3770K to 2700 or 2700X?

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So, my 3770K rig is getting a bit long in the tooth and I keep waffling back and forth on whether to upgrade it or not. It's primarily used for gaming, with the occasional video edit and I'm just not entirely sure there would be enough of a performance increase just yet.

What I've got now:

i7-3770k, overclocked to 4.4GHz on water. If I wanted to mess with it, I could probably get a little higher, but I've got one core that runs quite a bit hotter than the others, and I don't feel like ripping the thing apart and fixing the TIM.
32GB of DDR3-2400. I don't need 32GB, but it was on sale.
GTX-1070
40" 4K TV doing monitor duty.

I'm considering stepping up to a Ryzen 2700 or 2700X, depending on how lazy I'm feeling about overclocking it myself. Also considering 16GB of DDR4-3200, and probably an X470 board, m.2 SSD, and possibly a second 1070 and using SLI.

I'm starting to notice some of my games struggling a bit, but I'm not sure if it's processor or GPU. I suspect the latter, since I've only recently switched from 2K to 4K for the display.

With that out of the way, has anyone out there made this upgrade, or something similar?
Is there enough of a boost to justify the cost, or would it be a waste of money?
If you were in the same boat, would you pull the trigger or continue waiting?

That would be an interesting article to see alongside the multigenerational GPU ones they're doing right now. Compare the last few generations of CPUs in a similar manner....
 
Assuming you're actually gaming at 4K, then your limiting factor is likely still the GPU. Not to say that you don't get CPU related hitches or dips in performance, but your average framerate is still likely GPU limited.

I would avoid SLI; the scaling can be pretty poor, and it's flat out not supported in a bunch of games. The concept of SLI fucks with things like temporal anti aliasing which is also super popular. If you need more GPU, I'd sell the 1070 and pick up a 1080 Ti; I personally had a 1070 SLI setup and swapped to a single 1080 Ti and wouldn't look back.

Now, all of that said, that's not to say that the 2700 wouldn't be an improvement over the 3770k, because it would, especially overclocked. 4 extra cores are helpful in many modern games, plus the presumably faster RAM. Whether it's your *most efficient* use of upgrade dollars, well, that's probably load dependent.

RAM is still stupid price; I'd do the GPU upgrade and move to Zen 2 or whatever Intel's 9th gen shit shapes out to be in mid to late 2019, when hopefully RAM prices have dropped a bit.
 
If you just switched from 2K to 4K, then your GTX 1070 is definitely the issue.

I'd hold on to your CPU for another year to see how things "shake out" (Zen2 sounds like its gonna be a BIG jump) and upgrade your video card in the mean-time.
 
Runnning SLI MSI Gaming X 1070s, let me tell you that the that actually support SLI are few and far between. Also on average the second card might scale up to 40-50%, sometimes low 30%, other times I needed to disbale SLI to get a game to work properly. Very few games actually give 70-90% increase...

If you can swing it, sell the 1070 and use that towards a 1080 ti.

My opinion.
 
Hakaba said:
Runnning SLI MSI Gaming X 1070s, let me tell you that the that actually support SLI are few and far between. Also on average the second card might scale up to 40-50%, sometimes low 30%, other times I needed to disbale SLI to get a game to work properly. Very few games actually give 70-90% increase...

If you can swing it, sell the 1070 and use that towards a 1080 ti.

My opinion.
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This was my exact experience, and is exactly why I swapped to a 1080 Ti and sold my 1070 SLI pair.
 
CommandoSnake said:
Ryzen will be a side grade if anything for gaming.

Either get a 8700k or upgrade your GPU and save up for the 9900k
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Seconded/thirded upgrade the GPU.

The Ryzen will absolutely be faster than a 3770k at many things, but gaming won't be one of them, not nearly as much as the cost incurred.

If you feel that you need faster, start with a GPU and wait for the CPU. Intel has more, faster cores coming and AMD (hopefully) has faster cores coming.
 
Slight thread resurrection. Not coincidental to the 2070 coming out at all. :)

So the 1080Ti is out of the cards at the moment. I just don't want to spend that much on a new video card unless it's absolutely necessary to play my games at 4k. Most of my games are older, non-AAA stuff, Fortresscraft Evolved, Transport Fever, MWO, Surviving Mars, to name a few. Kinda burned out on first person shooters. Newest game I've got is Star Control Origins, but I'm not sure that puts as much of a load on my system as some of the other stuff I play. I also do occasional video encoding, but not very frequently.

So these are the options I see for myself, in the budget I have set:
  • Get a Vega 56 and mod it with the Vega 64 BIOS, hoping I can get one with Samsung memory, then squirrel the money I saved away for my future upgrade of the entire system. ($399.99 after rebate)
  • Vega 64, which, from what I've read seems to do well at 4K and I've got the 1000W PSU from when I ran the R9 290X($509.99 after rebate)
  • GTX 1080 seems to be a marginal upgrade from the current 1070. ($469.99 after rebate)
  • RTX 2070. Yeah, it's the newest, but..... It's also the newest.($549.99)
These aren't the cheapest options for each model of card, and the cheapest 1080Ti on Newegg currently comes in at $699. Which do you suppose would give the most bang for the buck?
 
The TV you game on is 4K...
Anything less than a 1080ti (($525 used ebay) is best suited for 1440P or under gaming.
At 4.4Ghz on your 3770K you are better off buying a 4k GPU first.
AMD 7nm Ryzen should be out next year and you can decide on that or Intel 9900K in 2019.
 
Don't get anything short of a 1080 Ti for 4K gaming. Even 1 1080 Ti isn't enough for me.

So either look for a used 1080 Ti or wait for a sale on a 2080.
 
CommandoSnake said:
What FPS are you targetting? If it's higher than 120, then your CPU will be the bottleneck or the SLI bridge.

In fact, why is your 8700 @ 4.6 ghz? Mine is running at 5.1 using a moderately cheap air cooler..
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I play more than one game.
 
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