PC GPU Market Decreased Year-to-Year by 4.9%

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According to Jon Peddie Research, the PC GPU market decreased by 4.9% YTY in the second quarter. Nvidia and others have mentioned this as well, but it's nice to get further confirmation from an outside entity. JPR also reported that AMD shipments were down 12.3% and NV 7% QTQ. AIBs were harder hit last quarter and their shipments were down a whopping 27.6% QTQ. This probably explains the glut of NV cards they are sitting on. Overall, this isn't terrible news for the market as much as it's good news for the consumer. Cards are showing up in stock all the time now and prices are dropping. I hope we never see another market like we had during the crypto frenzy earlier this year.

We can mark Q1’18 as the peak and last hurrah of the crypto-mining fever. Desktop GPUs, which went into mining rigs, have dropped back to their normal volume.

We believe the market for AIBs for crypto-mining has ended and this will likely be our last mention of it.
 
Not enough of a drop.
Nvidia, while they have "the crown" their tech got fat and expensive.
This gen, they lacked focus in making cheap chips with good performance.
AMD is not better at this point, only if the rumor of Navi being a chip with price/perfomance in mind they will be in a better position then.
It will be easy for nvidia to refresh the 10xx series and sell them cheaper, so I bet they will do that 2019.. they have done this before, and I am sure will do so now if necessary, even if screwing their own Ray Traced bull.
 
Common sense suggest that if this is the case, then they should do a discount to incite ppl to buy the cards, but reality shows that AMD cards won't even get back to MSRP.
 
Mining market dried up. Took way too long to make a ROI. NVIDIA's next gen cards isn't going to make that much better as miners don't need RTX and they are paying for it. I see miners going for the now cheaper last gen stock.

It creates an interesting situation where mfg might actually want last gen over this gen. I'm thinking anything below a 2070 will actually be a midtier card with NO RTX to keep the mining market alive (Rebranded last gen with some tweeks). NVIDIA isn't ignorant to how mining markets affect their bottom line.

Also I'm GUESSING RTX would be barely acceptable on the 2070 based on what we are seeing with the 2080Ti. Anything less powerful would make RTX useless in terms of play-ability.
 
I'm just glad that the "last gen" stuff came down in price. I finally upgraded to a 1080 in my main computer and now also have a 1070Ti to stick in a computer for my kids.

Prices were stupid high for way too long.
 
I hope we never see another market like we had during the crypto frenzy earlier this year.
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It's happened before (Litecoin buzz). Since Ethereum has ASIC's w/ a dip in valuation corresponding, people aren't willing to mine on the cards.

Once a new alt-coin gets traction that is designed to be GPU mining friendly, I'd wager we might see shortages again if cryptos start to get into a frenzy again.
 
Well I can kind of understand the waning interest. Innovation wasn't there. There is not much point in upgrading for a fps more. In the early 2000s, if you didn't buy a new GPU every 3-4 quaerter, you were out of the game basically. Your gpu just couldn't handle new games with any decent playability.
I could get away with using a 980TI for almost 3 years, and even then I only replaced it because it died.
 
M76 said:
Well I can kind of understand the waning interest. Innovation wasn't there. There is not much point in upgrading for a fps more. In the early 2000s, if you didn't buy a new GPU every 3-4 quaerter, you were out of the game basically. Your gpu just couldn't handle new games with any decent playability.
I could get away with using a 980TI for almost 3 years, and even then I only replaced it because it died.
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I got by on 2x 780's for 4 years. What's sad is I did it for more ram, not power!
 
It doesn't help that GPU prices are going up drastically and the technology advancement has stagnated. Nvidia's Ray-Tracing is the most innovative thing I've seen since bump mapping, but that's bad cause Nvidia is always making their technology incompatible with other companies, even though there are perfectly fine working open standards. Look at Gsync vs FreeSync where Nvidia owners got excited about using FreeSync on their cards cause the monitors are hella cheaper than Gsync monitors. Ray-Tracing could just as easily die in the hands of Nvidia cause they lack openness. Oh and there's Founders Edition prices that make MSRP fucking useless.
 
BloodyIron said:
Oh yeah? I call bullshit on account of the mining situation the last while... They literally couldn't keep them on the shelves.
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This is probably based on installed gpu reports from platforms such as Steam, not raw GPU sales.
 
Still waiting for the majority of Vega 56 cards to be under MSRP. Just checked Newegg and most are still well above. One was at msrp and another the same but using a rebate. I would like to get one around $350 and then move to a 1440p screen. Until then I will stick with 1080p and my RX470 and 1060. Given the prices the demand must still be enough to warrant the higher prices despite the age of both architectures.
 
Of course, with those prices no wonder people hang in there a little longer.
10 years ago i was a whore, but now i am as chill as they get so 1080p are fine and it will be for at least 5 years, which i what i hope my 1 year old monitor last, and the overkill GFX card i upgrade to soon.
They really need to keep prices under 5-600 USD TOPS for the high end cards, if they could do that i am sure they would shift more units, but 1000 USD thats just silly how the hell can you make that much money living in your mothers basement.
 
I'd like to see prices come down more. I realize they are dropping after the damn mining frenzy, but still on the high side for most people. It would help if Nvidia has some healthy competition.
 
DukenukemX said:
It doesn't help that GPU prices are going up drastically and the technology advancement has stagnated. Nvidia's Ray-Tracing is the most innovative thing I've seen since bump mapping, but that's bad cause Nvidia is always making their technology incompatible with other companies, even though there are perfectly fine working open standards. Look at Gsync vs FreeSync where Nvidia owners got excited about using FreeSync on their cards cause the monitors are hella cheaper than Gsync monitors. Ray-Tracing could just as easily die in the hands of Nvidia cause they lack openness. Oh and there's Founders Edition prices that make MSRP fucking useless.
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Your comment about proprietary technology is true for Gsync, and Physyx. Ray Tracing is part of DirectX 12, and can be used in Vulcan. If other companies can't compete performance wise with Nvidia, you will end up still being correct. It will be interesting.
 
Oldmodder said:
Of course, with those prices no wonder people hang in there a little longer.
10 years ago i was a whore, but now i am as chill as they get so 1080p are fine and it will be for at least 5 years, which i what i hope my 1 year old monitor last, and the overkill GFX card i upgrade to soon.
They really need to keep prices under 5-600 USD TOPS for the high end cards, if they could do that i am sure they would shift more units, but 1000 USD thats just silly how the hell can you make that much money living in your mothers basement.
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It's clearly something they thought they could and did get away with, they do studies in marketing to find out the very most people are willing to pay for stuff. I find it very telling that even at crazy prices, the cards are sold out. Clearly lots of people are living right in the moment and don't care to pay an early adopters fee. I agree with you, for me it's not going to happen, and I hope to take the savings and buy a beast of a card in the next two generations.
 
Kinestron said:
Still waiting for the majority of Vega 56 cards to be under MSRP. Just checked Newegg and most are still well above. One was at msrp and another the same but using a rebate. I would like to get one around $350 and then move to a 1440p screen. Until then I will stick with 1080p and my RX470 and 1060. Given the prices the demand must still be enough to warrant the higher prices despite the age of both architectures.
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It's like food prices, gas prices went up, food goes up, if gas goes down, food didn't follow. Kind of ridiculous, heads they win, tails you lose.
 
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triwolf said:
It's clearly something they thought they could and did get away with, they do studies in marketing to find out the very most people are willing to pay for stuff. I find it very telling that even at crazy prices, the cards are sold out. Clearly lots of people are living right in the moment and don't care to pay an early adopters fee. I agree with you, for me it's not going to happen, and I hope to take the savings and buy a beast of a card in the next two generations.
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Just keep in mind there is a difference of selling out 1,000 cards and selling out 10,000 cards. Some will buy no matter the price to have the latest and I think Nvidia has that in mind these days.
 
Oldmodder said:
Of course, with those prices no wonder people hang in there a little longer.
10 years ago i was a whore, but now i am as chill as they get so 1080p are fine and it will be for at least 5 years, which i what i hope my 1 year old monitor last, and the overkill GFX card i upgrade to soon.
They really need to keep prices under 5-600 USD TOPS for the high end cards, if they could do that i am sure they would shift more units, but 1000 USD thats just silly how the hell can you make that much money living in your mothers basement.
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You were a whore 10 years ago?
 
DukenukemX said:
It doesn't help that GPU prices are going up drastically and the technology advancement has stagnated. Nvidia's Ray-Tracing is the most innovative thing I've seen since bump mapping, but that's bad cause Nvidia is always making their technology incompatible with other companies, even though there are perfectly fine working open standards. Look at Gsync vs FreeSync where Nvidia owners got excited about using FreeSync on their cards cause the monitors are hella cheaper than Gsync monitors. Ray-Tracing could just as easily die in the hands of Nvidia cause they lack openness. Oh and there's Founders Edition prices that make MSRP fucking useless.
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Open rtx is actually an extension of dx by Microsoft. Amd is working on that command set also.
 
Down 5% huh. Same gpus as the year before but more expensive. Predictable.
 
So, the massive amounts of GPUs that they were stockpiling to create a huge demand while artificially over-inflating prices before the crypto crash is now biting them in their asses, because the market is sick of their pricing game bullshit? Awwwwww....
 
Bawjaws said:
I read that as he upgraded from his SLI 780s because they didn't have enough VRAM, not that he SLI'd them to get double the memory.
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Correct. I went to a 1080TI for it's 11GB from my 780's effective 3GB. What I am saying is I really think the 780's in SLI had enough grunt to handle more demanding games if it weren't for them being ram limited.
 
This should not be surprising given the concurrency mining lull.

While being down year over year looks bad, I think we all knew there was a cryptocurrency boom that would eventually be followed by a cryptocurrency lull.

The market is probably still slowly growing overall, if you correct for the cryptoicurrency blip.
 
Well, I did my part and purchased and XFX RX 570 8GB Black edition from Best Buy. (This is for my secondary computer.) Others need to pitch in now, come on, get with it. :)
 
BloodyIron said:
Um it talks about shipmetns...
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I must have missed that one as I just skimmed the article. In this case not surprised either, for older gen people either cannot afford or holding off until 2000 series. Pretty common for sales to decline with anticipation of refresh.
 
But this is year to year sales figures, and the drop has only been in the last few months, so it would not have been covered by these reports. The time-frames spoken about would include the mining spikes, hence me calling "bullshit".

zkostik said:
I must have missed that one as I just skimmed the article. In this case not surprised either, for older gen people either cannot afford or holding off until 2000 series. Pretty common for sales to decline with anticipation of refresh.
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