Gamers Nexus Calls Out Tom’s Hardware for Their “Just Buy It” RTX 2080 Article

Writer write an article about why not to buy RTX.
Tom's Hardware hears from nVidia.
Tom's editor writes an over the top tongue in cheek article encouraging people to just buy it.
Maybe Tom's Hardware has more to lose than a gaming rig like that Indian guy.
 
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Huh. It really has been a while since I visited TH. Glad they finally tidied up the site a bit. It was a nightmare to navigate through some years back. Forums still looking as garish as usual.
 
While one the one hand ray tracing is a big deal it comes with a pretty hefty price tag, and a pretty hefty frame rate decrease. Nvidia marketing seems to be babbling on about 4k gaming and ignoring the fact that RT effects seem to necessitate a drastic drop in resolution\game settings to get playable frame rates. You could say they are misleading people to an extent with their current stance. There was a video up today briefly of BFV gameplay from gamescom and with the effects on the game was stuttering all over the place and at one point basically froze for 2 seconds before resuming, its since been taken down but with articles like Toms hardware is putting out they're pretty misleading like all is fine and dandy with frame rate in games when its not the case.

It's an important tech for sure, but i think it's a bit premature. Advertising 4k gaming then having to go down to 1080p for some shadow and reflection effects at sub 50fps is a bit of a big ask considering the price tag. And unless you go for the absolute top end card then RT performance is only gonna get worse as you opt for the "cheaper" models.
 
The article is bought and paid for by Nvidia.

The editor saw an article saying to wait, so he threw his own employee under the bus and then tried to make him sound like he was an idiot (which the editor inflicted on himself).

Basically the head editor was trying to save face because of the call he was going to get or already got from Nvidia about the negative article (in Nvidia's eyes) that was published.
 
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The GN basically highlighting that it ls poorly written and contradicts itself often in the attempt to make an argument .. I like the anology of being an early adopter is beneficial because the apple display cost $2k when released and the early adopters got to enjoy for years before the price dropped ...and they are very cool because they could spend so much on such a immature technology . They also called out that the review site was making a recommendation without any hands on review and I think stated that the site basically said you don't need sites like Toms for reviews any more .

I have always liked GN stance as they usually understand the value of a dollar (or kilobuck) and tend to judge each products on their own merits .. they had a case review where a case had poor thermals and called it out because mfg had stated in marketing it was better . Then the next case reviewed wasn't much better but it had no claim of being a better case and they simply stated that the thermals were not good ..but went back to the other to state again don't lie in your marketing.

So ... personally I think GN is my kind of site ..not for the expose' on toms assinine article but because they are a tech tuber and review site that does really review and just doesn't bench last years $1000 plus most bested cpu and video against the newer $1000 plus most newest and expensive thing released this quarter ...as many Tech tubers do .. as I very rarely spend more than $200 CPU myself and more than a few hundred for video. Also so many sites are not really reviews they will find something nice to say about any thing sent to them for free while unboxing and will highlight what the mfg says is better about the new item vs the manufacturers previous version. The others also tend to focus on aesthetics like cable colors and mainboard colors being coordinated with cases and of course cooling fluid and components . If I was given a 8086k and payed close to $200 or more for board , and then $180ish for RAM ..and $200 for NVme before my video card ...I would not buy a $150 video card and budget a $500 plus open loop cooling solution that needed annual maintenance ..would raise video card budget and drop to sub $100 cooler that is great and enjoy what ever daily driver OC achieved . The NOT GN tech tubers spend alot of time reviewing very expensive stuff I would never buy that was given to them by mfg...on a $5k HEDT machine it is the frosting on a cake ..on a $1200 gamer system it sucks up alot of dough for 'aestetics' .

Kenny
 
nVidia Marketing: The Way It's Meant To Be Paid

The combination of nVidia and the games industry in general should have scared anyone off of pre-ordering any piece of hardware and software, until a variety of real-world benchmarks have come out plus a patch or two. As Mark Twain famously quoted, "There are lies, damned lies, and pre-release manufacturer benchmarks".
 
Well put.
I hope Kyle never sells for that same reason. (I'd understand if he did, because who doesn't like money)

I believe Kyle has stated before that he would rather tell every buyer to fuck off and then proceed to burn everything to the ground before he'd sell. Sure, he could change his mind in time but he's ignored every offer to buy the site and forums so far.
 
It was an opinion article. People need to relax FFS.

"Opinion" articles penned by the Editor in Chief which read as pure 100% shill pieces should not be ignored. Nor should people "just relax". In case you don't know it, the Editor in Chief has control of all articles written, opinion or otherwise and therefore exerts a huge amount of control over what is written. In other words, it's hugely important to watch what someone in this position writes.
 
Seems to me TH is trying to reach out to both sides of the 20XX fence to garner not only views but stave off nVidia's advertising withdrawal wrath. Nothing new. I'm one of the crowd who waits until real world gaming benchmarks are released from reputable review websites.
 
I've been willfully blind to Tom's Hardware for years. I've long since learned to disregard the site whenever it pops up in my search results for hardware related topics.
 
Given this past week with regards to Nvidia's PR .. I'm curious if maybe the preorder numbers aren't what they expected at the price point?

It almost seems like their marketing department is pulling out all of the stops to try and push these cards more than usual.
 
I remember how biased against AMD tom's used to be (axp vs p4, a64 for p4)

They've been on my ignore list ever since
 
Plain and simple the card is too insanely expensive. 1600 in Canada does include 12 percent taxes. Stick to my 1080tis.
 
Seems to me TH is trying to reach out to both sides of the 20XX fence to garner not only views but stave off nVidia's advertising withdrawal wrath. Nothing new. I'm one of the crowd who waits until real world gaming benchmarks are released from reputable review websites.

It sure looks that way, especially given their history with Intel advertising. A goofy attempt to put up Pro/Con arguments. GN does an amusing rip on several of the TH's pro rtx angle. The time argument is a favorite of mine. Oh noes, I won't be able to play ray traced games for another year or two and I might die in the mean time.
 
It almost seems like their marketing department is pulling out all of the stops to try and push these cards more than usual.

Not that I'd push it past Nvidia to work to make a buck- that is what they do, remember!- but what I will add is that ray tracing is going to have the same 'critical mass' problem that VR faces, just with lower user adjustment (no headset) and higher hardware requirements.

So, getting some measurable market saturation will help make the business case for the software side. And not just engines which are mostly there, but filtering down into more shipping and perhaps even already shipped games. It will also help make the business case for support from AMD (I fully expect AMD to have the tech working, but they struggle so much to get solutions out the door...) as well as Intel, Apple with their home-grown GPU, Qualcomm, etc. as soon as possible.
 
All I know is I ain't buying a 20xx. Too rich for my blood. I'm still on a GTX 770 (although it's a 4 gb one). I'll upgrade to a 10xx if the prices come down. Nvidia is just getting out of hand and out of sight with their pricing. I don't game as much as I used to, still game at 1080p and about the only game I'm playing lately is Kerbal Space Program. Nvidia has the attitude of, "we know there will always be gamers for the supply and demand side, so we're just going to stick it up their ass, cause even though they will be butt hurt, they will still buy".
 
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judging by the comments it seems toms readers are calling them out on their bullshit too.

thank goodness.
 
I will say it is a sad day if Tom's Hardware has been bought and that article was indeed a PR puff piece. We'll see if they acknowledge and respond to the outcry. I may no longer read their site.
 
I will say it is a sad day if Tom's Hardware has been bought and that article was indeed a PR puff piece. We'll see if they acknowledge and respond to the outcry. I may no longer read their site.

If it was a PR puff piece they probably would have done a better job iso contradicting half his statements in the same paragraph, more like shear incompetence.
 
The GN basically highlighting that it ls poorly written and contradicts itself often in the attempt to make an argument .. I like the anology of being an early adopter is beneficial because the apple display cost $2k when released and the early adopters got to enjoy for years before the price dropped ...and they are very cool because they could spend so much on such a immature technology . They also called out that the review site was making a recommendation without any hands on review and I think stated that the site basically said you don't need sites like Toms for reviews any more .

This was one of the most ludicrous parts of the entire article. As if any one regrets not forking over $2000 worth of their hard-earned dollars to look at a new screen a few months ahead of time.

Talk about over the top. As if the biggest regret someone will have when their life flashes before their eyes is not getting enough CG ray-tracing. Never mind not spending more time with their parents and children or doing and going to places they want. No, it will be not getting enough CG ray tracing because that real-world stuff just doesn't measure up. What nonsense.
 
The GN basically highlighting that it ls poorly written and contradicts itself often in the attempt to make an argument .. I like the anology of being an early adopter is beneficial because the apple display cost $2k when released and the early adopters got to enjoy for years before the price dropped ...and they are very cool because they could spend so much on such a immature technology . They also called out that the review site was making a recommendation without any hands on review and I think stated that the site basically said you don't need sites like Toms for reviews any more .

This was one of the most ludicrous parts of the entire article. As if any one regrets not forking over $2000 worth of their hard-earned dollars to look at a new screen a few months ahead of time.

Talk about over the top. As if the biggest regret someone will have when their life flashes before their eyes is not getting enough CG ray-tracing. Never mind not spending more time with their parents and children or doing and going to places they want. No, it will be not getting enough CG ray tracing because that real-world stuff just doesn't measure up. What nonsense.
 
The GN basically highlighting that it ls poorly written and contradicts itself often in the attempt to make an argument .. I like the anology of being an early adopter is beneficial because the apple display cost $2k when released and the early adopters got to enjoy for years before the price dropped ...and they are very cool because they could spend so much on such a immature technology . They also called out that the review site was making a recommendation without any hands on review and I think stated that the site basically said you don't need sites like Toms for reviews any more .

This was one of the most ludicrous parts of the entire article. As if any one regrets not forking over $2000 worth of their hard-earned dollars to look at a new screen a few months ahead of time.

Talk about over the top. As if the biggest regret someone will have when their life flashes before their eyes is not getting enough CG ray-tracing. Never mind not spending more time with their parents and children or doing and going to places they want. No, it will be not getting enough CG ray tracing because that real-world stuff just doesn't measure up. What nonsense.
 
Their GPU Hierarchy chart is the only thing I have bookmarked over on their site and the only reason I hit their site.
 
The comment section at Tom's is hilarious. 'Geekinchief' is trying desperately to do damage control, but his stuff is just down voted out of view.
 
Haven't been to Toms Hardware and over a decade. I remember them being pretty popular in the early late 90's early 2000's.
 
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