NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

I am actually looking into buying a new ncase and building a new system, only piece I would move over would be my 1080ti sc2. But that card seems to get pretty hot.
What is the go to setup right now? I like the idea of a big window, but not sure. Would rather just a system that doesn't make me scared to touch it when playing stuff. Currently have a h100 crammed into the ncase m1, it is so big, really doesnt give me much to work with space wise. So I do not think I want to go back to that.

So any suggestions on builds? I am thinking about the new intel chip that will be dropping later this week, atleast I think it is this week. I have a microcenter i drive by 10 times a week atleast, so I should be able to atleast get a better price then the normal retail.

Will be upgrading for a 4770k, asrock z87e-i , 16gb ddr 3 ballistix , h100i, msata drive, silverstone sfx 600g.

So far I am thinking about the adata xs8200 9xxgb m.2 and using my 1080ti sc2. That is about as far as I have made it.
 
Hi

I am about to buy a new aio for my ncase but I am somewhat undecided , I had a cooler Master nepton m who did fit really well

I tried a fractal design celsius s24 but this one didn't fit that well

right now I am looking at a kraken X52 and a corsair h100i pro, I think the kraken should fit well there is a YouTube video with it in it, will the h100i pro also fit well in this case ?

If someone could help me decide ore have some other ideas I would be happy
 
Grendell said:
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I am about to buy a new aio for my ncase but I am somewhat undecided , I had a cooler Master nepton m who did fit really well

I tried a fractal design celsius s24 but this one didn't fit that well

right now I am looking at a kraken X52 and a corsair h100i pro, I think the kraken should fit well there is a YouTube video with it in it, will the h100i pro also fit well in this case ?

If someone could help me decide ore have some other ideas I would be happy
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Looks like H100i pro would fit as it also has rotatable fitting on the CPU block. Don't know for sure though.
 
I bought the H100i pro, at first I wanted to buy the kraken than I read it is a little bit loud without the software
 
vortaku said:
Gaming, on way to 4k, 2k gaming atm
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Sounds like youre leaning high end. 8700k is an excellent gaming cpu. 8086k if you’re feeling generous. Or get that new 9900k/ 9700k. C14S for cooling.
Your SFF case is always going to be warm under heavy loads, or long gaming sessions.
 
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Nanook said:
Sounds like youre leaning high end. 8700k is an excellent gaming cpu. 8086k if you’re feeling generous. Or get that new 9900k/ 9700k. C14S for cooling.
Your SFF is always going to be warm under heavy loads, or long gaming sessions.
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Is the c14s pretty much the best for the ncase?
 
vortaku said:
Gaming, on way to 4k, 2k gaming atm
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So, if you are not into high refresh rates, your GPU will be the limiting component in your system for most of the games. I have to fire a 21:9 Monitor with a little below 4K resolution, run games with highest details possible and know what I am talking about.
There are some CPU intensive games, where my CPU gets under load (Planet Coaster for example), but most games I play are more GPU intensive and my CPU is relaxing (6700K). After moving from water-cooling to air-cooling, I am thinking about getting a new CPU, mainly because of the soldered heat spreader of the Intel 9000 series. When I get one, I think I'll get the 9600K, because I guess the up in price is not worth it over the 9700K. But I will wait for reviews, especially for the heat part. It may turn out they needed to solder it only to get heat down to a level we are used with the non-soldered Intel CPUs.
I have to add, that I'm cooling my CPU with a Noctua L12S with a third party fan on top for visual reasons. I installed the window side panel. CPU temperatures could be better, but I can live with them under gaming load. I will not throw anything harder to calculate on the CPU than games. I have read about someone having the window and a Nocuta C14S with the fan below blowing towards the window, making good experience with the setup. Like me he had the Accelero III with custom fans below pushing the GPU heat out of the case.
If you dump your GPU heat into the case, I really recommend a CPU cooler, that helps exhausting hot air instead of swirling it.
 
I've been out of the NCASE M1 scene for a while so please be easy on me!

I fancy an upgrade from my GTX 970 to an RTX 1070 for G-Sync gaming 1440p at 165 Hz.
Which RTX 2070 should I go for?

I'm more interested in these 3 things in the RTX 2070...
Size - So that it fit's in my NCASE M1, I'm aware that I can't have the RTX 2070 too tall
Cooling - Not sure if I should have a 2 fan or a 3 fan RTX 2070. I only have a small rear case fan pulling air out of my NCASE M1
Sound - I don't want it sounding too loud whilst gaming!

Any help much appreciated!
 
Anybody remembers what RAM config that is able to run with a C14? If I go for a G.Skill TridentZ RGB kit, does that mean I cannot have a >92mm (bigger than) fan underneath the C14?

I am planning on having the new ASUS Z390-I board with a 9900K so I need plenti of cooling. It will be two 120mm fans side by side on the side panel (Noctua A12X25 PWN) and would like a A12X25 underneath also. But Will that colide with RAM then?.. And if so. Then what to go for? I have a hard time finding fast RAM with low profile (less than the 38mm noctua states).

But if one would go for the higher RAM and thus going for a 92mm fan. Would it be better with or without the 92mm underneath?.. the 92mm fan cannot move a lot of air, so doesn't that just break the air coming from the A12X25?
 
SmootyPoody said:
Anybody remembers what RAM config that is able to run with a C14? If I go for a G.Skill TridentZ RGB kit, does that mean I cannot have a >92mm (bigger than) fan underneath the C14?

I am planning on having the new ASUS Z390-I board with a 9900K so I need plenti of cooling. It will be two 120mm fans side by side on the side panel (Noctua A12X25 PWN) and would like a A12X25 underneath also. But Will that colide with RAM then?.. And if so. Then what to go for? I have a hard time finding fast RAM with low profile (less than the 38mm noctua states).

But if one would go for the higher RAM and thus going for a 92mm fan. Would it be better with or without the 92mm underneath?.. the 92mm fan cannot move a lot of air, so doesn't that just break the air coming from the A12X25?
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It depends if you want to use the window. I had a non-window setup with the C14 cooler, 120mm fan underneath, and two 120mm fans on the side bracket. All blowing “downwards” towards motherboard. The 120mm fan fit with Vengeance LPX ram. From my experience, the 120mm underneath wasn’t all that impactful.
With window, your only option with to mount a fan underneath. Which means you’ll end up with a 120mm fan blowing sway from motherboard, and LPX ram. Taller ram requires a 92mm fan, and you’re really not taking advantage of the whole C14 heatsink. Why not go with something smaller then?
 
vortaku said:
Is the c14s pretty much the best for the ncase?
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If you're going with the window then I would recommend a U9S with a 92mm rear intake and a 92mm fan on the right of the sink blowing towards the front of the case with an Accelero on your SC2 and two 120's exhausting. This is the best cooling you will get with the stock layout of the M1.

If you want to potentially(likely) run into compatibility issues for around a 7c temp reduction then you can go with a C14s setup with fan mounted under the sink blowing towards the glass (ram height is an issue, usb 3.0 connector might be an issue, sata cables might be an issue, PSU needs to be mounted in the ATX position using the bracket or tape) 92mm rear intake, Accelero on your SC2 with two 120's exhausting.

I went with the C14s because I think the massive sink looks dope, and I didn't mind the challenge of getting everything to fit. The U9S is plug and play, super easy, cools great and looks good too. You can't go wrong with the U9S. So many things can go wrong with the C14s.
 
I'm up and running with an EVGA 2080 XC in my NCASE. Hitting 45-60fps maxed out in the Witcher 3 on my 5820K.

My little NCASE gets toasty! I've also noticed my SF600 has a bearing rattle under load which is annoying. I got rid of my SX500LG for different noise related reasons. Tempted to try the Noctua mod on mine but that seems to produce mixed results with the different spinup voltage.

I have the C14 on my 5820K with a 140mm fan on top and a 120mm fan underneath on the motherboard side. They're both pulling air outside the case and pushing it toward the motherboard. Underneath the 2080 I have a single 140mm fan. The SF600 is oriented with the fan drawing air from outside the case. It seems to flow out the top of the PSU.

I'm wondering how temps would be with the 2080 Ti.

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Intuition says a rear 92mm exhaust fan would help clear the hot air quicker. I’m curious to know how much impact it has in practice
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Not a bad thought. Since the C14 is pushing air toward the motherboard, the hot air doesn't have a direct route out of the case. A rear exhaust fan might be really helpful. If I decide to do it I'll post some before and after temps.
 
Shottie said:
If you're going with the window then I would recommend a U9S with a 92mm rear intake and a 92mm fan on the right of the sink blowing towards the front of the case with an Accelero on your SC2 and two 120's exhausting. This is the best cooling you will get with the stock layout of the M1.

If you want to potentially(likely) run into compatibility issues for around a 7c temp reduction then you can go with a C14s setup with fan mounted under the sink blowing towards the glass (ram height is an issue, usb 3.0 connector might be an issue, sata cables might be an issue, PSU needs to be mounted in the ATX position using the bracket or tape) 92mm rear intake, Accelero on your SC2 with two 120's exhausting.

I went with the C14s because I think the massive sink looks dope, and I didn't mind the challenge of getting everything to fit. The U9S is plug and play, super easy, cools great and looks good too. You can't go wrong with the U9S. So many things can go wrong with the C14s.
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whats this accelero I keep seeing y'all post about? the 120s ya speak of are just two regular 120s? what is the best two to use for that?
I may get the u9s and see what my temps are like, can always upgrade later.
 
pendragon1 said:
yay, another no shit moment....
I was responding to the " having an exhaust might be useful" remark.
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So salty...

vortaku said:
whats this accelero I keep seeing y'all post about? the 120s ya speak of are just two regular 120s? what is the best two to use for that?
I may get the u9s and see what my temps are like, can always upgrade later.
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Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM are the fans you want...
 
pendragon1 said:
yay, another no shit moment....
I was responding to the " having an exhaust might be useful" remark.
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I don’t have a M1. Sure, it seems pretty obvious that an exhaust will help, but I’d prefer not to be another internet forum poster talking out of his ass without having hands on experience.

How much does that 92mm fan help? 5 degrees, 10 degrees, more? If you’re able to do some quick tests with that fan disabled vs running at a reasonable rpm I’d love to know the impact
 
teo said:
I don’t have a M1. Sure, it seems pretty obvious that an exhaust will help, but I’d prefer not to be another internet forum poster talking out of his ass without having hands on experience.

How much does that 92mm fan help? 5 degrees, 10 degrees, more? If you’re able to do some quick tests with that fan disabled vs running at a reasonable rpm I’d love to know the impact
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that inifo is already in this thread.
 
This is generally a friendly, helpful and informative thread, so I don't see why you need to be a tube here.
 
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I don’t have a M1. Sure, it seems pretty obvious that an exhaust will help, but I’d prefer not to be another internet forum poster talking out of his ass without having hands on experience.

How much does that 92mm fan help? 5 degrees, 10 degrees, more? If you’re able to do some quick tests with that fan disabled vs running at a reasonable rpm I’d love to know the impact
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I don't recall off-hand how much it helps, but my foggy memory is that it's only a few degrees Celsius. However, recently we've seen M1 owners with the window side panel use a rear 92 mm fan as the intake for their CPU cooler, such as the NH-U9S, and it's adequate for that purpose.

For the discontinued Noctua NH-C14 CPU cooler there was not enough room for a 25 mm thick case so a thin 92 mm fan had to be used. For the new NH-C14S I believe a full 25 mm thick fan will fit so this should be more effective than a thin fan, all other factors being equal.

I find it really interesting how the original intent of many of the fan locations have been reversed, as needed by component and layout choices, and still adequate cooling has been achieved with the M1. It truly is a very flexible case.
 
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I don’t have a M1. Sure, it seems pretty obvious that an exhaust will help, but I’d prefer not to be another internet forum poster talking out of his ass without having hands on experience.

How much does that 92mm fan help? 5 degrees, 10 degrees, more? If you’re able to do some quick tests with that fan disabled vs running at a reasonable rpm I’d love to know the impact
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Over time, from my own personal experience, with a windowed setup- having more exhaust (via bottom 2x120 fans), is better cooling in general. Single rear intake with twin bottom exhaust is best.

For a stock GPU, the bottom fans need to be set as intake, and therefore the rear fan needs to be exhaust. But the system will run warmer overall than with twin bottom exhaust. If there is no rear exhaust at all, I find that my system will start cooking after 15 minutes under full load. The CPU recirculates internal hot air, and the bottom fans really only getting cool air into the gpu. The gpu remains cool, but the cpu will be +10c or even more.
 
Nanook said:
Over time, from my own personal experience, with a windowed setup- having more exhaust (via bottom 2x120 fans), is better cooling in general. Single rear intake with twin bottom exhaust is best.

For a stock GPU, the bottom fans need to be set as intake, and therefore the rear fan needs to be exhaust. But the system will run warmer overall than with twin bottom exhaust. If there is no rear exhaust at all, I find that my system will start cooking after 15 minutes under full load. The CPU recirculates internal hot air, and the bottom fans really only getting cool air into the gpu. The gpu remains cool, but the cpu will be +10c or even more.
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My personal tests confirm this 100% - couldn't have said it better.
 
If you’re using vented side cover, you have more options of exhausting warm air.
- 2x120mm bottom intake with 2x120mm side exhaust will work, but still warmer than...
- 2x120mm side intake with 2x120mm bottom exhaust. Difference is about 5-10c
 
pendragon1 said:
no shit...
half this thread is talking about how to get the heat out...
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Sorry you're having a bad day, but nothing in your last few posts has been constructive. It's an almost 700 page thread. Some things are going to get repeated. It's not a big deal.
 
Epos7 said:
Sorry you're having a bad day, but nothing in your last few posts has been constructive. It's an almost 700 page thread. Some things are going to get repeated. It's not a big deal.
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not having a bad day and same goes for your reply. why do people feel the need to snarkily defend the person I responded to and then get upset again when I reply to them in kind? they dont seem to have taken any offence. there is a search button to make sure you are reposting. your new here so you haven't had a chance to grow tired of people repeating things instead of using the search button. this thread is filled with: "im gonna put the hottest parts in here and its gonna be awesome! wtf?! why are my temps high?!" same for most the sff case threads. oh and its not the case's fault.
 
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not having a bad day and same goes for your reply. why do people feel the need to snarkily defend the person I responded to and then get upset again when I reply to them in kind? they dont seem to have taken any offence. there is a search button to make sure you are reposting. your new here so you haven't had a chance to grow tired of people repeating things instead of using the search button. this thread is filled with: "im gonna put the hottest parts in here and its gonna be awesome! wtf?! why are my temps high?!" same for most the sff case threads. oh and its not the case's fault.
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Person who posts "no shit" comments thinks other people are being snarky...
 
Epos7 said:
Person who posts "no shit" comments thinks other people are being snarky...
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missing the point. I wasn't responding to you so why are you defending/replying? yeah I was a bit snarky in my first response, no offence was intended and they didnt seem offended but you seem to be for some reason.
 
pendragon1 said:
missing the point. I wasn't responding to you so why are you defending/replying? yeah I was a bit snarky in my first response, no offence was intended and they didnt seem offended but you seem to be for some reason.
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Their exhaust fan suggestion was in reply to my post. Not offended, just bemused.

Anyway, I didn't need an exhaust fan with my setup before. I have the original C14, and as Qrash mentioned there's not enough room for a regular size 92mm fan, but a slim one should fit. I think I'll give it a shot.
 
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