RTX2080 and RTX2080Ti Reviews online

I can't stop thinking when Jen Hsun was holding a RTX2080Ti and said the msrp was $499. People cheered like crazy. Had it been the real price of the 2080Ti we wouldn't be having this conversation. :rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D
 
mda said:
NON FE Prices for RTX cards on my side of the world, inclusive of tax and VAT:

Cheapest 2080 = 900$
ASUS STRIX 2080 = 1250$
Cheapest 2080Ti = 1300$
ASUS STRIX 2080Ti = 1750$

These aren't even FEs. Who are going to buy these?
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I don't think Nvidia took currency changes around the world into consideration.
 
mda said:
NON FE Prices for RTX cards on my side of the world, inclusive of tax and VAT:

Cheapest 2080 = 900$
ASUS STRIX 2080 = 1250$
Cheapest 2080Ti = 1300$
ASUS STRIX 2080Ti = 1750$

These aren't even FEs. Who are going to buy these?
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You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
 
Hell is the [H] review? Did you guys get put in the nvidia timeout box and not sent a card for early review? Sounds like something they would do after that last kerfuffle.
 
Just go buy PS4 or XBOX if you don't already have one, and buy Red Dead 2 when it comes out. That will hold you over till the next GPU iteration and will most likely be better than any PC game you could play in the meantime.
 
RamonGTP said:
You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
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Founders Edition is Nvidia's way of unilaterally raising the price of their cards while claiming a lower MSRP. "The MSRP of the GTX 1070 is $379. It's not our fault that all of them start at $449."
 
Yeah there is very little butt kissing going on in the reviews I have watched on YT. Most of the big names are saying don't buy it. I knew the minute the demo was out a month or two ago that current game performance would be a 20% increase at best compared to the 1080ti and said so in a few posts around that time. If they weren't hyping the performance of their cards compared to the 10 series during the demo and demanding ridiculous NDAs then you knew it was crap compared to what they were asking for price-wise for this new generation. The 2080ti is a $750 card at its current performance. It is at least 70% overpriced as is. Nvidia has gone the way of Apple and jacked up their prices and only provided a minimal amount of performance with the promise of innovation at some point in the future if game devs ever release anything to take advantage of it. I'd be tempted at $750 but am not even remotely leaning towards a purchase for anything more than that. I predict that by Christmas we might see more realistic pricing on these cards, particularly with crypto in the toilet.
 
Astrodave said:
It is at least 70% overpriced as is. Nvidia has gone the way of Apple and jacked up their prices and only provided a minimal amount of performance with the promise of innovation at some point in the future if game devs ever release anything to take advantage of it. I'd be tempted at $750 but am not even remotely leaning towards a purchase for anything more than that. I predict that by Christmas we might see more realistic pricing on these cards, particularly with crypto in the toilet.
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The size of the 2080 Ti die I'm thinking makes $750 impossible not to mention I doubt that nVidia could even make enough at that price to meet demand.
 
now that benchmarks are out do you guys think prices on used 1080 ti's will go higher? right now they are about $500.
 
Gabe3 said:
now that benchmarks are out do you guys think prices on used 1080 ti's will go higher? right now they are about $500.
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You mean used prices? Because new are more like $700. Unless the price of new 1080Ti's move, I wouldn't expect used ones to shift much.
 
Snowdog said:
You mean used prices? Because new are more like $700. Unless the price of new 1080Ti's move, I wouldn't expect used ones to shift much.
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I said used...

I like the idea of being able to sell my 1070 for 250 and upgrading to a 1080 ti for roughly $250.
 
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Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices they are asking. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, and that's even if AMD isn't there with any form of a competing product yet. I simply don't see folks wanting to dish out $800 for a 2080 that basically has the same performance as a 1080Ti. (It's not like you would even notice a ~3% increase) And the cost of the 2080Ti is pretty much bonkers given the ~35% performance increase @4K gaming and even less at normal gaming resolutions.
 
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Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices as they are. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, even if AMD isn't there with a competing product yet.
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I would expect the same. This might also be a deliberate move as they knew what reviews would say so they try to maximize profits from early adopters and will cut the price a fair bit next year, especially if AMD announces something competitive in the midrange.
 
RamonGTP said:
You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
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+1 for Nvidia.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices as they are. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, even if AMD isn't there with a competing product yet.
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I think for that to happen, a few things need to all happen first...
1) Remaining stock of Pascal is sold within the next 6 months, then:
2) 2 consecutive quarters of poor sales of Turing along with:
3) AMDs 7nm GPU being able to compete at flagship levels at a lower price

How many people think all 3 of these events will happen within the next 2 years? And I say 2 years because Nvidia will not release another product refresh in a year just to compete with themselves again and be left with a huge stock of unsold turings like now.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
And I say 2 years because Nvidia will not release another product refresh in a year just to compete with themselves again and be left with a huge stock of unsold turings like now.
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So Nvidia won't do what they did this time because they've done what they did this time before? Wouldn't it be a better bet to suggest that they WILL refresh another fresh in a year since they seem to keep doing it?
 
Does ATI have anything coming to compete with this ? A next gen Radeon card?

Sorry I mean AMD and whatever they call their high-end cards today?
 
Comixbooks said:
I don't think Nvidia took currency changes around the world into consideration.
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RamonGTP said:
You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
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Yes, but when the GTX 1070 and 1080 are priced at sane levels here... the prices are just crazy.
With Tax and VAT=
Cheapest 1070 = 317$
Cheapest 1080 = 490$
 
There's finally a V-Ray bench for the RTX 2080, and unfortunately it's not much faster than 780 Ti and barely better than a 1070 Ti considering the tech involved. Man that's disappointing to see, the only conclusion that could explain this low performance is that Chaosgroup needs to refine software for the tensor cores.
 
Supercharged_Z06 said:
Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices they are asking. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, and that's even if AMD isn't there with any form of a competing product yet. I simply don't see folks wanting to dish out $800 for a 2080 that basically has the same performance as a 1080Ti. (It's not like you would even notice a ~3% increase) And the cost of the 2080Ti is pretty much bonkers given the ~35% performance increase @4K gaming and even less at normal gaming resolutions.
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Can't happen, their margins will tank. They released way to large of a die for the consumer market. They said, "hey, you want ray tracing? you have to pay this huge premium we have to charge due to our die size" and i doubt many are willing to fork out that premium for some bling in their games. It's debatable if the IQ even improves. Certainly not across the board it won't, some of the examples that have been shown actually look worse with ray tracing while still costing a huge penalty in performance. Ray tracing doesn't have much of a chance if it is confined to the highest price point. This strategy might even kill ray tracing. The hardware won't be near powerful enough at the price point with any meaningful volume and developers aren't going to pour resources into a market that a few people will occupy. This is such a bad move by nvidia and it may give AMD the opening they're looking for.
 
Ski said:
There's finally a V-Ray bench for the RTX 2080, and unfortunately it's not much faster than 780 Ti and barely better than a 1070 Ti considering the tech involved. Man that's disappointing to see, the only conclusion that could explain this low performance is that Chaosgroup needs to refine software for the tensor cores.
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I don't think V-ray is using the tensor and RTX cores. Future update maybe?
 
Brent_Justice said:
Found this link on reddit, DLSS makes things blurrier?

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...idia-rtx-2080-founders-edition-8gb-review/13/

note this is from the benchmark, maybe in games it will be different....
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DLSS renders at a lower resolution (probably half res) and uses AI to upscale. It can be compared to PS4 Pro checkerboarding, except that instead of simply interpolating missing pixels it uses their DL algorithm to fill in the data.

Check page 40 on this PDF for details: https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/...ure/NVIDIA-Turing-Architecture-Whitepaper.pdf

So yeah, intuitively you will get a more blurry image as it only samples half the pixels (and the AI is not perfect).
 
To be honest, I think the 2080 Ti still looks good. I bought two, and the machine I'm upgrading has 1080 SLI, so the boost should be significant (plus we don't know yet how well NVLink works).

I agree the price is a gouge, but if you just want the very best I guess that is what it costs these days. The 2080 looks less great compared to the 1080 Ti, and without RT or DLSS games available, it doesn't look like a great value.

The name change also makes sense now. Releasing the 2080 as the 2080 Ti when it is barely better than the 1080 Ti would have been an embarrassment. I guess the current situation isn't much better, but at least there is some performance there for the Ti.

Last thing: I think someone here once said: "There are no bad graphics cards, only bad pricing." and I think that is apt. The 2080 Ti is still bar none the top dog. Performance is great, it's just the price... not so much.
 
if the numbers posted are correct, and I believe they are I have a question maybe someone can explain to me.
Everyone is shouting they want 4K HDR and 144hz monitors.
But most of the numbers I see, ALL?, say that none of these cards. OR ANY CARDS can do what they want monitors to do.

What am I missing?
 
I can't believe that Nvidia expected kyle to sign something. Hell X is hard....LOL


well its been fun...ban to follow LOL
 
cybereality said:
So yeah, intuitively you will get a more blurry image as it only samples half the pixels (and the AI is not perfect).
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Digital foundry and the article you quote seemed to think DLSS looked better than TAA. They found it renders at 1440p which is indeed slightly less than half and then upscales.

What I am curious about is whether this holds true in real gameplay where you can move around. Both of the DLSS demos have been with locked camera paths and settings designed to show off DLSS in the best light. There's simply not enough info right now to know if it works.

That said, I'm probably stepping up to a 2080 via the evga program. Due to ebay bucks and other discounts I'm getting 740 of step up value for $600 out of pocket. I can eat $10 + shipping and gamble that DLSS will be good. According to the website I might have to wait a few months for stock in the step up program but it doesn't look like there will be many RTX or DLSS games for a couple months yet so my new 1080 ti will do just fine. Kicking myself for not buying when 1080 tis were like $550 new but $600 isn't too bad.
 
GreenOrbs said:
Digital foundry and the article you quote seemed to think DLSS looked better than TAA. They found it renders at 1440p which is indeed slightly less than half and then upscales.

What I am curious about is whether this holds true in real gameplay where you can move around. Both of the DLSS demos have been with locked camera paths and settings designed to show off DLSS in the best light. There's simply not enough info right now to know if it works.

That said, I'm probably stepping up to a 2080 via the evga program. Due to ebay bucks and other discounts I'm getting 740 of step up value for $600 out of pocket. I can eat $10 + shipping and gamble that DLSS will be good. According to the website I might have to wait a few months for stock in the step up program but it doesn't look like there will be many RTX or DLSS games for a couple months yet so my new 1080 ti will do just fine. Kicking myself for not buying when 1080 tis were like $550 new but $600 isn't too bad.
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Why step up and pay more for pretty much the same performance? 2080 is pretty much the same as a 1080Ti. From what little we have seen with ray tracing it pretty much needs the power of the 2080Ti so your down to gambling DLSS is worth it.
 
Gideon said:
Why step up and pay more for pretty much the same performance? 2080 is pretty much the same as a 1080Ti. From what little we have seen with ray tracing it pretty much needs the power of the 2080Ti so your down to gambling DLSS is worth it.
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Step up is basically free insurance not a gamble (I misspoke). If I sign up for step up, I can simply wait and see. If DLSS is shit, I'll just cancel the step up. If its good I can pay $30 ($10 + shipping) a few months down the line and grab the 2080. Just need to sign up once my new card arrives to get in line.

Edit: Granted the EVGA cards don't look very appealing compared with the MSI ones this generation. I think the clear plastic looks cheap. Still, step up means that a cheap EVGA 1080 Ti if you can find it is the best thing to buy right now. You are protected from regret in case DLSS does end up turning out well and if its bad you can keep your 1080 ti with its better price per frame in existing games.
 
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GreenOrbs said:
Digital foundry and the article you quote seemed to think DLSS looked better than TAA. They found it renders at 1440p which is indeed slightly less than half and then upscales.
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Yeah, it does look great. I think it's amazing tech, don't get me wrong. Was just trying to shed some light on how it works.

This is a good video comparison.

 
great video, shows a big improvement in fps.
I could see some differences in the skyline but in everything else it was what we have needed for a long time.
Last time I checked I was not staring at city scapes but dodging bullets.
 
Legitreviews benchmarked Shadow of the Tomb Raider and the minimum for the 2080 Ti is 51, average 61 at 4K. With an OC or settings it could be modified to never drop below 60?
 
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