European Parliament Passes Controversial Copyright Bill

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The European Parliament passed a controversial bill featuring a "link tax" and an "upload filter." The article was approved in June, struck down by the parliament in July, and further delayed before finally passing another vote today with 438 votes for and 226 against. The bill is supposed to protect creators by allowing them to request payment or easily send takedown requests. But multiple organizations, including the EFF, believe the system is ripe for abuse.


The text also specifies that uploading to online encyclopaedias in a non-commercial way, such as Wikipedia, or open source software platforms, such as GitHub, will automatically be excluded from the requirement to comply with copyright rules.
 
Based on the linked article, it doesn't quite sound that bad. There's a lot of shitty aggregators out there that in a sense plagiarize actual journalists.

Besides, it can be easily circumvented by having the entities and servers not in the EU...

I suspect there's more win here than fail.
 
BloodyIron said:
Based on the linked article, it doesn't quite sound that bad. There's a lot of shitty aggregators out there that in a sense plagiarize actual journalists.

Besides, it can be easily circumvented by having the entities and servers not in the EU...

I suspect there's more win here than fail.
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Monkey see monkey do. America sees this and will want the same thing, cause what company doesn't want to abuse the copyright system?
 
BloodyIron said:
Based on the linked article, it doesn't quite sound that bad. There's a lot of shitty aggregators out there that in a sense plagiarize actual journalists.

Besides, it can be easily circumvented by having the entities and servers not in the EU...

I suspect there's more win here than fail.
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Just The Tip
 
Its good that people see the system a ripe for abuse.....more regulations doesn't make it better necessarily. Its the whole " the tighter the grip, the more slips through the fingers."
 
FTFA:

Parliament’s position toughens the Commission’s proposed plans to make online platforms and aggregators liable for copyright infringements. This would also apply to snippets, where only a small part of a news publisher’s text is displayed. In practice, this liability requires these parties to pay right holders for copyrighted material that they make available.
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now, if this becomes more universal, and i think it will and should, that is going to effect LOTS of sites, even Hard here because they display snippets from the actual story along side with a link. One news aggregator that i know of that wouldnt be affected would be fark.com as they dont post anything of the article, just a link that had a made up headline.
 
The EU will keep pushing until they're pushed back on their ass. This might actually do it given how far-reaching it is.
 
So, this is the hill people picked to die on? This is the entire “banned memes” bs , read the law , its actually rather sensible and its purely copyright protection, yes it can and will be abused, and it can and will be improved. Meanwhile in the very same day the same people pass Article 7 proceedings that remove voting rights from Hungary due to “mah nazis and stuffz” but people are worried about the memes... frack me , humanity its done for.
 
You mean like China does too? It isn't just America, or China, everyone's out to make a quick buck.

DukenukemX said:
Monkey see monkey do. America sees this and will want the same thing, cause what company doesn't want to abuse the copyright system?
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Let's just block off the EU from the internet now. God knows most US firms will use this as an excuse to roll out this crap for the rest of the world.
 
Holonist said:
So, this is the hill people picked to die on? This is the entire “banned memes” bs , read the law , its actually rather sensible and its purely copyright protection, yes it can and will be abused, and it can and will be improved. Meanwhile in the very same day the same people pass Article 7 proceedings that remove voting rights from Hungary due to “mah nazis and stuffz” but people are worried about the memes... frack me , humanity its done for.
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Enjoy your life as the proverbial slow-boiled frog.
 
mmm that totalitarianism feels good.

is there some kind of loicense you can get to get around this?
 
How can these EU laws affect anyone who is based in the US only? Does some part of some treaty or agreement allow them to demand the extradition of a US citizen for violating an EU law when they have never set foot in any country in Europe?
 
This is a anti-meme and anti-citizen journalist/analyst bill. They want information and the overton window back in control of state-friendly media.
 
NeghVar said:
How can these EU laws affect anyone who is based in the US only? Does some part of some treaty or agreement allow them to demand the extradition of a US citizen for violating an EU law when they have never set foot in any country in Europe?
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It's a dangerous game the EU is playing. Right now they count on their economic weight being enough to make the targets of their onerous laws comply with a long-suffering sigh. Eventually they're going to hit a redline where they will have to prove whether or not they are in fact toothless.
 
BloodyIron said:
Based on the linked article, it doesn't quite sound that bad. There's a lot of shitty aggregators out there that in a sense plagiarize actual journalists.
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That's not what this is about (well, Article 11). This is about Google search indexing news sites, and, even though they link right to the article, the news sites think they're being cheated somehow, so they want to charge Google to index them.

Spain and Germany already tried that. Google just stopped indexing Spanish newspapers, who saw their hits drop drastically.
 
I don't see how that's any different from an aggregator. It literally aggregates news content for you.

1_rick said:
That's not what this is about (well, Article 11). This is about Google search indexing news sites, and, even though they link right to the article, the news sites think they're being cheated somehow, so they want to charge Google to index them.

Spain and Germany already tried that. Google just stopped indexing Spanish newspapers, who saw their hits drop drastically.
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When an agenda is so clearly far to the left that even Google feels the need to protest, you know shit's bad. I realize that there's ulterior motives behind Google's move - of course there are - but there's also ulterior motives behind Article 13.
 
NeghVar said:
How can these EU laws affect anyone who is based in the US only? Does some part of some treaty or agreement allow them to demand the extradition of a US citizen for violating an EU law when they have never set foot in any country in Europe?
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Extra-territoriality...an example would be the "right to be forgotten" thing where Google went up against France and other countries a few years back. I actually posted about this a year or so ago but got a bunch of people being bitches about it and calling me uninformed or something (I'm not, they're just naive). I think a more recent example would be recent legislation in Australia. See this video:

 
*shrug* If we don't try things, we won't know what works and what doesn't. The problem is that when institutions write laws they make them permanent. A better system would be to write a law that has a two year limitation. After two years it goes into a second two year 'informed opinion' period where the actual results of the law are debated and where affected parties can show how the law is impacting them. After the debate phase the law can be ratified, amended or canceled. If the law is ratified, affected institutions have the right to challenge in high court within two years. If it is amended, the process starts over at the beginning. This would allow lawmakers to test a law without everyone hyperventilating.
 
seanreisk said:
*shrug* If we don't try things, we won't know what works and what doesn't. The problem is that when institutions write laws they make them permanent. A better system would be to write a law that has a two year limitation. After two years it goes into a second two year 'informed opinion' period where the actual results of the law are debated and where affected parties can show how the law is impacting them. After the debate phase the law can be ratified, amended or canceled. If the law is ratified, affected institutions have the right to challenge in high court within two years. If it is amended, the process starts over at the beginning. This would allow lawmakers to test a law without everyone hyperventilating.
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Your reasoning works in theory, but not in this case. Some things you can't determine how they'll turn out. Others have obvious problems from day 1 that anyone reading the bill can see and will override whatever good it may be doing. This is an example of that latter case. From what I can tell, there's no provision at all if you happen to fall under Fair Use or a EU equivalent and aren't specifically covered by the bill. Copyright trolls ABOUND on Youtube as it is. Extending that mentality is going to kill review sites, parody, analysis of pretty much anything copyrighted. This is going to cause more problems than it solves.
 
I almost welcome this. The copyright system is badly broken world wide. So badly so, that I doubt it can be fixed without a total deconstruction. So I am somewhat torn regarding anything that might hasten the collapse of that system.

Short term suckage for the chance at long term greatness, or continue to slowly lose ground in the fight for reasonable copyright law. Tough choice.
 
Holonist said:
So, this is the hill people picked to die on? This is the entire “banned memes” bs , read the law , its actually rather sensible and its purely copyright protection, yes it can and will be abused, and it can and will be improved. Meanwhile in the very same day the same people pass Article 7 proceedings that remove voting rights from Hungary due to “mah nazis and stuffz” but people are worried about the memes... frack me , humanity its done for.
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Fuck humanity, it's always been shit, pretty much anything good was an accident or unintended by product.
 
BloodyIron said:
I don't see how that's any different from an aggregator. It literally aggregates news content for you.
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If by "content" you mean "part of two sentences and the headline", then sure.

if you want the whole story you'll have to click through, though, so it's not as if Google's actually necessarily stealing hits. (Plus, in Spain, Google simply stopped indexing the news sites, who saw dramatic drops in hits and, IIRC, screamed "never mind!")
 
How is that different from reddit?

1_rick said:
If by "content" you mean "part of two sentences and the headline", then sure.

if you want the whole story you'll have to click through, though, so it's not as if Google's actually necessarily stealing hits. (Plus, in Spain, Google simply stopped indexing the news sites, who saw dramatic drops in hits and, IIRC, screamed "never mind!")
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