RTX really 50% faster, Tom with nVidia talks...

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RTX Turing Q&A With NVIDIA's Tom Petersen


In video at 25:30 takes speed of 2080 vs 1080, says 50% performance increase for current games is good number, and 2080 will out perform in some cases the 1080 Ti as result.

NVLink at 42:33, talks about Microstutter - says one big frame buffer would bring terrible performance, stutter improves but doesn't go away - he explains why which includes the frame being put back together is where the problem is. SLi still works on Turing

52:02 Founders Cards in Liquid Cooled - unlikely to direct ship liquid however they are looking for other new techs than air.

nVidia explains pricing, he says they based it on demand, says have entry level all the way through high-end - another words we have no competition at some of these levels and as such the demands allows them to price how they have.

https://hothardware.com/news/geforce-rtx-turing-nvidia-tom-petersen

direct on youtube here:
 
So basically them just saying it is 35%-45% faster because we said so. Why not say that at the press conference? If I had a product and it was 35% or more faster, I would be saying it with a big smile.
I guess we will see when [H] tests it.
 
So basically them just saying it is 35%-45% faster because we said so. Why not say that at the press conference? If I had a product and it was 35% or more faster, I would be saying it with a big smile.
I guess we will see when [H] tests it.


The leaked benchmarks match this performance that he talks about.

Mentioning 35% increase from 1080ti to 2080ti would hurt 2080 sales.. with 1080ti being much cheaper than a 2080 for basically the same performance.
 
Renaming the Titan to the Ti doesn't change the fact that the 2080Ti holds the same price/die size position in the product stack as previous Titans. I guess they decided it was better to take flack about price increases by shifting names around than it was to follow their own established naming policy and make it clear that directly comparable products across generations had minimal performance increases outside of RT/DLSS.
 
So basically them just saying it is 35%-45% faster because we said so. Why not say that at the press conference? If I had a product and it was 35% or more faster, I would be saying it with a big smile.
I guess we will see when [H] tests it.

They really sound like Raja when he was AMD and his team. Frickin all talk but hey we won't release the drivers and wont allow reviews until month after announcement. I think they are just hyping it up and getting them pre orders and I am sure cards will be faster than current gen and there is no doubt about that. Nvidia is clearly trying to control this launch as best they can. Announcement, pre order, now giving interviews. I mean you won't even see the 2070 shipped until November. I think they are basically putting the 2080 as the main focus because it is the only one that is going to available in large quantities and preorder for those are still on going.

50% performance gain and then saying it will beat 1080ti in some cases? isn't 1080ti only 30% or so faster than 1080 on average. So why the heck didn't he say it will outperform the 1080ti across the board if it is 50% faster than 1080 in current games?

Seems like they are just throwing numbers.
 
Given the wonky NDAs and asking for reviewer contact info from Ad In Board makers, is still making me wonder what they are so worried about. Especially at the price that they are asking ...
 
Given the wonky NDAs and asking for reviewer contact info from Ad In Board makers, is still making me wonder what they are so worried about. Especially at the price that they are asking ...

The reviews come out a week before the cards even ship. How are they hiding/worried about anything?
 
Why is the same video posted 1500 times ~.~

I'm assuming 50% faster is with DLSS vs MSAA as well :p

Tom noted at the same settings with the same features... though he defended the 50% as about right, his other comments lend more in the 35% to 40% range, then his comment that 2080 beats 1080 Ti some of the time leads me to believe that things will not be as black and white with the RTX series right now... Guess that's why we need that new rating system nVidia is asking for ;)
 
The reviews come out a week before the cards even ship. How are they hiding/worried about anything?

first batch of cards is shipping before second week of September. So I think alot of cards will already be shipped by the time reviews hit or be in the process where you can't cancel and would have to return. I don't think they are worried but I do think they might be little worried about the pricing structure right now and how public will respond to it given previously new gen would replace the current gen with similar pricing with much more performance. Month of pre orders, then reviews a month out from announcement was little weird for me. It's just weird how they are going about it. But I do expect 35-45% performance bump in general but given the prices, not impressive at all. And I could care less about DLSS right now or RTX. I mean whats the point when even 2080ti can barely hit 60fps at 1080p lol.
 
With double axial fan design, no doubt some of the "35%-45%" is coming from comparing a 2080 to at 2100mhz with a FE 1080 Ti thermally limited running at 1700mhz.
 
Why is the same video posted 1500 times ~.~

I'm assuming 50% faster is with DLSS vs MSAA as well :p

Nah that’s without DLSS. It said “current games”. I wish DLSS supported current games but I think it’ll be the more popular/graphically demanding releasing games.
 
first batch of cards is shipping before second week of September. So I think alot of cards will already be shipped by the time reviews hit or be in the process where you can't cancel and would have to return. I don't think they are worried but I do think they might be little worried about the pricing structure right now and how public will respond to it given previously new gen would replace the current gen with similar pricing with much more performance. Month of pre orders, then reviews a month out from announcement was little weird for me. It's just weird how they are going about it. But I do expect 35-45% performance bump in general but given the prices, not impressive at all. And I could care less about DLSS right now or RTX. I mean whats the point when even 2080ti can barely hit 60fps at 1080p lol.

2080ti is doing 40-50 1440p in BFV and DICE thinks it can get another 30% out of it (60-70 at 1440p). They are also looking into rendering at 4k except making ray tracing resolution selectable. So you can render ray tracing at 1080p/90FPS or whatever and everything else at 4k which is WAYYY better than what we have now. Then you’d have high Hz 4k.

But yeah... don’t buy a card before reviews lol. Or take the Best Buy route since you have 14 days to return no questions asked AFAIK. I am going to wait to see which cards have the best powerlimits because you’re going to definitely need it with this die size.
 
2080ti is doing 40-50 1440p in BFV and DICE thinks it can get another 30% out of it (60-70 at 1440p). They are also looking into rendering at 4k except making ray tracing resolution selectable. So you can render ray tracing at 1080p/90FPS or whatever and everything else at 4k which is WAYYY better than what we have now. Then you’d have high Hz 4k.

Still not good enough lol. Atleast not 1200 dollar good enough.
 
Still not good enough lol. Atleast not 1200 dollar good enough.

Value is a personal opinion. It is a tough call to be honest and I’ve owned Titans in the past. I might try later on to understand the 7nm process more, max die size, ect. If they can actually make a faster card vs a 750mm^2 12nm die.

Generally I am fine with a card like this if I know I am set for 2+ years. I am not convinced.
 
With double axial fan design, no doubt some of the "35%-45%" is coming from comparing a 2080 to at 2100mhz with a FE 1080 Ti thermally limited running at 1700mhz.


That only buys you 100~ Mhz faster clock GPU Boost speeds, which is 5% average. IT opens a whole lot higher overclocking headroom, assuming you get voltage involved

WE have only 25% better memory bandwidth and 20% better FP32 on-paper, so there must be another thing affecting these scores, if 45% is expected from 1080 Ti to 2080 Ti.
 
I wonder if the results were at the same core/memory speed?
 
Value is a personal opinion. It is a tough call to be honest and I’ve owned Titans in the past. I might try later on to understand the 7nm process more, max die size, ect. If they can actually make a faster card vs a 750mm^2 12nm die.

Generally I am fine with a card like this if I know I am set for 2+ years. I am not convinced.

True up to a ceratin point. I think if you were getting same performance out of it to your money's worth go for it. But before we got more perfomance for same amount last year. Now its less performance for almost double the money for the new Ti. Value proposition just isn't there for me, although I do understand its a big die and stuff but that just tells me Nvidia is just cashing in on Turing since there is no cards from AMD. I think Turing would have been best at 7nm for the die size it has. I thin early adopters are just paying for it out of desperation a little since its been over two years since Pascal launch.

To me its never about money. But It has to make sense. I can spend 12k on ti right now. But nvidia can suck it for almost doubling the price from 1080ti and giving less performance on top. Compared to 980ti vs 1080ti. But I get it though, they are competing with themselves. I will just stay a gen behind if it means not letting myself be raped by nvidia. lol
 
That only buys you 100~ Mhz faster clock GPU Boost speeds, which is 5% average. IT opens a whole lot higher overclocking headroom, assuming you get voltage involved

WE have only 25% better memory bandwidth and 20% better FP32 on-paper, so there must be another thing affecting these scores, if 45% is expected from 1080 Ti to 2080 Ti.


If you look at gamer nexus bench of titan v at 2ghz, its 60-65% faster than 1080ti in low level api games like sniper elite even though it has only 42% more shader power. Assuming 0 ipc increase over volta, turing will still be up to 10-15% faster than pascal in games where it can leverage async compute.
 
If a 799$ founders 2080 ends up being withing 10-15% of a 699$ founders 1080ti that launched 18 months earlier, that's gotta be super embarrassing for Nvidia.
 
If you look at gamer nexus bench of titan v at 2ghz, its 60-65% faster than 1080ti in low level api games like sniper elite even though it has only 42% more shader power. Assuming 0 ipc increase over volta, turing will still be up to 10-15% faster than pascal in games where it can leverage async compute.


Ahh yes, II forgot that the Titan V added async compute. You can see in The Division as well,where it was %40 faster at stock clocks.

https://us.hardware.info/reviews/80...a-titan-v-review-benchmarks-the-division-dx12

The performance improvement will vary from 25-45%, depending on the game tested. The problem is,even a year after the Titan V we're still hard-pressed for games that really push async. Wolfestein II's poor-as-fuck implementation shows it's not as simple a s taking someone's working engine and turn on a switch.

I don't expect this to correct itself overnight, but having vastly more hardware support may mean more development time spent optimizing for async.
 
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I think the real tell will be if the 2070 our performs the 1080, as it has for previous generations. Otherwise those 1080 ti's parked on store shelves at price parity with the 2070's will be really attractive unless I want the new ray tracing. Then will I even be able to do that at 1440p with a 2070 and have acceptable performance?
 
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