with only a 2070 GTX and an Intel i5 9600 k with 16GB of RAM, plus I still need to buy Windows 10 cuz I'm still running Windows 7 so there goes another $100. I'm not even including the current SSD, power supply and case I already have. A Xbox one x is $400 only, I've played the enhanced versions of the games before it look really great on a 4K TV.

Sure the games don't look as good as on a high-end 4K PC rig but unless you got the set up side-by-side most people wouldn't be able to tell.

Also which I find as such BS is that it takes a high-end 4K rig over $1,000-2000 to run a game at 4K that a $400 console can run pretty close to.

I'll never tell a console player again that PC gaming is cheaper, when it comes to 4k gaming.
 
Subzerok11 said:
You know it's crazy I just had a thought we as PC Gamers we always tell console players well PC gaming is cheaper which is kind of bunch of BS though. A 1080p I would definitely agree with this, but when it comes to 4K I don't think it's true anymore for me to get a new rig including the video card I'm looking at around $1,300 that's with only a 2070 GTX and an Intel i5 9600 k with 16GB of RAM, plus I still need to buy Windows 10 cuz I'm still running Windows 7 so there goes another $100. I'm not even including the current SSD, power supply and case I already have. A Xbox one x is $400 only, I've played the enhanced versions of the games before it look really great on a 4K TV.

Sure the games don't look as good as on a high-end 4K PC rig but unless you got the set up side-by-side most people wouldn't be able to tell.

Also which I find as such BS is that it takes a high-end 4K rig over $1,000-2000 to run a game at 4K that a $400 console can run pretty close to.

I'll never tell a console player again that PC gaming is cheaper, when it comes to 4k gaming.
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No $400 console plays games smoothly at native 4k. The XBOX One X is $500 and most games at 4k and even little under only target 30 fps which it cannot maintain all of the time. You can easily build a pc that can run the settings and same performance an XBOX One X can for not too much more money. And you also have a full blown pc that can do things the consoles cant.
 
Subzerok11 said:
I'm looking at around $1,300 that's with only a 2070 GTX and an Intel i5 9600 k with 16GB of RAM.
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I would get at least a 6 core / 12 thread CPU (ie. 8700k/9700k etc) if you're wanting it to last like your last rig..
 
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Subzerok11 said:
You know it's crazy I just had a thought we as PC Gamers we always tell console players well PC gaming is cheaper which is kind of bunch of BS though. A 1080p I would definitely agree with this, but when it comes to 4K I don't think it's true anymore for me to get a new rig including the video card I'm looking at around $1,300 that's with only a 2070 GTX and an Intel i5 9600 k with 16GB of RAM, plus I still need to buy Windows 10 cuz I'm still running Windows 7 so there goes another $100. I'm not even including the current SSD, power supply and case I already have. A Xbox one x is $400 only, I've played the enhanced versions of the games before it look really great on a 4K TV.

Sure the games don't look as good as on a high-end 4K PC rig but unless you got the set up side-by-side most people wouldn't be able to tell.

Also which I find as such BS is that it takes a high-end 4K rig over $1,000-2000 to run a game at 4K that a $400 console can run pretty close to.

I'll never tell a console player again that PC gaming is cheaper, when it comes to 4k gaming.
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what amount of BS spelled there lol... you can buy really cheap a PC able to deliver 4K quality and target FPS without break the bank.. cheap ryzen 2500x with b350 mobo 200$ (or even way less depending on the deal), 45$ HDD, 60$ 8GB DDR4 2400mhz, 50$ Bronze Rosewill PSU, 250$ RX 580.. add whatever 40$ case and 15$ mouse/kb combo.. 660$ grand total for an entire gaming PC. you can cheap out in components, cheaper CPU, cheaper mobo, cheaper RAM and cheaper HDD (I just took average online prices) and you still can build a 500$ machine perfectly able of gaming. also, the Xbox one X doesn't play 4K natively at the level a PC would be able to, specially in the target FPS and settings used. if you are fine playing games in a console just go with an xbox one and forget about PC gaming.

and yes, you need a high end rig to handle 4K I call BS when you say your GTX 1060 it's able to do 4K 60FPS high settings when it's just a card that just barely can handle 1440P.. personally I Think 30FPS is unplayable and I do like to keep settings as high as possible. IDK what are your standard of gaming to think a gtx 1060 is suitable for 4K but trust that the GTX 1080 is just barely able to offer decent performance/image quality wise on 4K and that's a card that's twice as fast as the GTX 1060.
 
misterbobby said:
No $400 console plays games smoothly at native 4k. The XBOX One X is $500 and most games at 4k and even little under only target 30 fps which it cannot maintain all of the time. You can easily build a pc that can run the settings and same performance an XBOX One X can for not too much more money. And you also have a full blown pc that can do things the consoles cant.
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Actually there are more then you think that play at 60fps and or at 4K. Yeah your right is it $500 and not $400 my bad. Not like I'm trying to defend console gaming, no doubt PC gaming is the best and everything else it can do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games
 
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Araxie said:
what amount of BS spelled there lol... you can buy really cheap a PC able to deliver 4K quality and target FPS without break the bank.. cheap ryzen 2500x with b350 mobo 200$ (or even way less depending on the deal), 45$ HDD, 60$ 8GB DDR4 2400mhz, 50$ Bronze Rosewill PSU, 250$ RX 580.. add whatever 40$ case and 15$ mouse/kb combo.. 660$ grand total for an entire gaming PC. you can cheap out in components, cheaper CPU, cheaper mobo, cheaper RAM and cheaper HDD (I just took average online prices) and you still can build a 500$ machine perfectly able of gaming. also, the Xbox one X doesn't play 4K natively at the level a PC would be able to, specially in the target FPS and settings used. if you are fine playing games in a console just go with an xbox one and forget about PC gaming.

and yes, you need a high end rig to handle 4K I call BS when you say your GTX 1060 it's able to do 4K 60FPS high settings when it's just a card that just barely can handle 1440P.. personally I Think 30FPS is unplayable and I do like to keep settings as high as possible. IDK what are your standard of gaming to think a gtx 1060 is suitable for 4K but trust that the GTX 1080 is just barely able to offer decent performance/image quality wise on 4K and that's a card that's twice as fast as the GTX 1060.
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According to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_X_enhanced_games

there are more then you think that play at 60fps and or at 4K.


I don't give a crap if you believe me or not, but I can run Doom around 45fps and Dirt 4 is about 45fps and Fallout 3 at 55fps. Lots of older titles from the 360 era will run at 4K or close to just fine on my rig it just depends how old the game is and how well optimized it is too and what settings I use. I never said my rig could do 4k at 60fps with high settings, I said I can get close to that mark in some titles. Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

It's funny how in your first paragraph you say you can build a PC for around $660 to deliver 4K quality but in your second paragraph you say "you need a high end rig to hanlde 4K" os which is it ? LOL
 
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Bad move IMO.

I’m on a 4670k @ 4Ghz + 1080 @ 1440p and the 1080 is the bottleneck essentially 100% of the time. Upgrading your cpu won’t do a thing for you.
 
MangoSeed said:
Bad move IMO.

I’m on a 4670k @ 4Ghz + 1080 @ 1440p and the 1080 is the bottleneck essentially 100% of the time. Upgrading your cpu won’t do a thing for you.
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Well then you have magically avoided all the CPU intensive games then. There are games that will even eat all eight threads of my 4770k with some dropping below 60 FPS because of the CPU limitation. With hyperthreading off nearly every modern game has my CPU pegged pretty much the whole time and several drop below 60 FPS. Hell some games aren't even very smooth at all just panning around with only four cores as the CPU has nothing left.
 
Possibly, the games I play are a few years old.

i5 4670k + gtx 1080 @ 1440p/144hz desktop and i5 4460 + gtx 960 @ 1080p/60hz htpc and they’re both significantly GPU bottlenecked in everything I play with the exception of Civ V.

Anecdotes aside, 1060 just isn’t fast enough to warrant a major cpu upgrade. Sandy bridge should be fine.
 
MangoSeed said:
Possibly, the games I play are a few years old.

i5 4670k + gtx 1080 @ 1440p/144hz desktop and i5 4460 + gtx 960 @ 1080p/60hz htpc and they’re both significantly GPU bottlenecked in everything I play with the exception of Civ V.

Anecdotes aside, 1060 just isn’t fast enough to warrant a major cpu upgrade. Sandy bridge should be fine.
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He is getting a 2070
 
According to this review and if you read the pros and cons at the bottom the evga geforce rtx 2070 xc ultra the reviewer considers the card as a " Great 1440p and entry-level 4K gaming performance". My main display is a 1440p 27" but my secondary is a 49" 4K TV. So if the game can't be played at a solid 60 on the 4K I'll just play it on my 1440p.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3313423/components-graphics/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-xc-review.html


I got some good news today by the way the boss said that overtime will be available till the end of year. So I could buy the 2070 now so I'll have something to tinker with, but if I just save and wait there might be some specials so it would probably be best to wait. I'll upgrade the rest of my rig too. That's only two months away :) I might even get a new case. Plus it will take a while for me to do proper research to see what I need. I'd love to get a M.2 HDD and get rid of hard drive and my disc drive and get all that extra cabling out of my tower it would make my rig look so clean open, mouth is watering just thinking about it.
 
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I think building a modern system will be worth it. I mean, a new GPU will give you gains, but not the joy of building a new system.

Especially getting a fast NVME M.2 drive and a new Windows install, everything on the desktop is so much better (and fast boots too).
 
Subzerok11 said:
I'd love to get a M.2 HDD and get rid of hard drive and my disc drive and get all that extra cabling out of my tower it would make my rig look so clean open, mouth is watering just thinking about it.
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Wai-wait.... you haven't experienced the SSD life??

You're in for a treat sir lol

As for the cramped case, I can sympathize. (my DVD drive is still installed because I lost the 5.25 slot cover, but at least it's completely unplugged etc)
 
Really should read this: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/22/rtx_2070_vs_2080_gtx_1080_ti_1070/1

From what I've seen, 1080p high fps, online gaming with a lot of characters or single player with a lot of onscreen NPC, or strategy games that heavily rely on threads make the argument for CPU. Anything else is just going to hammer the GPU. Most of the games Kyle tested were GPU bound in 1440p and 4k and the 2070 was averaging 40-60 fps at max settings for these demanding games. A 12c/24t would've only added 1-2 fps for that card at that point.

Honestly your rig is pretty closely optimized for your needs. If you want to give it a little more life then just get the 2070 and don't worry about it unless the games you play expressly focus on CPU. Most single player/FPS don't unless at 1080p plus you can always drop it in the next rig. When you get into 1080TI/2080/2080TI territory and then you've got GPU's that render enough to work the CPU otherwise the GPU's are usually playing catch up. If you want to sweeten it a little more try o score a cheap 1080TI in the $600-700 range. I was lucky and got a Strix 1080TI for $759 when they were released for my 2600k rig and I use it for the same resolutions as you. 1440p/g-sync and 4k 60hz. Mostly just for 1440p and my CPU rarely hits above 60%. SOTR had a few spots(the markets) but otherwise its pretty rare. Honestly the best CPU/GPU match I've ever done.

Long term. Need to start putting money away for a new rig. AMD TR's are looking great in the 2700-2950 range and should last for a long while. I'm planning something like that in a year or so. From 1440p to 4k the next challenge will be all the graphical features the devs are coming up with. These will require stronger CPU's and GPU's to deal with and moores law isn't helping. Be aware by next fall a number of new hardware specs should start becoming mainstream, PCIE4.0, HDMI 2.1b, and some others I can't remember. Looking to build another rig to last another 5-10 years then might want to wait and save a while longer.

edit: It's also possible some of those new MOBO's coming out then migh support that 9600k you're eyeing still. Another reason to wait on building right now.
 
lostin3d said:
AMD TR's are looking great in the 2700-2950 range and should last for a long while..
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See now, that's pretty damn hard to guess at the current time....

Our rigs have lasted for sooooooo long mostly because of one thing:

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