sounds bulky. It better cool well lol.
Which card are you planning on trying it on?
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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sounds bulky. It better cool well lol.
Which card are you planning on trying it on?
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No, stock cables in the Silverstone SFX PSUs are nice .
Aye, the cables that come with Silverstone PSUs are infinitely better than those that Corsair ship with - the Corsair cables are far too rigid for my liking and a bit of a nightmare to tidy, whereas the Silvestone ones are a lot more malleable and just far nicer to work with.
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Assuming no GPU: Has anyone tried fitting the dual HDD caddy in the bottom rear section of the case?
I'm currently vertically mounting my GPU so that space normally occupied by the graphics card is empty in my configuration. I believe dimension wise it would fit, but I'm just not sure about the screws lining up.
I'll be redoing my system in a bit so I am considering my options. When I get to my teardown I will share how it goes and how things end up fitting.
Such a config could allow:
Config A
-Vertically mounted ITX GPU (bifurcated in my case)
-4 3.5 inch HDDs (normal+bottom rear locations)
-120mm bottom front fan/AIO
Config B:
-Vertically mounted full size dual slot graphics card
-2 3.5 in. HDDs in bottom rear
-120mm intake fan/AIO
Config C:
-Vertically mounted ITX graphics card
-120mm fan/AIO in front side over PSU
-2 3.5 in. HDDs in bottom rear
-120mm fan/AIO in front bottom location under PSU
I am also considering slim exhaust/intake fans at the top of the case as I'm sure these configs could potentially produce a lot of heat
I'm currently vertically mounting my GPU so that space normally occupied by the graphics card is empty in my configuration. I believe dimension wise it would fit, but I'm just not sure about the screws lining up.
I'll be redoing my system in a bit so I am considering my options. When I get to my teardown I will share how it goes and how things end up fitting.
Such a config could allow:
Config A
-Vertically mounted ITX GPU (bifurcated in my case)
-4 3.5 inch HDDs (normal+bottom rear locations)
-120mm bottom front fan/AIO
Config B:
-Vertically mounted full size dual slot graphics card
-2 3.5 in. HDDs in bottom rear
-120mm intake fan/AIO
Config C:
-Vertically mounted ITX graphics card
-120mm fan/AIO in front side over PSU
-2 3.5 in. HDDs in bottom rear
-120mm fan/AIO in front bottom location under PSU
I am also considering slim exhaust/intake fans at the top of the case as I'm sure these configs could potentially produce a lot of heat
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Thermalright just announced a new full copper CPU cooler that resembles NH-C14, would this be a good fit for NCase?
http://thermalright.com/product/axp-100-full-copper/
http://thermalright.com/product/axp-100-full-copper/
It would probably be closer (or even lesser) in performance to the NH-L12 / NH-L12s than the C14/C14s
NHC14 is surelly far bigger. I don't expect this new CPU cooler to perform anything close to the C14( and that quite logical)
But it might provide a good alternative especially with an I5.
I think that the C14 remain the king of the Air cooler CPU for the Ncase.
It does not fit universally, but with some slight tinkering here and there it will fit. IE, ATX mount the psu, low profile ram and sata/usb 3, full size fan underneath or slim fan on top etc. The performance goes directly in line with what you would think. C14s > C14 > U9S > D9L > L9i.
It's one of the smallest open air 1080tis and fits very easily with plenty of room around it to work with cables and air flow/ducting etc. I changed to the EVGA because it was much smaller than my older Strix card which seemed to trap air and actually be louder than the EVGA. Bigger cards can be a pain in the butt to work around depending on your level of patience
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I think this side-to-side top-down view comparison proves that you can take the shroud off of the XC Ultra and treat it like an Accelero with 2 120x25mm fans underneath. With the shroud off it seems to be almost perfectly a 2-slot card. Really cool.
And yes, it'll fit. The M1 supports cards up to 279mm in the 3rd slot and the XC Ultra is 269mm long.
And yes, it'll fit. The M1 supports cards up to 279mm in the 3rd slot and the XC Ultra is 269mm long.
If the XC Ultra fits as is, then is there a point in taking the shroud off?
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This would be interesting to see. I wonder if there really is enough room for 25 mm thick fans underneath when the stock fans and shroud are removed.
Removing the stock fans would allow you to use different/larger fans (120mm or 140 mm (round with 120 mm mounting holes + new holes in M1 bottom)). You could also decide if the fans should be intakes or exhausts.
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I'm considering the XC Ultra for this reason. If it can be a makeshift Accelero and perform similarly, then I would do it just for the aesthetic benefit going from aluminum fins to what appear to be nickel plated fins which would match the c14s. I'll wait for someone else to experiment first though.
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Yeah, again from the picture it seems like the XC Ultra without the shroud is almost perfectly 2-slot. So there will be a small gap between the fans and the heatsink. But you can solve this problem with rubber gaskets or rubber washers to raise the fans a little. Also fixes GPU sag.
the page says the ultra has a thicker heatsink and taller fan hub, is the accelero replacing the heaksink as well? and if yes how does the accelero heatsink cool better?
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No I think the plan is to remove the fans and shroud to leave a do-it-yourself Accelero that is only 2 slots thick and can accommodate 25 mm thick fans on the bottom of the case.
Q: Does anyone else think that blocking 2 holes of an 8-pin PCI-E connector to make it a 6-pin connector looks ugly?
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I just noticed that. I'd never seen that before. Why did they do that...? Is the reference dual 8-pin, but they figured 8-pin+6-pin was enough, so they just connected the two ground wires of the 8-pin with those plugs? Did I answer my own question?
Also, what is the advantage of an 8-pin over a 6-pin if you can just adapt it like that?
i mean they do say these arent final but yeah its a bit silly to cover 2 holes. plus i though 2080tis were suppouse to be 2-8 pins because of the increased power draw
its still aprox 2.5 slots without the shroud, its the heatsink thats taking up the space.
its still aprox 2.5 slots without the shroud, its the heatsink thats taking up the space.
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You can't use a straight 8 pin plug and a 6+2 plug you will have to remove the +2 so the blocked portion will still show. And yes I agree it looks like hell.
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If there are no pins underneath the two hole covers, then users should be allowed to plug the "+2" into these holes. In the past, I've cut off the +2 wires and sealed the ends of the wires, but plugging them into unpinned connector holes would be preferable, in my opinion.
To further reduce any risk of an electrical connection, I could cap or fill the ends of the +2 wires before inserting them into the unpinned holes in the card.
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That's the thing, with the Ultra, one should have the ability to remove the shroud & fans from the card & use a pair of full-sized fans below (I would go with a pair of Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans)...
AKA a DIY Accelero set-up...
With the XC, you have a slimmer heat sink & the possibility of the GPU fans & added fans below 'fighting' each other...
With the Ultra / DIY Accelero combo, you get a larger heat sink & a better / simpler fan set-up...
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Do you have any data to back that up? or that you can point me to?.. As far as I am aware (the data I have seen here and there) the C14 is the king.. The reason being that on the C14, you can fit full depth/height (25mm) fans.. Either 1x 140mm or 2x 120mm (side by side) and one underneather.. That moves a lot more air (normalised to the same noise), than the 15mm slim fan ontop of the C14S.
I'm working on testing and compiling all of the data for an upcoming youtube video which should be out before the end of the year. It will include every possible test (within reason) with all fan configurations and four popular Noctua coolers. Obviously that's a long time from now so I will reply back to you whenever it's finished.
As for the C14s vs C14 - my current data is for the tempered glass window using one fan. In that circumstance the c14s beats everything else when you put a 25mm thick 140mm fan under the sink and push the air towards the glass. It fits.
Quick edit: Obv that's a picture with sodimm memory. For Z series boards or even the little amd kids you should be able to get away with RAM no higher than 40mm. Corsair Vengeance LPX is awesome at 31mm.
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Ya, I can also see the C14S do better in that scenario, as the cooler itself is bigger and you only have that one fan to do all the work.
I doubt the result is the same in a "normal" configuration with the std. side panel. as you can get a lot more air (with less work from the fan).. that is atleast what the data I have witness told me..
BTW.. By data I don't mean in a "scientificly way".. I just mean by the observations you have made in real life or from other peoples nonscientific studies..
What compromises are there being made by using a SFX PSU in a ATX bracket? Can you fx use fullsize GFXs?
Thanks!
Ya, I can also see the C14S do better in that scenario, as the cooler itself is bigger and you only have that one fan to do all the work.
I doubt the result is the same in a "normal" configuration with the std. side panel. as you can get a lot more air (with less work from the fan).. that is atleast what the data I have witness told me..
BTW.. By data I don't mean in a "scientificly way".. I just mean by the observations you have made in real life or from other peoples nonscientific studies..
What compromises are there being made by using a SFX PSU in a ATX bracket? Can you fx use fullsize GFXs?
Thanks!
I didn't really have to compromise on anything by putting an SFX-L psu in the atx position. I did not use the brackets though as I couldn't get the screw holes to line up properly. I just used some 3m adhesive tape. That allowed me to put it exactly where I wanted it and even within 2mm from the top panel with the power connected.
Full size gpu's fit fine. Custom cables are recommended. Actual SFX PSU's in the ATX positions leaves tons of room for cables.
For anyone reading, I am taking some suggestions on specific programs to use for the temperature tests. My initial thought was for gaming purposes only as I don't think there's really any way for me to do 8 hour aida stress tests with any of the setups. It would just take too long. There's several hundred different ways to configure fans. Here's what I have so far just for the C14. Obviously this is very early stages.
I would like to try to limit everything to two total hours of testing per setup. That means it'll only take me ~600 hours to do all of the testing. I'm looking for any ideas or suggestions. Stock clocks? Mild overclock? Equalized fan speeds? I need a consensus.
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That is a really cool picture. Do you have bottom intake fans? I wonder how much of the air for the C14S and the PSU comes from the top and backside. Have you noticed increased dust? Would love to see an album of pictures as a teaser before the video if you have them.