Intel Launches New Desktop Processors

Intel is rolling out several different 9000 series chips at multiple market segments including eventually that refrigerator cooled 28 core LG3647 socket chip.
 
My current gaming PC is a 4770K and 1080Ti. Last January I bought a new 8700K and Gigabyte Aorus Z370 board, Ram, SD, etc but never put it together. I'm thinking about getting a 2080Ti (I game in 4K) and was wondering if I should finish the build or sell off the 8700K and Z370 board, both of which have never been opened, or upgrade again to 9900K and maybe use the Z370 board or get a new Z390 board.
 
Formula.350 said:
My point is, basically, that they said they'd bring that to market. It's not here.
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Honestly not sure why they did the demo.

Desperation?

In any case, it's definitely not here, and even if it were, it wouldn't be competing for the type of performance we're looking for with the 9900k, that being top-end single-core performance backed up by competent multi-threading on an accessible consumer platform.
 
skates15 said:
My current gaming PC is a 4770K and 1080Ti. Last January I bought a new 8700K and Gigabyte Aorus Z370 board, Ram, SD, etc but never put it together. I'm thinking about getting a 2080Ti (I game in 4K) and was wondering if I should finish the build or sell off the 8700K and Z370 board, both of which have never been opened, or upgrade again to 9900K and maybe use the Z370 board or get a new Z390 board.
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That's a hard one.

Long term, I'd say that swapping in the new platform would likely provide better performance for your money, but short term, the 2080Ti upgrade would probably be faster.

So it depends on how much you want to spend in the nearish future. The 8700k will last you a long, long time.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
That's a hard one.

Long term, I'd say that swapping in the new platform would likely provide better performance for your money, but short term, the 2080Ti upgrade would probably be faster.

So it depends on how much you want to spend in the nearish future. The 8700k will last you a long, long time.
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I'd like to squeeze every frame out of the 2080Ti, so was thinking about the upgrade. Plus, once I actually finish the build, it's going to last a few years since I'm going with custom water loop. I may just upgrade the CPU and keep the Z370 MB.
 
skates15 said:
My current gaming PC is a 4770K and 1080Ti. Last January I bought a new 8700K and Gigabyte Aorus Z370 board, Ram, SD, etc but never put it together. I'm thinking about getting a 2080Ti (I game in 4K) and was wondering if I should finish the build or sell off the 8700K and Z370 board, both of which have never been opened, or upgrade again to 9900K and maybe use the Z370 board or get a new Z390 board.
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According to Anandtech there is basically almost no difference between the Z390 and Z370 boards. Here are the differences according to their table:

Max USB 3.1 (Gen2/Gen1): 6/10 0/10
Integrated 802.11ac WiFi MAC: Y N
Integrated SDXC (SDA 3.0) Support Y N
ME Firmware: 12 11

Almost all of these improvements are basically irrelevant to gaming. I personally wouldn't buy a new board just for a few more USB 3.1 slots, an integrated wireless card, and an integrated SD card reader... Then you have to consider that the 390 series is the last board in the two board set (370 and 390) that are both good for only the 8th and 9th generations. The generation after that will require a new board altogether so I don't really think that long term swapping to the new Z390 platform will provide better value at all. I would just keep the mobo and upgrade the CPU (higher clocks and soldered TIM).
 
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piratepress said:
Ivy Bridge at 4.6 here, so I believe it's time also since Ice Lake isn't forecast until 2020.
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Ivey Bridge here also, dying for an upgrade and think it might be time! Anyone have a clue when the NDA is up? Probably on the release date but kind of hoped before as itching to see some real numbers.
 
Hagrid said:
So are these just higher binned 8700k's?
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No, not exactly. The i7 9700k is 8 cores/8 threads vs 6C/12T for the 8700k. Its also higher clocked as you mentioned and should perform just slightly better but we need to wait for benchmarks in 11 days to know the specifics.. Same way that the i5 8600k has 6C/6T and slightly outperformed the i7 7700k which had 4C/8T.
 
GreenOrbs said:
According to Anandtech there is basically almost no difference between the Z390 and Z370 boards. Here are the differences according to their table:

Max USB 3.1 (Gen2/Gen1): 6/10 0/10
Integrated 802.11ac WiFi MAC: Y N
Integrated SDXC (SDA 3.0) Support Y N
ME Firmware: 12 11

Almost all of these improvements are basically irrelevant to gaming. I personally wouldn't buy a new board just for a few more USB 3.1 slots, an integrated wireless card, and an integrated SD card reader... Then you have to consider that the 390 series is the last board in the two board set (370 and 390) that are both good for only the 8th and 9th generations. The generation after that will require a new board altogether so I don't really think that long term swapping to the new Z390 platform will provide better value at all. I would just keep the mobo and upgrade the CPU (higher clocks and soldered TIM).
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Yep, you are right, was just reviewing. I have an Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7 MB, which includes Soundblaster X 720 and a few other features that the Z390 variant doesn't. I'm sticking with my Z370 and upgrading the CPU, selling my 8700K, Rocket Delidd tool and liquid metal, all unopened.

Thanks and one star for you.
 
skates15 said:
I'd like to squeeze every frame out of the 2080Ti, so was thinking about the upgrade. Plus, once I actually finish the build, it's going to last a few years since I'm going with custom water loop. I may just upgrade the CPU and keep the Z370 MB.
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I can say that both of my ASRock boards got updates months ago for the 9-series; at worst, only overclocking would be affected.
 
Advil said:
Wait, that says the 9900k is 3.6 base, 4.7 turbo and 2 core 5GHz.

Why is the "base" so low at 3.6? How hard is it already being pushed to go 4.7 all core turbo? Sounds suspiciously like the numbers we can all reach now with just about any 8700k.

Typically 4.7 is just about every 8700k, 4.8 requires a little thought on voltages and temps and going for 5+ requires substantial extra voltage, huge cooling and can almost never run AVX with all cores at that speed.

Admittedly, it's doing it with 2 more cores, which is great but how much headroom is left? I guess if almost all the chips will do 5GHz on all 8 cores with AVX on then it'll be a winner. Anything short of that and it'll be right on top of the 8700k on performance and not worth the extra price.

By extra price I mean the price the 8700k SHOULD be going for, $360 vs $488.

The 9700k is hard to get excited about at all. The price is good but the loss of HT makes it a lot less desirable flagship for both desktop responsiveness and games.
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HEAT!
 
cyberguyz said:
IINM Ryzen + X370/X470 has less PCIe 3.0 lanes. For your multi-use desktop I wouldn't really be fussy about ECC. I personally have never found a need for it. If you are building a workstation or server, then yeah, ECC is pretty much a must. But for a desktop socket 1151 box, not so much.
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for what intel is charging you can get a threadripper
 
They're pretty decent cpu's I think. Expensive but AMD's offerings won't be quite as fast in either IPC or max clock. Next year should be fun with Rome, 7nm, and intel's 10nm (assuming they can get their crap together).
 
andrewaggb said:
They're pretty decent cpu's I think. Expensive but AMD's offerings won't be quite as fast in either IPC or max clock. Next year should be fun with Rome, 7nm, and intel's 10nm (assuming they can get their crap together).
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I've been saying that about 10nm Intel for the past two years.
 
Gigantopithecus said:
Between a $1,200 2080 Ti and $500 9900K, a top-end gaming PC this generation is a lot more expensive than the previous generation (i.e., $300 8700K/2700X + $700 1080 Ti). An increase of $700 to go from solid 1440p gaming to solid 4K gaming, not even including the cost of the monitor? Yikes!
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Yikes! is right but it is a 225% increase in resolution. If we compare hardware for If we can get VR with 4K though, we can probably eliminate the screen door affect. So yeah, sans a VR headset or monitor, 4k gaming is $700 or so more than 1440p gaming. However, that's okay imo.

Honestly, when people went from 1024x768 to say 1920x1800 (which is a similar resolution increase), I bet the 'started' 1080p systems to run say Quake 3 at 1080p vs 1024x768 resolution, was probably $700 more. I'm not entirely certain as my memory is fading me but I feel that ancient video cards at that point in time were, even though, I probably owned both. ATI Radeon HD 4870x2 or $549USD (1080p steady 60 fps) vs ATI Radeon HD 3870 (Perfectly fine for 60 fps back in the day at 1024x768) for $189.99 USD (At end of life were the 1080TI is now). That's about what...double and a half the cost to go from 1024x768@60fps to 1920x1080@60fps?

Dollar for dollar, this increase is a lot more but comparing relative costs percentage wise, it doesn't seem so. The thing is, at like a 27" resolution or 32" monitor, I'm not confident that I'll be able to tell the difference between 4k and 8k or anything past 4k now. I feel like my eyes just aren't sufficient to notice the difference. Even on a 1080p laptop from 2' away that's 19", I find it hard to see an individual pixel in a letter. I have to get about 6" away. 4k on a 32" is pretty close to 1080p@19" so it should be fine as long as I'm not sitting 6" away. At least, for my own eyesight.

786,432 vs 2,073,600 = 263% and 3,686,400 (1440p) vs 8,294,400 (4k) = 225%.
 
skates15 said:
My current gaming PC is a 4770K and 1080Ti. Last January I bought a new 8700K and Gigabyte Aorus Z370 board, Ram, SD, etc but never put it together. I'm thinking about getting a 2080Ti (I game in 4K) and was wondering if I should finish the build or sell off the 8700K and Z370 board, both of which have never been opened, or upgrade again to 9900K and maybe use the Z370 board or get a new Z390 board.
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...OOOORRRRR, now hear me out...

You could donate those parts to someone like me rocking an I7 4770 NON-K on a Asus pre-built with a 1060 6GB and 16GB ram and a VERY SLOW HDD...

Just sayin'.

:D
 
Mid 2017 me would have been really excited about this.

Late 2018 me....

Not as much.

But at least our z370 boards have a bit of an upgrade path now. Which was unexpected, and a risk that we all took.

9900k and 9700k are nice processors.

Definitly a great upgrade for 7th Gen and earlier Intel builds.

But the AMD offerings are the most exciting.
 
Hagrid said:
So are these just higher binned 8700k's?
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Why would you say such a ridiculous thing? How could an 8 core 16 thread cpu be just a higher binned 6 core 12 thread cpu? Do you really not pay the least bit attention to tech? The 9900k as been talked about for months.
 
misterbobby said:
Why would you say such a ridiculous thing? How could an 8 core 16 thread cpu be just a higher binned 6 core 12 thread cpu? Do you really not pay the least bit attention to tech? The 9900k as been talked about for months.
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Yes, and no. I do not need to upgrade right now, so really have not looked into it much. Also more looked into the new AMD cpu's than anything. I don't need the extra few fps's from a Intel CPU that is way more expensive.
 
The price isn't amazing.

But:
8 Strong cores.
Soldered TIM.
Pricing is in line with previous generation but they don't really change the game a lot apart from soldered and offering higher tier parts on Lga115x.

it doesn't look like anything else have changed really, they've added two cores and maintained clocks which is possible due to the soldering and the 95W rating seems bogus like the 2700X so we should have max operating TDP too under best case cooling like watercooling for Both! cause now I have no clue other than the lowest frequency (3.6 or so on all cores = 95W)
 
Came for the “new”, left quickly because of the refresh of a refresh of a refresh...

Intel, your taking the piss, and I at least won’t even think of buying another one of your old, and constantly rebadged CPUs until you have full hardware fixes for all your major security issues in place. Buying a CPU which is advertised as 25% faster than my ancient Haswell CPU until you put new firmware on it, and a couple of OS patches which make it only 5% faster for $300 of my hard earn money is just not gonna happen.
 
Stimpy88 said:
Came for the “new”, left quickly because of the refresh of a refresh of a refresh...

Intel, your taking the piss, and I at least won’t even think of buying another one of your old, and constantly rebadged CPUs until you have full hardware fixes for all your major security issues in place. Buying a CPU which is advertised as 25% faster than my ancient Haswell CPU until you put new firmware on it, and a couple of OS patches which make it only 5% faster for $300 of my hard earn money is just not gonna happen.
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None of the high end parts are rebadges.
 
skates15 said:
I'd like to squeeze every frame out of the 2080Ti, so was thinking about the upgrade.
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I never understood this. The fps you're squeezing out with that is meaningless, placebo. It will be at places where the games are not GPU bound, meaning the least complex scenes, where you're probably already getting 100+ fps with a lesser cpu too. I don't know what resolution you're playing at but if it is more than 1080p, then 99% of the time the cpu will be waiting for the gpu in modern games.
 
profiled said:
:yawn:

LG3647 8C is more tempeting
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It really is, isn't it? 44 PCIE lanes, more USB 3.1 and freedom with board layout....

although the prices are quite high, the i7 9700K is a strong performer, the chipset is pretty strong too, very tempting to save a bit and go that way instead... move my Ryzen system to server/HT duties and call it a day for the next 4+ years.
 
Seems like I'm almost the only one exciting for these CPUs as I'm finally able to find an excuse for upgrading this piss poor 8600K sample (4.75GHz 1.31v, core 3 or 4 is significantly worse than the others, shutting down some cores and it goes a couple hundred MHz further without volt increase) to a 9700K. :) Granted it's more a physiological e-peen factor in my case, who wants to keep a 4.75GHz clock on 8 series CPU on this forum? ^^

I keep praying one day, one day I'll find be able to get at least one decent OC sample!
 
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This was in my inbox this morning
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haha holy FK

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Intel Z390 Disappointments:

* HDMI 1.4 - should be 2.0 since HDMI 1.4 came out in 2009, HDMI 2.0 came out in 2013, HDMI 2.1 was released in 2017

* Still just 24 lanes off the CPU (4NVME,4chipset,16GPU) some specs say just 16 lanes

* DDR4 2666 - should be 3200

* BIOS needs lots of work

* Utility CD instead of a USB thumb drive

* 9700k only 8-thread instead of 16

Why is it so expensive then?

 
hmz said:
Booo.. What is this 14nm from 2014? Intel needs to get with the times..
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Well Intel having issues going full EUV at the 10nm, could have gone with TSMC approach with a partial EUV at 7nm.
 
Shit loads of features too.

Like Spectre variants 1 2 and 3 and meltdown.

Also questionable performance loss from mitigation.
 
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