Intel's 9th Generation Core Family - Coffee Lake (Refresh)

I wonder how an 8C/8T compares directly to a 4C/8T, and I wonder how much we'd be missing out on by using Z370 instead of Z390. My EK monoblock fits both Gigabyte's Z270 and Z370 boards... I might be able to swing an upgrade without buying new watercooling parts! XD
 
VanGoghComplex said:
I wonder how an 8C/8T compares directly to a 4C/8T, and I wonder how much we'd be missing out on by using Z370 instead of Z390. My EK monoblock fits both Gigabyte's Z270 and Z370 boards... I might be able to swing an upgrade without buying new watercooling parts! XD
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didnt they originally mention that z390 comes with built in WLAN + BT on board so more pcie lanes can be used, but now they mention something about 3rd party which i didnt really get. wondering if anyone knows can chime in.
 
polonyc2 said:
is removing HT from the 9700K a good or bad thing for enthusiasts/gamers?...is hyperthreading important for enthusiast/gaming rigs?...or is this just Intel's way of getting people to upgrade to the more expensive 9900X chip?
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If the performance is there, what importance has if it is achieved with HT or without HT? The 8C/8T will be faster than current 6C/12T i7.
 
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any pricing info on the 9700K or 9900K?...will the 9700K be priced like the 8700K ($350)?...so the 9900K will be $100 more?
 
polonyc2 said:
any pricing info on the 9700K or 9900K?...will the 9700K be priced like the 8700K ($350)?...so the 9900K will be $100 more?
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I am expecting the 9990K to cost just below $500. Some stores are offering pre-orders at about $525.
 
juanrga said:
I am expecting the 9990K to cost just below $500. Some stores are offering pre-orders at about $525.
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do new CPU releases sell out quick on Day 1 just like GPU's or can I expect solid inventory during the first few weeks?
 
polonyc2 said:
do new CPU releases sell out quick on Day 1 just like GPU's or can I expect solid inventory during the first few weeks?
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Well last year the release was a paper launch where pretty much no retail outlet had stock for many weeks, and it was like 2 months before the 8700K was generally available without hunting for stock.
 
Sancus said:
Well last year the release was a paper launch where pretty much no retail outlet had stock for many weeks, and it was like 2 months before the 8700K was generally available without hunting for stock.
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that's not good...I'm debating whether to get an 8700K now or wait till October 1st and get a 9700K (or 9900K)...if I can't get one on the 1st day I might just get the 8700K now
 
polonyc2 said:
that's not good...I'm debating whether to get an 8700K now or wait till October 1st and get a 9700K (or 9900K)...if I can't get one on the 1st day I might just get the 8700K now
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Im tempted to just pull the trigger on a 8th gen as well
 
Dan said:
Im tempted to just pull the trigger on a 8th gen as well
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I think I'm going to wait till October 1st (it's only 4 weeks) and if the 9000 series CPU's aren't in stock anywhere within the first few days I'll buy an 8th gen chip...would be disappointing if the 9th gen comes out, is in stock, gets rave reviews but I was too impatient to wait a few weeks
 
polonyc2 said:
that's not good...I'm debating whether to get an 8700K now or wait till October 1st and get a 9700K (or 9900K)...if I can't get one on the 1st day I might just get the 8700K now
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Agreed. I just bought a 8700k to upgrade a machine. It's still in the box. Now I'm wondering if I should sell it and wait. Does anyone know if they use the same motherboards?
 
My 5ghz OC'ed 8700k is SEARING already so I have no plans to upgrade to this one. Does anyone know how the OC'ing is looking on these yet? I would expect that more cores would = less speed and more power draw which would mean higher temps even if they're able to be clocked as high. Any word on that yet?
 
polonyc2 said:
do new CPU releases sell out quick on Day 1 just like GPU's or can I expect solid inventory during the first few weeks?
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I think the stock supply will be dodgy the first two weeks. Seems to be the case in recent years. Stand aside and let the stampede herd get theirs first then buy it when you can. Its what I would do anyway.
 
the Z390 sounds like the chipset that Intel should have released last year...the lower end 370 boards actually have more features then the high end ones...but it looks like Intel is correcting this with the 390
 
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maybe someone knowledgeable can answer this. Dayman juanrga

for any Ring bus cpu design if we disable 1 or 2 cores, are we able to still use their L1/L2 and L3 cache?
what about for Mesh design?
 
Soldered IHS, eight threads on eight cores with no hyperthreading overhead, extensively refined process, said to work on Z370 (which means I can reuse my EK monoblock)... if those things remain true after launch, I see a 9700K in my future.
 
oleNBR said:
maybe someone knowledgeable can answer this. Dayman juanrga

for any Ring bus cpu design if we disable 1 or 2 cores, are we able to still use their L1/L2 and L3 cache?
what about for Mesh design?
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If you disable a core, you cannot use L1 because they are part of the core. L2 depends. If the core has L2 private (it is part of the core) and cannot be used on disabling. If the L2 is shared among cores then it can be still used.
 
juanrga said:
If you disable a core, you cannot use L1 because they are part of the core. L2 depends. If the core has L2 private (it is part of the core) and cannot be used on disabling. If the L2 is shared among cores then it can be still used.
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then what about this, for ring bus cpu we can disable cores but can't choose which ones to disable. but for mesh is that still the case? can we choose which specific cpu core to disable etc. or is that more bios dependent?
 
polonyc2 said:
the Z390 sounds like the chipset that Intel should have released last year...the lower end 370 boards actually have more features then the high end ones...but it looks like Intel is correcting this with the 390
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That's because the Z370 was just a respun Z270 with new "magical" power pins to require a new chipset. Z390 is the chipset we were all meant to have for CFL.
 
kirbyrj said:
That's because the Z370 was just a respun Z270 with new "magical" power pins to require a new chipset. Z390 is the chipset we were all meant to have for CFL.
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the Z390 is just a respun Z370 with magical power pins :D
 
is there going to be any hardware fixes in the new 9000 chips for Spectre/Meltdown/Foreshadow?
 
polonyc2 said:
is there going to be any hardware fixes in the new 9000 chips for Spectre/Meltdown/Foreshadow?
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i hope not. those stuff rarely affects us consumers, i want my cpu be top performance without all those batch/fix.
 
oleNBR said:
i hope not. those stuff rarely affects us consumers, i want my cpu be top performance without all those batch/fix.
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The existing "fixes" only affect performance because they're software bandaids slapped onto faulty hardware. I believe polonyc2 was asking if Intel is planning to fix the actual processors this go-around.
 
Review: Intel Core i7-9700K (Exclusive)
BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
09/10/2018
CPUS & APUS
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We started the week with the filtration of a global exclusive: the review of the new Intel Core i7-9700K . As you already know, it is the first Core i7 processor with 8 cores and 8 threads , so it does not have the HyperThreading technology to duplicate them.

Let's see first its complete technical specifications :

Intel Core i7-9700K
Socket LGA 1151
Family Coffee Lake
Fabrication process 14 nm
Cores / Threads 8 cores / 8 threads
Base Frequency 3.60 GHz
Turbo Frequency 4.60 / 4.90 GHz (all / one core)
Cache L3 12 MB
Integrated Graphics Intel HD Graphics 630
Compatible Memory DDR4-2666 Dual-Channel
PCIe lines 16 lines
TDP 95W
Index of contents [Ocultar]

Intel Core i7-9700K
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Not being a commercial sample, but engineering, we do not have its packaging nor does it have the screen printing on the package that we could expect, but it is still the same processor that will soon be on sale.

As we anticipated, the Intel Core i7-9700K has 8 cores / threads that start from a base frequency of 3.60 GHz to reach 4.60 GHz with all its active cores, being able to carry only one up to 4.90GHz . It also has 12 MB of L3 cache memory , a strange figure that is usually multiple of the number of cores, but not in this case.

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As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EMT64, VT-x, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and TSX, similar to those of previous generation.

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Obviously it is a processor for the LGA1151 socket and therefore makes use of the " Land Grip Array " connection system, where the pins are on the motherboard and not on the processor. In addition, as we all know, the "K" in its nomenclature indicates that the frequency multiplier of the processor is unlocked and therefore we can perform overclocking on it (also on the BCLK).

Test Equipment
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Being a motherboard that has not yet been released to the market (chipset Z390), we can not show or cite it, but say it is a high-end model. Nor can we indicate a model to avoid harming the manufacturer.

Synthetic Tests
Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264), memories (Aida64) or focused on games (3D Mark).

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As we can see, the Intel Core i7-9700K is a good beast in monohilo tasks , but in multithread only improves the previous generations, but not the AMD Ryzen 7 that duplicate it in threads, with the same number of cores. It is also expected a great equality in games according to the benchmarks, something that we confirm in most titles.

Games
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Temperature, Overclocking and Consumption
Focusing first on the temperature, we have to say that the Intel Core i7-9700K has reached 95º on average between its nuclei in the stress test of Aida64 , something that happens because the plate gives a very high voltage if we leave it in automatic. Surely with another BIOS the values will be adjusted to lower voltages, so we will approach the 70ºC that we achieved with 1.2V fixed.

On consumption , say that varies between 160W to 1.2V to 240W with the voltage in automatic, so we will see large differences depending on the motherboard used.

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Finally, we need to talk about its ability to overclocking , which has been noticeably lower in this unit than in others that we have seen filtered on the network. With 1.4V fixed in BIOS, although it appears 1.3V in CPU-Z, we have managed to reach 5.00 GHz , a really not insignificant figure, more for a total of 8 cores. Regarding the published filtration, if it were real, we could be facing a 'black leg' silicon (CPU selected by hand knowing that it is better).

conclusion
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To have them from the tests and the results obtained, the Intel Core i7-9700K is a step forward similar to what we have used Intel in each iteration of this range, although where the differences will really be in the i7-9900K .

Whether it is worth it or not, its acquisition will depend to a great extent on its price, which is estimated at around 440 euros (to which to add the dissipator). If this quality comes true, it could not fight against the Ryzen 7 2700X in terms of performance / price, with the i7-8700K being a great rival for around 70 euros less . Intel will therefore have to lower its price if it wants to offer more competition, because AMD has firmly planted its face and it seems that it is going for long.

Main advantages
+ Excellent mononuclear performance
+ Very good multi-thread performance
+ Good capacity of OC, arrives easy at 5 GHz
Negative aspects
- High price, within the expected
- Leaving aside HyperThreading can never be a success
Other Aspects
* Compatible with Z370 plates, although Z390 is recommended
From El Chapuzas Informático we awarded the Gold Award to the Intel Core i7-9700K .

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Read more: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/09/intel-core-i7-9700k-review/
 
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