I just bought an used (but like new) 1080 ti for ~40% of the price of a 2080 ti... I game at 4K but there is no way that I can justify paying much more money for only 30% increase in performance. My plan is to hold on my 1080 Ti until the 2080 Ti reaches a more reasonable price (~$900)
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I just bought a 1080ti, I'm going to hold out till 2019 for my next GPU, who's with me??
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I also run 1440P in 21:9 and my 2 custom watercooled Vega Frontiers arn't going anywhere. I see nothing on the market that would change my mind atm. Navi likely also won't be needed by me. The 2080's are a joke with their prices vs performance. I waited on these till people started dumping them and grabbed them cheap. I even got the waterblocks on super sale. Working out very well for me. 
Got a extra Vega Frontier for my Mac Pro just for good measure. All of that and I still spent less then 1 2080TI. Comedic hu? Lol.. the insanity.
Got a extra Vega Frontier for my Mac Pro just for good measure. All of that and I still spent less then 1 2080TI. Comedic hu? Lol.. the insanity.The 980 Ti launched at $649 and the 1080 Ti launched at $699. I didn't expect the 2080 Ti to launch at $1199. I thought about buying a 1080 Ti, but with previous generations of cards, the price slowly dropped over time. With the 1080 Ti it went up. Never really seemed like a great time to jump in. Based on past trends, at the time I thought I could eventually buy the 1080 Ti for around $500 once it had been on the market for a while. That didn't happen. It also seemed likely at the time that the mid range 2080 series card would be 4K capable, and it is. I just didn't anticipate Nvidia raising the launch price on the mid range model by $250. I'm not complaining about high end prices, I'm just complaining about high end prices increasing so much in 3 years.
A given level of performance generally becomes more affordable over time. That hasn't happened over the past three years.
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I had a 2080 ti preorder lined up, but ultimately cancelled. I'm still running happily with my 1080 ti. It plays everything, up to and including 4k.
In 20-25 years of upgrading nearly every gen without exception, this is really the only time I have no motivation to upgrade (I'm not even dithering). Incidentally, I have more disposable income than I ever have i.e. upgrading would be of smaller impact than ever before in my life. Moreover, my enthusiasm for gaming and having top-level performance really hasn't diminished. This tells me two things:
In 20-25 years of upgrading nearly every gen without exception, this is really the only time I have no motivation to upgrade (I'm not even dithering). Incidentally, I have more disposable income than I ever have i.e. upgrading would be of smaller impact than ever before in my life. Moreover, my enthusiasm for gaming and having top-level performance really hasn't diminished. This tells me two things:
- I'm still very happy with my 1080 ti
- I have very little interest in the 20xxs (due to meagre performance improvements, extortionate price, nV nefariousness over the past year(s))
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I like my 1080 TI playing games & Odyssey at 4k my next upgrade will be in five years time I am not in any rush I can wait for the future GPU I still pay all the new titles in games for another five years if the card will last me that long, also not interested in the 2000 series for now, 50% in OTT prices vs 30 percent faster on the last gen card, I give it another two to three years for RT & DLSS for games to take more shape in games then it will be worth the RTX name or not IMO.
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Ditto. Initially I was interested, but after the price reveal I decided to keep the 1080Ti. I've been playing through AC: Odyssey at 4k and am not sure I would notice $700 worth of IQ/effects over my $500 1080Ti. But I agree, definitely seems like extortion to get the best card meanwhile the 2080/2070 are essentially the 1080Ti/1080 performance for more money.
And with me also, it's not a matter of not having the money. I just hate being taken advantage of.
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What province are you in? Here in the GTA there are a bunch of sub $800 1080ti on kijiji.
Exactly, the 1080ti are still overkill for 90% of PC gamers 1440p or 1080p setups. Maybe if 4k 120hz screens were sub $500, then maybe I might think about upgrading my monitor, and then after the first price drop, getting the 2080ti. But as of right now, the market is swimming in good 1440p 120hz screens, at reasonable prices, so I can't see why a 1080ti owner would upgrade to a 2080ti, unless they have a triple screen 1440p setup or something insane.
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If you are playing older titles at 4k, an aftermarket 1080 TI is actually faster than the founders 2080 due to more VRAM according to Hardware Canucks.
I bought my EVGA 1080 ti on eBay recently for $600. I have the option of upgrading to the 2080 for about $30 through step up. Just waiting for RTX and DLSS to come out and for those features to be reviewed. If it's bad I'll just cancel the step up. Leaning to just keeping the 1080 Ti but we will see.
Edit:. Im triple 1080p with those 27" Dell freesync monitors I got last BF for $80 a piece. Happy for now.
I bought my EVGA 1080 ti on eBay recently for $600. I have the option of upgrading to the 2080 for about $30 through step up. Just waiting for RTX and DLSS to come out and for those features to be reviewed. If it's bad I'll just cancel the step up. Leaning to just keeping the 1080 Ti but we will see.
Edit:. Im triple 1080p with those 27" Dell freesync monitors I got last BF for $80 a piece. Happy for now.
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While I don't doubt that this is the case for a few titles, there's a very short window where >8GB of VRAM makes a difference but the game isn't too intensive at 4k. Generally speaking they should be about equal overall, and it'd be a stretch to put the 1080Ti ahead of the 2080 for that reason alone.
I wouldn't be upgrading either if I was in your shoes. I ordered the RTX 2080, but I'm coming from a GTX 960. Even though I'm not helping matters by ordering the 2080, I'm glad there isn't a rush from people with 1080 Ti's to upgrade. HOPEFULLY Nvidia sales dip a little bit with the drastically increased pricing. As long as they have no competition from AMD, Nvidia is going to keep raising prices until people stop paying them.
I do wish the 1080 Ti had dropped in price. If I could find it new for $500 that would be an easy decision over the 2080.
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When talking about pricing, note that even Nvidia seems to have underbid demand for these cards. There's only one in stock at Newegg, and it's $900 over MSRP.
This is consumer demand:
This is consumer demand:
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I don’t want to tempt fate but, 1080ti’s that are being sold “Like New”, that’s only because they were touched twice in their life, once to put them into a mining rig, then to take it out and sell it.
Like new = @ 100% 24/7/365 x 3
Seriously though, if it was a miner, did you have to pay union fee’s before you got it ?
If you already have a 1080 Ti there's no point in getting the 2080. You're not the market. If you don't have a 1080 Ti and have no interest in the features of the 2080 that the 1080 Ti doesn't have, well, that's a different ballgame. Seems a lot of people are jumping on the 1080 Tis. If I were in the market, that's what I would do.
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Zotac will be happy that their cards are selling for the price of a house, in afghanistan.
Sorry, but no way would I buy a zotac card for £2.1g, £500 quid is a push, 2g is wtf no wai
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That is exactly what I did.
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NO games are going to need more power in the next 5 years even. any game that comes out from now till then will all perform 60fps in 1080p . and the 1080ti will last 10 years. cause fk i can still play 99% of games with a gtx 980
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Pulled the trigger and got a EVGA 1080ti for under MSRP on kijiji. I was looking to avoid buying used, but the few card that would fit my case refused to drop below $1000cdn.
I realized I must have been having slowdowns in Wildlands for months on my 980. Smooth as butter.
I realized I must have been having slowdowns in Wildlands for months on my 980. Smooth as butter.
Why a 1080 Ti today? Was it cheaper than an RTX 2080?
The 2080 has minimal performance gains over the 1080Ti and has only 8 GB of memory vs 11 on the 1080 Ti, although DDR6 vs DDR5 if that makes a difference.
1080 Ti will also overclock like a banchee.
The Ray Tracing argument is lame, most reviewers think that the plain 2080 won't be able to handle the loads.
Skipping the 2080 release is a good idea in my book, unless you still use a 8800 GTX or 780 GTX.
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In general, it's a sidegrade (I just went from 1080 Ti to 2080), but I'm all in for DLSS. That, I believe in. The 3GB thing is a decent argument but I still have not seen concrete proof that it really makes a difference and if you're gaming at 4K you will benefit from the 2080 more than the 1080 Ti so IMO, it evens out.
I just honestly see no reason to buy a 1080 Ti green field today if the price is in a similar range. Sure - if you're buying a used one for like $500 or so...but even then full 3 year warranty with new plus the risk of a mined card make it a tough choice. I'd rather have 1080 Ti+ performance in the 2080 and the potential of DLSS in a brand new card.
Well... My original reply in this thread I was running a 980Ti and said that I would be skipping the 10 series in favor of the 20 series...
Things have changed.
I did end up buying a 1080Ti around the time mining was still pretty popular, but had not yet affected 1080Ti prices. That combined with my 980Ti maintaining good resale value because of mining, and having a couple hundred $$$ in Amazon gift cards made the upgrade a pretty easy decision. I will however, NOT be upgrading to a 20 series card.
My original plan was to hold out for the 20 series and build an entirely new box around it. However, the combination of RAM pricing and the absurd 20 series pricing has put a halt to those plans. I'm not terribly bummed out, I didn't "need" an upgrade, but I was getting the itch and I missed the "new PCB smell" nVidia did a good job of putting a damper on my excitement. The price is almost insulting. Nearly double the price for only half the performance improvement we are used to seeing from generation to generation.
Things have changed.
I did end up buying a 1080Ti around the time mining was still pretty popular, but had not yet affected 1080Ti prices. That combined with my 980Ti maintaining good resale value because of mining, and having a couple hundred $$$ in Amazon gift cards made the upgrade a pretty easy decision. I will however, NOT be upgrading to a 20 series card.
My original plan was to hold out for the 20 series and build an entirely new box around it. However, the combination of RAM pricing and the absurd 20 series pricing has put a halt to those plans. I'm not terribly bummed out, I didn't "need" an upgrade, but I was getting the itch and I missed the "new PCB smell" nVidia did a good job of putting a damper on my excitement. The price is almost insulting. Nearly double the price for only half the performance improvement we are used to seeing from generation to generation.
Getting a used 1080Ti that was mined on should be the least of your worries. 1080Ti's weren't even popular for mining until very late in the game, and that only lasted a few months before the market took a shit and stabilized at levels that became unprofitable for most people.
Also have a 1080Ti and game @ 4k 60Hz. Tempted to upgrade but I can't justify $1200 for a new card.
If I do find another blower 1080Ti for cheap ($400 or so) I might grab it just to fool around with SLI a bit. Probably not.
I still can't get over the fact that GPUs are $1200 now.
If I do find another blower 1080Ti for cheap ($400 or so) I might grab it just to fool around with SLI a bit. Probably not.
I still can't get over the fact that GPUs are $1200 now.
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2080 is sitting around $1,200 here. So a used 1080ti for $500 less is a no-brainer.
A $1200 2080 non-Ti? Wow. A regular 2080 outperforms a 1080 Ti.
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Which locale of pesos is that?
I haven't read the thead, so yeah I'm ignorant of what's been said.
However, I own a 1080tiFE that I converted to a Hybrid cooler. I was considering the 2080, but I consider this NEW generation a "1.15x side grade". Yeah it's faster, but NOT enough to justify the $$$ IMO. Other's may disagree, and to each their own IMO. For my use and games, it just doesn't make sense to "upgrade". Forget about the 2080ti as that is crazy $$$. I think Nvidia got a little fat/lazy this cycle. AMD is AFK and the smaller node has been pushed back forever. Mining craze had them thinking they could charge way more. Great company and products! But a little full of themselves this round IMO.
However, I own a 1080tiFE that I converted to a Hybrid cooler. I was considering the 2080, but I consider this NEW generation a "1.15x side grade". Yeah it's faster, but NOT enough to justify the $$$ IMO. Other's may disagree, and to each their own IMO. For my use and games, it just doesn't make sense to "upgrade". Forget about the 2080ti as that is crazy $$$. I think Nvidia got a little fat/lazy this cycle. AMD is AFK and the smaller node has been pushed back forever. Mining craze had them thinking they could charge way more. Great company and products! But a little full of themselves this round IMO.
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Inform yourself about the large part of the die on these GPUs that is dedicated to ray tracing. That is a good reason to charge what they're charging, and it's not indicative of being 'fat/lazy'. That's hard innovation. They put out a new architecture, and while they could have made it significantly faster, they're taking a risk instead by putting ray tracing into their consumer lineup.
Now, I won't claim that it's a great buy from a price/performance perspective, especially if you're on a 1080Ti like we are- but I get why they're pricing 2080Ti higher.
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A huge portion of the die dedicated to vaporware at worst and underperforming first-gen silicon at best. There's no reason to believe from what limited info they've allowed out that ray tracing will perform acceptably at 4K, which is why you'd buy a $1,200 GPU in the first place. What you call hard innovation, I call hard pass.
I think what has really happened here is the normal x80 Ti buyers are pissed because they're used to getting TITAN-level power for about $400-$500 cheaper. All of the usual TITAN-buyers are snapping up 2080 TI's and not understanding why people are all up in arms with wanting the best for whatever price there is.
I think NVIDIA saw what happened last time when they dropped the 1080 - everyone bought one. Then they dropped the TITAN - the normal TITAN buyers dropped their 1080s for the new card. Then they dropped the 1080 Ti and the rest that didn't upgrade and wanted best bang/buck went for it. This way they get the TITAN people twice but for more money.
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I think what has really happened here is the normal x80 Ti buyers are pissed because they're used to getting TITAN-level power for about $400-$500 cheaper. All of the usual TITAN-buyers are snapping up 2080 TI's and not understanding why people are all up in arms with wanting the best for whatever price there is.
I think NVIDIA saw what happened last time when they dropped the 1080 - everyone bought one. Then they dropped the TITAN - the normal TITAN buyers dropped their 1080s for the new card. Then they dropped the 1080 Ti and the rest that didn't upgrade and wanted best bang/buck went for it. This way they get the TITAN people twice but for more money.
I think this is exactly the case. Titan buyers are like, “wooohooooo decent coolers!!!” Bahahhaha. I don’t think the 2080ti will ever drop to the prices people want because the bom cost is so much more than the 1080ti.
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If there was actual competition I'm almost certain they would.
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I need to highlight this: you just referred to the market-leading 2080Ti as underperforming relative to a hypothetical product.
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Nah, they have no competition.
If Navi would *and it won't* exceed 2080TI performance levels, plus sell for $600, you bet that the green team would drop the price in half, or whatever is deemed necessary to continue to move product.
However this is not on the horizon until 2020/2021 at the earliest, so in the meantime we can enjoy sky high prices while Nvidia can enjoy record profits.
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Yes that is correct, and if you've ever bought a first-gen Apple product you'll know why it's actually a real consideration.
I'm not interested in paying Nvidia's R&D bill for a feature that isn't ready and may not even be usable this hardware generation.
Also -- "market leading?" Nvidia is the market leader of a feature that doesn't exist yet but you can still pay for. LOL. Did you preorder Battlefield 5 too?
Quality control and demand are two different things.