Netflix Pulls the Plug on Marvel’s "Luke Cage"

seanreisk said:
OPINION ONLY:

Part of Netflix's problem is their method. These are serial shows that are released in binge fashion, which is stupid - bingeing compresses a show's pacing, which makes the 'fluffing' and filler in a show obvious (To me, Arrow was a great example of fluffing). It would be better for Netflix to always have five new serials releasing shows at any given time, release a new episode of one of the shows on Sunday through Thursday with a single starting commercial on release night only, and then allow people to binge already released shows as they want. They should use the commercial money to maintain the high-quality of the writing and production, because spending big on an opening season and then going cheap on followup seasons is the best way to kill a show. HBO and Showtime already learned that lesson, and Netflix shouldn't need to be told.

And Netflix should buy up the rights to Firefly. :smug:
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I couldn't disagree more. For me, binging makes fluffing and filler episodes ALOT more watchable. You don't have to watch a shitty filler episode and then wait another week wondering if it's gonna be yet another one. How could you possibly think otherwise?
 
Burticus said:
I'm noticing a trend here.... the shows that have/had crappy sophomore seasons are getting shitcanned. Jessica Jones is probably next. The first season was just OK, with a good episode here and there. S2 was... actually I'm not really sure because I fell asleep during every episode.

Then again shows with dudes are a dime a dozen, and in the MeToo-Verse it might be dangerous (career wise) to cancel any female led show.
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You know every show doesn't have to be made for you. If you odn't like it, move on. It's not a big deal. Personally, I liked all 3 shows (as well as the Defenders) and the sex of these characters is literally irrelevant to whether I like them or not.
 
nilepez said:
You know every show doesn't have to be made for you. If you odn't like it, move on. It's not a big deal. Personally, I liked all 3 shows (as well as the Defenders) and the sex of these characters is literally irrelevant to whether I like them or not.
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Actually I thought Iron First was "OK" but a bit poorly written, got bored 80% of the way through the first season. Jessica Jones was meh from day two or so. I just couldnt get into her. Luke Cage I actually started to fall asleep during the first episode and just turned it off.

Dare Devil was good the first season but I lost interest somewhere in season 2.

I wont miss any of them.
 
nilepez said:
You know every show doesn't have to be made for you. If you odn't like it, move on. It's not a big deal. Personally, I liked all 3 shows (as well as the Defenders) and the sex of these characters is literally irrelevant to whether I like them or not.
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The topic of the thread is about another Netflix show getting cancelled. The poster offered his very valid hypothesis of why they were cancelled. While it is true not that everyone has to like a show the fact is when a majority of people don't like a show it's not worth the millions of dollars it costs a studio to produce. Those shows that are popular are those that increase subscriber numbers and get renewed. Those that aren't get cancelled. Literally.

For the record I didn't think JJ was that bad. Had promise but never seemed to find it's groove after the interesting villian was no longer relevant.
 
I made it through 6 episodes of Luke cage before dropping. It was so incredibly boring. Guy is bulletproof and all he does is whine and do nothing.

Never saw iron first. Defenders turned me off on him.

DD season 3 is quite interesting, probably because Fisk is such a good character. Also DD this season so far less broody.
 
Sikkyu said:
I made it through 6 episodes of Luke cage before dropping. It was so incredibly boring. Guy is bulletproof and all he does is whine and do nothing.

Never saw iron first. Defenders turned me off on him.

DD season 3 is quite interesting, probably because Fisk is such a good character. Also DD this season so far less broody.
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haven't finished season 3 yet but yeah Fisk as a character is awesome and Vincent D'Onofrio does an awesome job with the character. that being said after watching law and order: CI for so many years with him being in it some of what he does as Fisk reminds me of his character on that show as well.
 
With the time and care put into most first season scripts and story arcs the 2nd season is almost always weaker and frequently feels like a cash grab. Once the "new shiny" has worn off more of the audience will see the show for what it is. With other shows it takes a season or two for characters and stories to hit their stride and then you really build fan loyalty rather than habitual watching.

I watch superhero stuff for escapism, action, and classic good vs. evil (and really smart writing will make you consider your definitions of good, evil and outcomes and where those lines are crossed). Too many shows ruin my escapism by having characters that whine and complain incessantly or make absolutely stupid/out of character choices because the writers couldn't find a way to move a story without it. Iron Fist, some of Luke Cage, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was all whining about "why me, I didn't ask for this, boo hoo, life is hard." Too many writers think they are humanizing characters with this when its just annoying to the audience and they could humanize their characters instead by showing the cost of their actions, showing learning and growth and overcoming vulnerabilities (mental and physical) without pandering to the audience.
 
Crackinjahcs said:
With the time and care put into most first season scripts and story arcs the 2nd season is almost always weaker and frequently feels like a cash grab. Once the "new shiny" has worn off more of the audience will see the show for what it is. With other shows it takes a season or two for characters and stories to hit their stride and then you really build fan loyalty rather than habitual watching.

I watch superhero stuff for escapism, action, and classic good vs. evil (and really smart writing will make you consider your definitions of good, evil and outcomes and where those lines are crossed). Too many shows ruin my escapism by having characters that whine and complain incessantly or make absolutely stupid/out of character choices because the writers couldn't find a way to move a story without it. Iron Fist, some of Luke Cage, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was all whining about "why me, I didn't ask for this, boo hoo, life is hard." Too many writers think they are humanizing characters with this when its just annoying to the audience and they could humanize their characters instead by showing the cost of their actions, showing learning and growth and overcoming vulnerabilities (mental and physical) without pandering to the audience.
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yeah another show like that was Black Lightning.. first season was pretty decent second season they dove head first into modern racial issues in society on the first friggin episode of the new season that literally had no place in the show.. watching luke cage i could definitely see the show heading in that same direction as it went on and i have a feeling that's where netflix and the writers had their "creative" differences which eventually led to the show being cancelled.
 
twonunpackmule said:
Almost every show should be 6-8 episodes. They would be great if they were. The problem is, they aren't. Thus most die out from trying to cram material worthy of 13 episodes.
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I agree that they need more quality but I dont believe the answer is to reduce the number of episodes. Older TV shows had high quality almost double the number of episodes. We just need better writers and/or less gratuitous special effects. Maybe also not paying the stars several million/episode might help also ;).
 
twonunpackmule said:
Almost every show should be 6-8 episodes. They would be great if they were. The problem is, they aren't. Thus most die out from trying to cram material worthy of 13 episodes.
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Agreed. Even the good Marvel Netflix series could trim some of the fat off.

CW DC superhero shows would benefit too. Lot of villain of the week episodes to fill up a 24 episode season.
 
I got tire of the whole "Hoody for Traveon" BS that was threaded in the show...Granted, I was colored by an interview I read with the main actor and he is full on how much of a hero Traveon was and he insisted on the hoodie up look to honor him and make people aware etc etc...That stuff has it's place, and it's on CNN etc not the channel I am paying to watch a superhero on.

I get LC is a "hero for the downtrodden black guy from the affirmative action era" but it was just too much. I watched it but it really bothered me.
 
I just hope the Punisher and daredevil keep going. Jessica jones was alright for the first season. I haven't watched the 2nd season for her series. I tried to watch iron fist and couldn't get passed the first 2 episodes. I am a huge punisher fan from the comics and I didn't really care for daredevil but I am now a daredevil fan after the tv series.
 
Spun Ducky said:
I just hope the Punisher and daredevil keep going. Jessica jones was alright for the first season. I haven't watched the 2nd season for her series. I tried to watch iron fist and couldn't get passed the first 2 episodes. I am a huge punisher fan from the comics and I didn't really care for daredevil but I am now a daredevil fan after the tv series.
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Punisher season 2 has already finished filming. I can't picture them just tossing all that work away. Probably be out early 2019.
 
alamox said:
netflix screwed up all the marvel series, because the budget is ridiculous for what these kind of series require.
marvel should be action-fantastic not drama-thriller, the concept from the start is stupid, i don't know how these kind of projects get aprouved in the first place.
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Yeah, comics shouldn't make you think about characters or stories, just blow things up. It's not like comics have been specifically about exploring social, moral, and personal issues forever, or something. /sarcasm
 
Burticus said:
I'm noticing a trend here.... the shows that have/had crappy sophomore seasons are getting shitcanned. Jessica Jones is probably next. The first season was just OK, with a good episode here and there. S2 was... actually I'm not really sure because I fell asleep during every episode.

Then again shows with dudes are a dime a dozen, and in the MeToo-Verse it might be dangerous (career wise) to cancel any female led show.
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They canceled the shows that have non-white lead characters (Asian woman costar in IF, black people in LC) ... so I'm not sure they are too worried about that. DC's shows are straight up SJW. (Which I appreciate, but man, it's still over the top.)

I'm wondering if they are going to go down the "heroes for hire" route... or if this content is just shifting to Disney?
 
Spun Ducky said:
I just hope the Punisher and daredevil keep going. Jessica jones was alright for the first season. I haven't watched the 2nd season for her series. I tried to watch iron fist and couldn't get passed the first 2 episodes. I am a huge punisher fan from the comics and I didn't really care for daredevil but I am now a daredevil fan after the tv series.
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after watching season 3 of daredevil that shows doing just fine.. punisher follows the same writing style daredevil does so i don't see that being cancelled any time soon either.. jessica jones has potential, question is if the director and writes understand what that potential is.
 
tempertantrum said:
I'm wondering if they are going to go down the "heroes for hire" route... or if this content is just shifting to Disney?
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I was wondering about Heroes for Hire as well. Also Colleen Wing and Misty Knight were pretty popular despite being on Iron Fist. I could see a Daughters of the Dragon series.
 
Jessica Jones sucked balls period. But if anyone thinks they are going to cancel it without an explanation, your nuts. She is the only Female hero show on there really. To keep the SJW's at bay, when they do cancel JJ, that's when they will admit Disney is taking all its IP's to the new Disney Streaming Service. But to cancel without explanation will see a stock drop in one day that would be pretty big.
 
Everything I've read indicates, it boiled down to financials and direction. Ironfist is both flailing financially and creatively, they couldn't work out a new contract that made it worth Netflix effort and money. Luke Cage however I've heard is doing great, but the show runner and netflix aren't getting along so well. That on top of the contract renewal gave Netflix cause to cancel.

I think it's highly likely Disney will either tie Luke Cage into the new streaming service or work out a deal with Hulu whos two shows are doing quite well and they renewed both this year. I think they'll probably stick Ironfist in a writers pot to simmer and do cameos until they figure out how to make him work.

Honestly as a lifelong comic fan I had reservation that they could make Ironfist work as a starring character. Other than the Immortals Weapons storyline hes just not very compelling. That couple with Netflix not bothering to hire decent writers, actors or choreographers pretty guaranteed a flop. If they'd gotten somebody like Yayan Ruhian from "The Raid" movies to do coreography this thing would have be a hit out of the part.

Im on the same train as most fans that the first half of Luke Cage Season 1 was good then the whole thing fell apart. However Season 2 had a phenomenal cliffhanger conclusion. Every comicbook fan I know is on the edge of their seat waiting to hear how Disneys gonna handle the Luke Cage cancellation. I'd like to see them at least finish a fourth season and maybe bring him into the Marvel MCU.

Sadly Jessica Jones, bores me senseless. I barely made it thorugh the first season and managed to fall asleep through one of the early second season episodes. I just cant stand Kristen Ritter. I'm sure shes a great person, but shes just awful as JJ.

I recommend anyone whos reasonably enjoyed at least DareDevil and Luke Cage to check out Cloak&Dagger on Hulu. I was really surprised at how gripping and well written/acted it is.
 
Is luke cage the show about a black dude who works in a hairdressers shop and bullets bounce off him ?

If it’s that, then I agree with netflixes decision to cancel it, as it was shit, no doubt someone will say netflix are being racist for cancelling it.

If its about something else, my bad, as i dont really watch netflix now. The only thing i can think it is was what i mentioned.
 
We've tried to watch Luke Cage 3 times now and can't get more than 2-3 episodes in before we abandon ship to another show. Circle back around 6-9 months later and can't remember a damn thing from the first 2 episodes and have to start over.. and lose interest again. I really don't know what it is about the show that literally puts us to sleep.

Never tried Iron Fist yet due to all the poor reviews.

JJ and Daredevil however keep drawing us in.
 
There are so many superhero shows and movies these days and some people are getting bored of them especially when many of the plots are similar to each other. Luke Cage and Iron Fist were just average shows. Jessica Jones is a crappy show. DareDevil was probably the best from them all and seeing small doses of the Punisher and Elektra in the DD series was cool.

The stand alone Punisher series was entertaining too but should have been called "Punisher and Friends and Family." Some of the characters were also pretty bad such as Midani and the bad guys (especially the private military company) in the show were so incompetent and didn't even look like they belonged there. That being said, it was still fun to watch.
 
bigddybn said:
The topic of the thread is about another Netflix show getting cancelled. The poster offered his very valid hypothesis of why they were cancelled. While it is true not that everyone has to like a show the fact is when a majority of people don't like a show it's not worth the millions of dollars it costs a studio to produce. Those shows that are popular are those that increase subscriber numbers and get renewed. Those that aren't get cancelled. Literally.

For the record I didn't think JJ was that bad. Had promise but never seemed to find it's groove after the interesting villian was no longer relevant.
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The person was arguing that "shows with dudes are a dime a dozen, and in the MeToo-Verse it might be dangerous (career wise) to cancel any female led show."
That's rubbish.
 
From listening to some Youtube review shows, it seems the only shows that didn't get "cancelled" were shows that were already filming, just finished filming. If it didn't start filming already or had another season in the can, they were cancelled.

In a way I'm glad. Iron Fist was a good idea but just poorly executed. A show about one of the MCU's best martial artists and he's getting his ass kicked every other episode. His "super power" was the iron fist, his skill at martial arts was from being raised and trained since he was a kid. They weren't things he could suddenly "forget" when he lost the iron fist. On top of that, the main actor was not only a crappy actor but:

1) He simply wasn't physically accurate (his wrist is wrong all the time. You can find a kid in a karate class throwing better punches.)
2) He isn't as imposing as a guy who trained in martial arts since he was a kid, should be. If you've ever trained in martial arts or boxing or any kind of fighting, you know guys that are good at throwing down have an silent stone-eyed gaze that's hard to fake.

The low budget fight choreography in all the Netflix shows only made this more obvious. I can give the other Netflix MCU shows a pass due to their concept, but Iron Fist is a show centered around a martial arts character / theme. You could count the beats during the fight scenes ... I punch, you punch, 3rd guy punches. They should have spent a little more budget on the fight scenes or hired better stunt / fight choreographers (or cheaped out and just sped up the film like the old Hong Kong kung fu flicks). This was also happening in the new / latest season of Daredevil if you pay attention (which I otherwise liked).
 
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