Steam Accused of Objectifying Women after Approving Uncensored Porn Game

MDboyz said:
#MeToo movement is like 'I seduced him to get in bed with me, but I didn't get what I wanted', so now I joined #MeToo movement to accuse him for raping me.
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Ummmm NO. Nothing personal but that's the thinking of the kind of person who justifies the actions of people like Weinstein, et others like him.

But I do believe there is a misdirected anger somewhat here. When the me too movement took off I had a friend who said, "I ordered a camero with a LT1 corvette engine and the salesmen insulted me when he said, 'You realize that's the big corvette engine' LIke being a girl I didn't know what I wanted and that I couldn't handle it." And she claimed sexual discrimination.

GTFOY (Get the Fart Over Yourself) The fact is you are the freakin Pink Unicorn. Not many women want to drop a small fortune to drive a high powered car. Just because he expressed surprise doesn't mean he didn't want to sell you the car or believe you couldn't handle it. That's your own freakin insecurities kicking in. That's like saying you don't want the winning lottery ticket because you didn't expect it.

Incidents like this do dillute the message of women who were taken advantage of.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Ummmm NO. Nothing personal but that's the thinking of the kind of person who justifies the actions of people like Weinstein, et others like him.

But I do believe there is a misdirected anger somewhat here. When the me too movement took off I had a friend who said, "I ordered a camero with a LT1 corvette engine and the salesmen insulted me when he said, 'You realize that's the big corvette engine' LIke being a girl I didn't know what I wanted and that I couldn't handle it." And she claimed sexual discrimination.

GTFOY (Get the Fart Over Yourself) The fact is you are the freakin Pink Unicorn. Not many women want to drop a small fortune to drive a high powered car. Just because he expressed surprise doesn't mean he didn't want to sell you the car or believe you couldn't handle it. That's your own freakin insecurities kicking in. That's like saying you don't want the winning lottery ticket because you didn't expect it.

Incidents like this do dillute the message of women who were taken advantage of.
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That's my fear too. When we have Maximum Outrage over everything, it all gets ignored by most people because we can't tell what we should focus on, or sometimes even how serious something was.

We have limited attention and resources, and need to work big to small. There are truly horrible people of course - let's fry them. Seriously.

Other stuff - let's think about how we can actually improve things. Is reprimanding that salesman and threatening his ability to feed his family really the best way to proceed? Or could maybe the salesman be trained on how to ask better questions and suss out buyers before assuming things? For example "Oh, you like that big corvette engine eh? You into racing?" If she looks surprised he can then follow that up with more education about what she's really looking at.
 
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m_isom said:
All up in arms perpetuating the abusive relationships eh? Men holding the women down. But what about that Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey both from women authors and full of possessive abusive control. Got to love the double standard.
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Women wrote that. So...it's okay.
 
Ha, i pulled up the Steam page. The "xxx already owns this game" section was priceless. Time to go have some fun.
 
Knurrus said:
I'm not quite sure whether or not you are sarcastic, but I'm pretty sure that more than a few believe what you wrote. Except the "biological evolution" part that the superstitious claims are false because a fantasy book says so.

As for men are unable to not sexually assault or harass because of their biological nature, well, that is a pretty weak and old argument. Does not make it true, though.

Culture, in a broad sense, is always changing, but not always fast or continuously. An example is martial rape that until end of 70'es was not a crime in most US states, and even later had (has?) lesser penalties in some states compared to non-spouse rape. That was also once upon a time looked upon as radical feminism.
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No... Most women expect men to be the aggressor and if you decide to interact with women by the rules advocated by feminists than you are not going to be very successful. There are many, many women into kinky sex that involves dominating or being dominated. Sado-masochism is not something invented by men. It's a dishonest lie to make men out to be the problem when both sexes share the responsibility for sexual behaviors. Don't be a tool for radical feminists...
 
Dwayne said:
Can someone link them up with the myriad of Instagram "stars" and their ass and tit shots? I mean, you want to get mad, get mad across all platforms!
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Lets go a step further and talk about how these people are probably the same people that are actually the posters of objectifying images. I know a lot of feminists that wear not-so-modest clothing but claim its their right to wear whatever they want because its "empowering". :rolleyes:
Its blatant hypocrisy.

Perfect example is the Hollywood MeToo movement where alot of these bandwagoners are doing films with full nudity in them.....but they were " sexually assaulted " years and years ago. I always stick to the idea that if I don't want to get into any trouble like this I avoid the situation.
 
Knurrus said:
So when they get raped it's their own fault :rolleyes:
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We aren't talking rape, but the fact that your flaunting it, you can expect capture the wrong attention. I'm not saying there are not some legit cases of rape, but you are pretty much asking for a sexually charged comment based on what you are wearing, because there are a lot of guys out there that don't have the control to not make a comment. Realize this day and age its getting worse.

It's a setup plain and simple. Don't put yourself in a situation that can end up that way.
In the Hollywood case a lot put their careers over the situation.

Don't twist my words.
 
so porn objectifies women, wow this is shocking news to me, how will I go on now?
 
SomeoneElse said:
We aren't talking rape, but the fact that your flaunting it, you can expect capture the wrong attention. I'm not saying there are not some legit cases of rape, but you are pretty much asking for a sexually charged comment based on what you are wearing, because there are a lot of guys out there that don't have the control to not make a comment. Realize this day and age its getting worse.

It's a setup plain and simple. Don't put yourself in a situation that can end up that way.
In the Hollywood case a lot put their careers over the situation.

Don't twist my words.
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That is such utter bullshit. No one is at fault for being sexually harassed or assaulted. The only people at fault are the ones doing it. I don't care if a woman (or man, for that manner) walks around butt ass naked there is no excuse for harassment. If the comments and actions are clearly not wanted, shut up and fuck off. It's that simple.
 
Derangel said:
That is such utter bullshit. No one is at fault for being sexually harassed or assaulted. The only people at fault are the ones doing it. I don't care if a woman (or man, for that manner) walks around butt ass naked there is no excuse for harassment. If the comments and actions are clearly not wanted, shut up and fuck off. It's that simple.
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The problem there is that what constitutes sexual harassment is a fluid thing. Like, if the successful, muscular, handsome, young up-in-comer comments on your pretty dress and how it really shows off your curves, that's considered flattering. However, when the old, fat, janitor says it, it's sexual harassment.

Without clearly defined norms and standards, which we don't have since women have just in the last couple generations started getting into the work place, the whole "she was asking for it" question needs to come up. What's the line on how much sexual signaling you can do before you are, in fact, asking for it.
 
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The problem there is that what constitutes sexual harassment is a fluid thing. Like, if the successful, muscular, handsome, young up-in-comer comments on your pretty dress and how it really shows off your curves, that's considered flattering. However, when the old, fat, janitor says it, it's sexual harassment.

Without clearly defined norms and standards, which we don't have since women have just in the last couple generations started getting into the work place, the whole "she was asking for it" question needs to come up. What's the line on how much sexual signaling you can do before you are, in fact, asking for it.
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If you know someone doesn't want sexual comments directed at them and you do so anyway, that is sexual harassment. It's a pretty clear definition. If the janitor in your hypothetical is aware that the woman does not want those comments from him and he makes them, yes he is sexually harassing her.

You do know that it is entirely possible for a person to dress nice simply for themselves, right? They don't have to be doing it in order to get attention. A person dressing in a way that makes them feel good about themselves does not mean they want people to hit on them and make constant advances.
 
Derangel said:
If you know someone doesn't want sexual comments directed at them and you do so anyway, that is sexual harassment. It's a pretty clear definition. If the janitor in your hypothetical is aware that the woman does not want those comments from him and he makes them, yes he is sexually harassing her.

You do know that it is entirely possible for a person to dress nice simply for themselves, right? They don't have to be doing it in order to get attention. A person dressing in a way that makes them feel good about themselves does not mean they want people to hit on them and make constant advances.
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Well, how do you tell when it's wanted and when it's not? What do you have to go on since the only signal is the form fitting short dress? Both males see it the same way, so where is the clearly visible line? I might think of myself as a highly desirable male, but my perception of that may be entirely different than what the female thinks.

And for sure some people do it for themselves, but very, very few. I've never met a guy who put on a snazzy suit while sitting at home by themselves and I think 1 girl ever that even if sitting at home doing nothing would go put on all her make-up and get dressed up to watch TV, and that too, may well have been a ruse as I don't have a very large sample size of her habits at home, so I question how many people are really doing it for themselves.



Edit: Now I'm not saying you are wrong, and I've never had a problem telling for myself when it's ok and when it's not ok. The issue is mostly with trying to be and objective 3rd party without a fully fleshed out quantifiable measure on which to judge. In my scenario, maybe the janitor thought he was being completely complimentary and kind. There is no quantifiable way to show one way or the other where the line should be placed standard. I mean if a girl wearing a micro-bikini starts grinding on me and I reach up and touch a boob, am I liable for sexual harassment or was she "asking for it"?
 
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Because guys has never been objectivfied...

This is such "I want to whine and complain because can deal with my own issue so it must be someone elses fault"
 
Derangel said:
That is such utter bullshit. No one is at fault for being sexually harassed or assaulted. The only people at fault are the ones doing it. I don't care if a woman (or man, for that manner) walks around butt ass naked there is no excuse for harassment. If the comments and actions are clearly not wanted, shut up and fuck off. It's that simple.
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In an ideal world I would agree with you. In an ideal world everyone would respect one another.

But as I said to someone,

I said:
I however do not make the rules, and I cannot control the actions of everyone. If you walk into room full of tigers wearing fresh red raw meat, you're asking for trouble. Don't be stupid and get caught alone with them, especially when drunk. Tigers will always exist.

That's the equivalent of me walking in the SE DC Ghettos at 1 am by myself stepping out of my Corvette yelling 'White Upper Class Nerdy Boy Here!'. I'm just asking for it.
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So the question is would you have any sympathy for me if I did something so stupid. In the perfect world, I wouldn't get assaulted, mugged, shot, or stabbed. But we don't live in an ideal world do we? And I doubt many of you would have sympathy for me for being stupid.

Women do have to bear some responsibility for their own safety. People like me can't protect them all.
 
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Knurrus said:
Rape victims have been blamed, in court, because they where not "properly" dressed.

Much more common is sexual harassment because women where dressed "provocatively", or as you say "flaunting it", and again it's their fault.
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This is what you call a last ditch effort for a scum bag rapist to try and get out of the fact that he forced some girl into intercourse against her will. That's the defense lawyer trying desperately to get his guy off with a slap on the wrist. Rape is never right, but my point is if you don't want to gain unwanted attention then don't dress provocatively.....and don't put the sole responsibility on someone else because you want to wear something like that. You have to protect yourself first a foremost. You can't say that its 100% someone else's fault, the street goes 2 ways. Its not solely the woman's fault but, when you put it out there you might as well expect to get unwanted comments from certain people. Stop taking it to the extreme because that's not what i'm saying.

Sexual harassment is such a broad topic now-a-days even a simple hello can be construed as harassment because someone read way to far into someone's tone of voice or something like that.

Fact is you have to realize, today, there are a lot more scumbags than a few decades ago....
 
I've a lot to say about this issue, but my typin' finger just isn't up to it. As Dr. House would have said, "Multitasking is great, but you really should decide between your keyboard and your nose. Wanna pill?"

I really do have a strong opinion on this stuff, but suffice it to say, a Woman is a human being, just like Me, and You.

Yeah, I'm a Dem. And fuckin' proud of it.

W.
 
Wow they are getting upset over *that.* Feminists are ridiculous. I'm not surprised though since they love looking for any little thing that makes them a victim.

I wonder how they would feel about Rapelay.
 
VG porn is LIKE so objectifying...just cause she spread her pixels doesn't give you the right to thott shame a slut!
 
Wyodiver said:
I've a lot to say about this issue, but my typin' finger just isn't up to it. As Dr. House would have said, "Multitasking is great, but you really should decide between your keyboard and your nose. Wanna pill?"

I really do have a strong opinion on this stuff, but suffice it to say, a Woman is a human being, just like Me, and You.

Yeah, I'm a Dem. And fuckin' proud of it.

W.
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Nobody cares about your politics. Nobody is going to say that a woman isn't a human being and worthy of anything but respect from other human beings, but you're arguing with a typical, emotional, Democratic straw man argument that hides the real issue.
 
I find it quiet entertaining that some people in this thread are defending women making accusations of sexual assault are to hurt and fragile to report the case to law enforcement, or go to a hospital and have a rape kit done because they are scared of what might happen to them....But posting it on twitter to have it retweeted hundreds of thousands of times to the public is fine.....Something doesn't add up here. Maybe, JUST maybe, they used him while he was using them, to each get what they wanted, and now that it's popular to "come out" about these things, they saw another chance to further their exposure.

Not saying he never did anything illegal etc, or that their never was someone who was really sexually assaulted by him (or any number of other people), just that it's odd none of them ever tried to do anything to him until now.
 
History will list social media shaming with regressive historical events like McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials.
 
Knurrus said:
The fact that sexual misconduct is the most under-reported crime is due to....stuff...
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The only way to come up with a number of unreported crimes is to do some kind of survey and compare it to actual number of police reports filed. Problem is always in how the surveys are worded. That and....surveys are not reliable, especially surveys with a tiny sample size.
Remember boys and girls, shitty surveys got many people who are thinking-impaired to believe there is a "rape culture" in the US.

Stop.
Seriously, stop using that article.
The author makes a number of factual claims but often has zero evidence cited to support her "facts". Nor does she link, cite, or mention the author(s) or name of some studies she mentions.
Also, I cannot find any studies with her as an author or co-author, though I did not look hard. Found a bunch of books with terribly low citation numbers though, so there is that, I guess.
I did manage to find a study that she bothered to mention the author of, and got this gem...
whether or not a woman has been raped, she ultimately bears the scar tissue of a sociocultural context where rape is epidemic
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from Understanding the Relationships Among White and African American Women’s Sexual Objectification Experiences, Physical Safety Anxiety, and Psychological Distress
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Ok, now where is rape epidemic? Certainly nowhere in the 'western' world that I'm aware of.
Published in 2015 with 30 something citations and based on a sample size of 228 women all from the same college campus. Not impressive. Oh...and it was based on surveys that gave course credits...
 
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Knurrus said:
Me!
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Would've made I great stand in for Ray.
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Knurrus said:
It's an article by a psychotherapist trying to explain to the general public about a current and important subject, and not an article to be published in a peer-reviewed journal.

What she writes seems, in general, quite reasonable, at least to me, and is not contradictory to what (little, I admit) I know about the subject of sexual harassment/assault and the effects it has on the victims.

Looking around you'll find similar opinions from people working in this area, including prosecutors. A very current case is the nomination new Supreme Justice Judge and the allegations he faces for sexual assault when he was a minor. In the news papers you'll often just find smaller quotes from experts supporting what the psychotherapist wrote.
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What seems reasonable and what is factually correct are not necessarily the same.
It makes no difference to me who the article was written for, an author that uses sources in an attempt to strengthen their position should state their sources clearly if they have any desire to be taken seriously and not considered just another pile of junk in text form.
The article could have been titled "Woman who sells books with a recurring theme of female victimization and how females can empower themselves against the evil patriarchy quotes highly questionable studies with few citations and tries to sell more books by convincing people rape is everywhere". I know it's wordy, but perhaps it's more accurate.

From your article.
In a study issued last year, the co-chairwomen of a commission task force said that roughly three to four people experiencing such harassment never tell anyone in authority about it.
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What study? How was harassment defined? How do they know if something happened but went unreported? (see my earlier post) What does the quote even mean? Three to four people sure isn't a lot, is it? I'm truly baffled. I had to check 4 times to be sure I was quoting the article correctly.
Sexual harassment and behaviors that fall under this category include: inappropriate touching; invasion of privacy; sexual jokes; lewd or obscene comments or gestures; exposing body parts; showing graphic images; unwelcome sexual emails, text messages, or phone calls; sexual bribery, coercion, and overt requests for sex
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I put in bold some things that are not well defined and/or can easily be considered what often leads to many things being characterized as sexual harassment...when they may not be. By her list, asking for sex constitutes sexual harassment. Just give that a little bit of thought. It's irrational, illogical, and fucking retarded.
While I recognize that men are also sexually harassed and assaulted, due to limited space, I am going to limit this article to a discussion about female victims of sexual harassment and assault.
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More like, "due to the fact that I don't write books for men, I am not going to bother with them."

I won't go on, it's late for me.

Also, bringing up Kavanaugh does not strengthen your case any. Assuming you know the story and not just sound-bites, you must be aware that the claim against him does not pass the smell test in any way, shape, or form. That of course, does not mean it's not true but it seems it can't either be proven or disproven which makes it a "he said, she said". All the Kavanaugh issue does is highlight that women can make nearly any claim they want, whenever they want, with zero evidence.....and potentially fuck up a mans life.
 
Knurrus said:
I mentioned the alleged sexual assault by a Supreme Justice Judge nominee as an example of what what is happening to the accuser, not that I have any particular opinion of the truthfulness of the allegations. From what I can read and watch in this case the article I quoted is pretty much spot on. Other than that I think we have to agree to disagree.

Have a good night!
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Yes, let's agree to disagree because what you and I are getting out of the allegations against Kavanaugh are very different.

My only hope is that in in the future, you choose your links more carefully as that article you posted more than once is a complete shitshow. It's unfortunate, really. I'm sure there is some truth to what she wanted to say but it was presented poorly and researched just enough to make a political point more than anything else. The author of the article and some studies she quoted were biased, half-assed, unreliable, and other assorted negative adjectives.
 
Knurrus. I see you're a virgin.
Let me clarify. No one but virgins lets their bitches talk down on them but virgins.
edit..unless you're married. Then wow you fucked
 
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KD5ZXG said:
I object to the way Dwarf Fortress objectifies catsplosion.
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well,catsplotions aren't funny and therefore we shall need a tweet telling us how it is so. Or Knurrus telling us how it is sexist by trying to splain how dwarfs are multicolored
 
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