Google Slammed for Chrome Change That Strips Out "WWW" from Domains

Mut1ny said:
Oh God...this is the most frustrating fucking bullshit that I've ever seen them do. It's the only reason I use Bing as my search provider in Chrome on my phone.

To not even have the option to turn it off makes me see it as a complete nefarious move.

Actually, speaking of which, what web browser is as good that I can replace Chrome with? Firefox any better than it was? Every time I've used it in the past I always had some sort of issue.
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Waterfox
https://www.waterfoxproject.org
 
so.. it only hides the www. portion now? it doesnt do it with other subdomains, but WHY?? hide the www. subdomain at all?
 
katanaD said:
so.. it only hides the www. portion now? it doesnt do it with other subdomains, but WHY?? hide the www. subdomain at all?
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I assume they did it to make screenshots confusing. Safari on Mac doesn't show the path of the URL at all, just the domain name (and they strip off www as well), but at least you can tell from a acreenshot it's Safari and it's going to be useless.
 
Just updated Chrome 60 to 69 and I see what Google did away with www.

Shame on you, Google. You can't pwn the internet at all. It's for everyone on the planet, not just ONE hotshot's dream.
 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
Can someone show me an example where the www.url.com and url.com go to different pages?
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This is one of the original examples from the article.

"How will you distinguish http://www.pool.ntp.org vs http://pool.ntp.org ? One takes you to the website about the project, the other goes to a random ntp server."

They may be rare, but there are real world examples of this deviation occurring, and its NOT a glitch or mis-configuration.
 
Can't help but read WWW as WWE/WWF


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Iratus said:
It's incredibly rare that your Apex a record isn't your website if you're host it on that name. Which ever one you pin the site against (Apex,week or otherwise) you rewrite the other anyway.

They've not changed the behaviour of DNS, just what is displayed.

It's just the next logical step, like we don't write http any more. People will adapt, that's Google's power in a way. If you're in a browser, generally www is a given, and if it's not then you're writing a proper url anyway. Hopefully they still show it for region prefixes, that's valid, relevent and technically a solid use case for zones.

As an aside, I'd be interested to see how many people actually use or follow urls anyway, Google or autocomplete seem pretty ubiquitous and even though by most measures I'm a hardcore nerd the only time I can think of navigating is when I do BBC.co.uk/news, most often it's just landing page then click through. They'll have the data that supports it either way.

Also a lot of the arguments I saw elsewhere can just be boiled down to people doing weird or stupid shit. That MS thing is fucking dumb, fucking redirects for shit product strategy. Almost as annoying as 404ing half the site because you changed your url strategy and were too dumb to translate. Drives me fucking crazy
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Except the way they're doing it is unintelligent. If it sees www.[whatever] it strips the www. portion. So http://www.example.www.example.com becomes http://example.example.com which is not a correct presentation of what domain you're actually on.

Another example is www.pool.ntp.org vs pool.ntp.org. The www. is the webpage about the NTP pool, stripping it off points you to a random NTP server in the pool.

Hiding portions of the FQDN is a bad idea in terms of user experience and security.
 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
Can someone show me an example where the www.url.com and url.com go to different pages?
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My hosting setup lets me assign subdomains and ip addresses in my zone file to anything, including www, that appears before the domain name. If I don't explicitly set it, the default is to bounce to my main host address.
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Well, I am kind of a rookie, but AFAIK there is absolutely nothing DNS-wise that forces domain.com and www.domain.com to take you to the exact same place. Those are 2 separate DNS entries, and they can be different. Not to mention you can have one and not the other, or whatever.
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you are 100% correct on the technical parts
i agree with the fact that GENERALLY, its dumb to do it that way and saying that they should go to the same place is just that- they *SHOULD* but as others have pointed out here- there may be specific use cases that means you would do it differently.
 
We've managed to make the Internet basically a utility used by everyone in the developed world, but it is now that people are too retarded to get it? Is that what Google is trying to say?
 
similarly, we may as well get rid of ".com" like that other smart internet company decided to do...

(aol... ffs, am I really that old)
 
likeman said:
the full domain name and www. should always lead to same page if it doesn't then you have a website configuration problem (subdomain hiding i don't agree with)
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Well, they say they hide the m as well.

Sometimes the only way to get rid of the stupid mobile version of a website is to manually remove the m from the address bar.
 
I'm not a fan of this, but it looks like there is a workaround.

Google is just doing lots of stuff I hate lately, like those stupid AMP pages. I wish those would go die I'm a fire.
 
I guess I just hate googles approach to implementing changes in their stuff.

No notice, no choice, just bam, one day your software has changed in ways you don't want it to, whether it be changing the looks of software (I hate this white theme they are pushing on everything in Android lately) or how they are suddenly playing man in the middle with AMP pages, or how the introduced web browser windows with window decorations set by the web design on Android, and now this.

It's my computer, my phone damnit!

Unless I want something to change, it shouldn't.

Every change they make beyond just bug fixes ought to be an option in an advanced configuration menu somewhere, and by default, unless I'm doing a fresh install, every setting should be inherited from the existing one, such that if software autoupdates every new feature is opt in, not opt out.

I feel like I am completely losing control over the shit I OWN, and I absolutely fucking hate it.

Come on Google. Don't be evil!
 
Mut1ny said:
Oh God...this is the most frustrating fucking bullshit that I've ever seen them do. It's the only reason I use Bing as my search provider in Chrome on my phone.

To not even have the option to turn it off makes me see it as a complete nefarious move.

Actually, speaking of which, what web browser is as good that I can replace Chrome with? Firefox any better than it was? Every time I've used it in the past I always had some sort of issue.
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In the Mozilla stream: Firefox, Palemoon, Waterfox and from Webkit valley: Vivaldi, Opera.

Plus and Minus for all of them.. haven't found one that is best for everything. I use specific browsers for specific tasks/sites. Always careful when slagging Chrome to only slag in FF or Palemoon tho - because...watching. LOL!.
 
Yeah, so I just fixed it in mine.

Just change this flag to disabled, and restart the browser.

edit:

Forum autocorrects my link.

Try this instead:
chrome://flags/#omnibox-ui-hide-steady-state-url-scheme-and-subdomains
 
It feels like the 90s again, dudes! We've got to "optimize" the hell out of everything because software is so god damn shitty out of the box!

Oooooh those registry tweaks to make Windows 98 fly on those PcChips MotherBoards with modded BIOSes... I sure looked like a grade A+ geek back then!

Ironically enough, now I strip crap out of Windows 10 and, guess what, it's 1998 again!
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I guess I just hate googles approach to implementing changes in their stuff.
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I agree so much. I'm half convinced they did this URL garbage just so nobody would notice all the other stupid UI deck chairs they moved around. I wouldn't mind so much if any of these UI changes appaeared to be moving in some direction that was clearly superior, but every company is playing the every 3-5 years claim to change everything, then spend the next 3 years cleaning up all the other places you forgot to change. Then rinse and repeat. I've read about the design and research that went into Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, but I haven't heard of anything beyond that.

Gotta go tell kids to get off my lawn now.
 
Jim Kim said:
Sure we do.
Listen to the man himself say it
@1:04:00
;)
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I swear to god that was the page slogan forever, but I can't find it in the Internet Archive. It may have predated the internet archive.


I did - however - find this gem:

Sweet creamy goodness!

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Actually, I just noticed, there it is in the tab title.
 
Can we start lynching people/executives who make stupid/greedy/controlling decisions like this?
 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
Can someone show me an example where the www.url.com and url.com go to different pages?
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Just about everywhere on the web circa 1997-2003. I'm sure its rare now.

On another note, I'm wondering if this is enforcing mobile to mobile pages and pc to pc pages thing.
 
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