GeForce RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti Reviews

ChronoDetector said:
Horribly overpriced, not worth it.

That 30% on average increase over the GTX 1080 Ti just isn't worth the price, nor does it justify the insane pricing. If you want either a RTX 2080 or a 1080 Ti, probably wiser to get a 1080 Ti at this point, more VRAM and cheaper. That 8GB VRAM buffer for the RTX 2080 is rather unattractive at that price point.
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Yeah, for a 1-6% performance advantage in rasterized gaming, you're basically paying $100-150 extra for the promise of RTX farkle and losing 3GB of framebuffer in the process. Ouch.
 
Riccochet said:
Yup. And I've seen games use more than 8GB at 2K resolution. Like the COD Blackout beta was using around 9.5 GB. So, that may very well be the reason the 1080Ti is beating the 2080 in some games.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider (and likely SotTR) will exceed 9GB VRAM usage when run at 4k with high AA settings, and that's *without* supersampling. It's a thirsty son of a bitch.

Edit to add linky link:
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/29/rise_tomb_raider_graphics_features_performance/13
 
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TheSmJ said:
Well, it is the fastest gaming video card out there right now
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Yeah, I'm kind of mixed about this. I've got two 2080 Ti FEs on pre-order but I'm under no delusion that they are a good value but their 4k performance overall is better than anything else by about 1/3rd or so. So given the value proposition of the 2080 Ti I don't think it deserves this kind of recognition but yeah, it ain't slow either.
 
Look at it this way: this is your chance to own one of the last massive single GPUs from nvidia. From now on they'll have to figure out how to do things faster with less (unless people don't mind using 1200w PSUs in their budget gaming PCs). Surely the collector's value is high. ;)
 
Yes it is the fastest gaming card out there.

So was the 980ti at 649
So was the 1080ti at 699

The jump to 1200 is Titan territory and not “gaming “ card prices and is unprecedented for gaming cards. That’s where the hate comes from.

Yes the 2080ti is a compute/gaming card but the price hike is too much.

Still if you want the best single 4K card right now this is it. Pony up I guess.

Sticking to 1440p and 500 dollar or less cards for a while yet myself.
 
TheHig said:
So was the 980ti at 649
So was the 1080ti at 699
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Not exactly. The Titian Xp at $1200 was and still is a gaming card (nVidia still has it on their site) that was overall a bit faster than the 1080 Ti but yeah, there the price/performance ratio was really out of whack. $1200 isn't unprecedented from nVidia for a gaming card but is for something called a Ti. But the 2080 Ti die is so massive it's almost a full Turing anyway.
 
TheHig said:
Yes it is the fastest gaming card out there.

So was the 980ti at 649
So was the 1080ti at 699

The jump to 1200 is Titan territory and not “gaming “ card prices and is unprecedented for gaming cards. That’s where the hate comes from.

Yes the 2080ti is a compute/gaming card but the price hike is too much.

Still if you want the best single 4K card right now this is it. Pony up I guess.

Sticking to 1440p and 500 dollar or less cards for a while yet myself.
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I think the big thing is there is just no more space for a larger die. Because of that, nvidia simply can't release a titan version of their current line, so they increased the price to compensate. If the die is small enough with the next shrink, then we might see lower prices and a new Titan, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Nobu said:
I think the big thing is there is just no more space for a larger die. Because of that, nvidia simply can't release a titan version of their current line, so they increased the price to compensate. If the die is small enough with the next shrink, then we might see lower prices and a new Titan, but I'm not holding my breath.
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We get caught up on historical pricing but that's irrelevant to what it actually costs to make a part in the here and now. I'm sure nVidia understood that there was going to a lot of negative reaction to RTX 20x0 pricing. When it comes to the 2080 Ti at least, I doubt nVidia can make a ton of them and would never been able to keep up with demand at a $700 price point if that's even possible.
 
bugleyman said:
Sooo...

2080 = 1080TI
2080TI = 1080TI + 30%

This would be great...if the 2080 and 2080TI were $500 and $700, respectively. But they aren't, and it isn't.
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Actually, if you look at it historically by performance increase,

2080 = 1070
2080 Ti = 1080
New Series listing will = 1080 TI

They just accelerated the naming scheme to make it look like the TI series is the top tier card......I suspect a "better performance" card announcement in a few months. They typically release the TI edition a little bit after the initial release of the new series.
They are just pulling a marketing stunt.
Price is far overblown to be honest......looking at Guru of 3d review the TI series is faster in most games, and the 2080 matches the 1080 TI in performance in a lot of instances......so the price increase for the 2080 isn't really warranted for a upgrade from a TI especially when its such and large price increase.
 
Man, and these are the Nvidia approved reviews?

These cards are priced way too high for way too little gain.

The only possible saving grace would be in NVLink pulls a rabbit out of the hat and allows SLI turing cards to function as 1 single GPU.

If we were talking around 50% performance instead of 25% performance increase, I would be all over that. Money aside, I'm not tearing my loop down, ordering new water blocks and putting all that crap together for peanuts.
 
SomeoneElse said:
Actually, if you look at it historically by performance increase,

2080 = 1070
2080 Ti = 1080
New Series listing will = 1080 TI

They just accelerated the naming scheme to make it look like the TI series is the top tier card......I suspect a "better performance" card announcement in a few months. They typically release the TI edition a little bit after the initial release of the new series.
They are just pulling a marketing stunt.
Price is far overblown to be honest......looking at Guru of 3d review the TI series is faster in most games, and the 2080 matches the 1080 TI in performance in a lot of instances......so the price increase for the 2080 isn't really warranted for a upgrade from a TI especially when its such and large price increase.
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unfortunately, no. Look at the die size and compare it to the Quaddro. This is pretty much it.

edit: The only possible exception would be if in 3 months we see a non-RTX 2080ti. Nix those RT and Tensor cores and crank the Cuda cores up to 5200. But that would probably take a complete redesigning of the GPU and I have my doubts Nvidia is gonna spend that kind of scratch to re-release a GPU for less money.

Probably a lot cheaper for them to just drop the price on the 2080ti when it's just sitting on shelves collecting dust.
 
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DNMock said:
unfortunately, no. Look at the die size and compare it to the Quaddro. This is pretty much it.
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I'm not saying a new die change but, they will overclock or tweak something to get another iteration in there. I can't see them changing from what they have done for the past 5 years. Even if this is the case and you are correct. It still doesn't warrant a 300$ increase over price of the last gen cards. They are probably wanted to clear out the old inventory of 10xx series so the prices are inflated.....i know if i were about to get a new card i'd just buy the last gen cards because i'd save money and get nearly the same performance, 2080 to 1080 TI.
 
In the current market.? Yes at or near 500 on a good used 1080ti all day.

New AIB 1080s and Vega64s are that much.

1080ti is a nice bump in performance for the same price so.
 
TheHig said:
In the current market.? Yes at or near 500 on a good used 1080ti all day.

New AIB 1080s and Vega64s are that much.

1080ti is a nice bump in performance for the same price so.
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Yeah its the top of the line MSI and never been used for mining. That is great news thank you! I will try selling it.
 
heatlesssun said:
We get caught up on historical pricing but that's irrelevant to what it actually costs to make a part in the here and now. I'm sure nVidia understood that there was going to a lot of negative reaction to RTX 20x0 pricing. When it comes to the 2080 Ti at least, I doubt nVidia can make a ton of them and would never been able to keep up with demand at a $700 price point if that's even possible.
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I agree that Turing is more expensive to produce and obviously RnD baked in on the new tech. But Nvidia in command of the market is going to push pricing to the absolute break point of what the market will bear. They can afford fewer sales with a high margin. The only competition is their own previous gen so no lost sales at all really.

I get it. Shareholders to appease but for me they are reaching here. They have margin to give. But why give up profits? If they want the world to embrace the RT and all the other new tech in Turing the price should be lower.

Once games actually exist for this hardware maybe then they get price adjusted. Or the market accepts these huge price jumps and pays up going forward.
 
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Poor Nvidia.

Seems they have rushed RTX out the door.

For the next 6 months to a year the market is going to be so flush in so many used 1080 /1080 ti cards it won't even be funny. The mining crazy is dying off for Nvidia... the miners using AMD cards are mining different stuff and are more likely to hold their cards for a bit, they also tend to resell higher and thus aren't as hot a resale market as frankly they are simply better mining cards then the NV stuff. Couple that with the apparent over production of 1080 class cards the last year and Nvidia has a massive problem.... considering;

Navi hits sometime soon. Assuming the vega shrink brings the standard 20-30% bump you would expect from a die shrink.... Nvidia may be expecting more pain then people give AMD credit for.

Vega 64 + 30% at the same MSRP... could really suck for Nvidia if they really are sitting on tons of 1080 stock, I also don't know how they calculate their sales for shareholders, but its possible they consider a lot of that stock already sold as it has been shipped to OEM partners. If Nvidia had to say offer a rebate to their OEMS if they have to price compete with AMD parts it be a real bump in the road come their quarterly report. That to me seems like as likely a reason to launch what seems like a not quite ready product. Why not wait a few months for RTX games to be ready launch day.

Anyway still waiting to see what Kyle thinks of these cards... although on the coverage I will say I am surprised and happy to see many of the NDA signers have been willing to say this release isn't perfect. They may have let Nvidia dictate which tests they could run and at what resolutions ect... but at least in general their conclusions seem to be their own for the most part.
 
TheHig said:
I agree that Turing is more expensive to produce and obviously RnD baked in on the new tech. But Nvidia in command of the market is going to push pricing to the absolute break point of what the market will bear. They can afford fewer sales with a high margin. The only competition is their own previous gen so no lost sales at all really.

I get it. Shareholders to appease but for me they are reaching here. They have margin to give. But why give up profits? If they want the world to embrace the RT and all the other new tech in Turing the price should be lower.

Once games actually exist for this hardware maybe then they get price adjusted. Or the market accepts these huge price jumps and pays up going forward.
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I don't disagree with this overall. Turing as it is right now is what nVidia can produce. Sure it should be cheaper. But there's always going to be early adopters willing to pay the tax and the sooner this tech gets into at least some hands the better it is in the long run. It's easy to say "Just wait for 7nm and developers behind the scenes." but actual product in market for stuff that's this exotic is worth some gamble.
 
Now I wish Kyle had signed the NDA because I'd be like Kyle, Stormy Daniels didn't give a fuck about a $130k NDA payoff so why don't you tell us if that NDA told you to help nVidia clear 1080Ti stock!
 
Oh and for the record, buying an 18 month old 1080Ti is stupid. Your options are

1) Wait for the [H] review then either...
2) Wait 2 years for the next generation.
3) Buy a 2080 or 2080 Ti and hope you get the value of it over the next 2 years.
 
I actually expected the 2080 to be around 15% slower than the 1080ti based on volta results and core count. Still, the product kinda stinks and not nearly as great as some expected here stating that "RTX cores will be far better for gaming than Volta." Yeah, not so much.

The 2070 should do better against the 1080 than thr 2080 does against the 1080ti. We should see the 2070 perform directly between the 1080 and 1080ti.
 
The 2080 in particular seems like a hard sell. Still very expensive, probably doesn't have enough RT cores to run very quickly (based upon seeing the Ti struggle so much in early software).

So you really are going to have essentially a 1080ti with less memory in many titles.
 
sirsad said:
Oh and for the record, buying an 18 month old 1080Ti is stupid. Your options are

1) Wait for the [H] review then either...
2) Wait 2 years for the next generation.
3) Buy a 2080 or 2080 Ti and hope you get the value of it over the next 2 years.
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4) wait 3-6 months for the vega di shrink.... and decide if a Vega 84 which will likely preform right between 2080 and 2080ti at a MSRP of $599 makes more sense.
 
sirsad said:
Oh and for the record, buying an 18 month old 1080Ti is stupid. Your options are

1) Wait for the [H] review then either...
2) Wait 2 years for the next generation.
3) Buy a 2080 or 2080 Ti and hope you get the value of it over the next 2 years.
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I have been, and continue to be, quite happy with my "stupid" purchase. Nothing I've seen from these cards has made me think that buying it was a bad idea.
 
Derangel said:
I have been, and continue to be, quite happy with my "stupid" purchase. Nothing I've seen from these cards has made me think that buying it was a bad idea.
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To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.

The games slated for DLSS are here.

The question is when, not if. Buying a 1080Ti will get you a few months of fun and then regret when DLSS is supported in one of the games that you play.

Of course, this is assuming DLSS works as advertised, which is why I say "buy 2080 and hope"
 
sirsad said:
To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.

The games slated for DLSS are here.

The question is when, not if. Buying a 1080Ti will get you a few months of fun and then regret when DLSS is supported in one of the games that you play.

Of course, this is assuming DLSS works as advertised, which is why I say "buy 2080 and hope"
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It's nice that they provide such a list. I am interested in one, maybe 2 of those titles. If you're playing sub 4k (like I am) and aren't looking forward to a lot of those titles, the 1080 ti still makes a lot of sense. I bought mine 10 months ago and do not regret it.

It's a hard call to spend the very high prices they have listed here for potentially a better experience, when you can save hundreds of dollars to get excellent performance right now.
 
sirsad said:
To be clear, I am saying it is stupid to buy a 1080Ti right now (and was a great purchase 18 months ago). This is because the potential performance improvement of DLSS if you run AA on in any of the games you play.

The games slated for DLSS are here.

The question is when, not if. Buying a 1080Ti will get you a few months of fun and then regret when DLSS is supported in one of the games that you play.

Of course, this is assuming DLSS works as advertised, which is why I say "buy 2080 and hope"
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It will be cheaper and some people can live with not using any kinds of AA on 4k with a 1080Ti.
 
arnemetis said:
It's nice that they provide such a list. I am interested in one, maybe 2 of those titles. If you're playing sub 4k (like I am) and aren't looking forward to a lot of those titles, the 1080 ti still makes a lot of sense. I bought mine 10 months ago and do not regret it.

It's a hard call to spend the very high prices they have listed here for potentially a better experience, when you can save hundreds of dollars to get excellent performance right now.
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The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/

Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
 
Ocellaris said:
The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/

Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
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I firmly believe we are at least one generation away from raytracing's performance hit being acceptable. Anyone looking to save the money here would also seriously consider a used 1080 ti, especially with this lineup. I don't buy the whole we need to sell old 10 series stock that some people have talked about, but I will admit I was thinking of used price value since there will likely be a lot more on the market with the 20 series release. We've also reached a large enough cost that it's difficult to justify the 2080 at all with the 2080 Ti right there only a few hundred more, for almost acceptable raytracing performance.
 
Ocellaris said:
The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/

Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
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Wouldn’t pay $100 for underdeveloped tech that may or may not catch on. And if it does catch on, I’d want to go with the more refined 2nd generation.
 
Ocellaris said:
The price delta between a 2080 and a new 1080 Ti isn’t hundreds of dollars though... it’s about $100:

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080ti/

Now the questions turns into “Do I want to spend an extra $100 for the potentially huge upsides RTX tech will bring?” For a lot of people, that answer will be yes.
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Exactly. If you already have a 1080Ti. Great, you should not buy a 2080. However, if you have something lesser like a 1080 then buying a 2080 is a no brainer to me unless you can get a 1080Ti used for much cheaper.

Note that I have a 1080 and I'm on the fence. I can easily afford the 2080Ti but I game at 1440p right now.
 
The Australian prices for these are a bit of a joke. But then our distributors always gouge us. What makes it funny is that the partner cards are higher priced than the FE direct from Nvidia which already has a premium on it.
 
JStamsek said:
Wouldn’t pay $100 for underdeveloped tech that may or may not catch on. And if it does catch on, I’d want to go with the more refined 2nd generation.
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It isn't undeveloped tech, it is a chicken and egg problem. Games won't support anything until hardware does and hardware won't support anything until games do. Someone has to go first and buyers decide whether it sticks. Given that everything is out of stock, this will stick.
 
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