Have you seen Tom’s Hardware piece on RTX?

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So, this happened yesterday:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-the-money,37689.html

I’m baffled at how low TH is sinking. This is so full of garbage, even Gamers Nexus has poked fun at it today:



The video is quite fun to watch. I’m all for people buying what they want when they want, but this article basically shames anyone who’s happy to wait for 7nm (like myself). The main logic here is a very 3rd grade type SPEND MONEY SO YOU CAN BE FIRST! It’s quite pathetic. I’ll never understand arguing to get a new feature that will barely be implemented in the next 12 months... Why not wait for gen 2, if Raytracing is what you’re really after? I wonder how many people will be swayed by it. There’s plenty of fanboys and gals around, that’s for sure.
 
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If he said it was satire we could at least write it off as a poor attempt at humor.
In it's current state, it's either shilling (at worst) or trolling (at best). Either way I'm amazed he actually published the article and came back to defend it on their forums.

He'll get a few extra clicks over the next few days but the site's rep is permanently tarnished. They'll never be allowed to defend Nvidia or criticize AMD w/o someone bringing up this article, even if for legit reasons.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
He'll get a few extra clicks over the next few days but the site's rep is permanently tarnished. They'll never be allowed to defend Nvidia or criticize AMD w/o someone bringing up this article, even if for legit reasons.
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And people were just starting to take TH seriously after the last time they became a laughing stock.
 
I just started watching Steve's response a few seconds ago glad someone posted this.
 
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First is only the second loser.... Or 3rd place is 1st when viewed from the back....ah fuck it. I suck at sports analogies.
 
Why not wait for 5nm? It starts in 2020 at the fabs.

I agree. Buy the RTX. The tech gods need more cash to fuel the R&D machine. AMD just funnels it to their CPU side. ;)
 
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There are plenty of people around here that agree with the Toms article. So is the author really that crazy?
 
THUMPer said:
There are plenty of people around here that agree with the Toms article. So is the author really that crazy?
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I only really object to the title of the article.

They can recommend that you buy, and support that recommendation well. Great!

But do not put a title out that screams 'we're shills'.
 
THUMPer said:
There are plenty of people around here that agree with the Toms article. So is the author really that crazy?
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Well, yeah. A review site "trying" to seem even remotely reputable, telling you to buy an expensive new hardware item just to be among the first to do it, is the equivalent of "who has the biggest dick". So yeah, some people with ridiculous priorities may agree with it, that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
 
Yeah the writer owns alot of Nvidia stock the fact that nobody hasn't properly benchmarked the cards and noobody has one basically just adds fuel to the fire.
 
Comixbooks said:
Yeah the writer owns alot of Nvidia stock the fact that nobody hasn't properly benchmarked the cards and noobody has one basically just adds fuel to the fire.
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More likely they want to make sure they get preferential treatment from NVIDIA.

I frankly haven't even considered Tomshardware a tech site for a while.
 
What is going to happen you buy the card right you install the card in a open slot. What happens mentally to you after a month you hit a wall. its like winning the lottery your life is wrecked. You can't upgrade any farther because you have the very best.
 
Even if this guy comes out and says it was a joke, I wouldn't believe it for a second.
 
nothing wrong in the article imo, I'm personally planing to upgrade my GTX 670 to a used RTX 2070 after 6-12 months :D
 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wait-to-buy-nvidia-geforce-rtx-gpus,37673.html
Why You Shouldn’t Buy Nvidia’s RTX 20-Series Graphics Cards

They wrote the other side, too, why doesn't that have 303 comments?

It is worth noting that the same author of the first article, Avrim Pitch, also wrote

10 Windows 10 Settings You Should Change Right Away

which was so panned that they edited the article. It was really bad, one of the first things was, yep, you guessed right, toggle UAC off. There was some other really bad stuff in there, too, but I can't remember it all.


I am/was a big THG fan up until the past two months. These things on their own would be really bad, but they've also been churning out a bunch of "tech tips" type stuff (like the Win 10 suggestions)
and I mean a lot

What Is a CPU's IPC? A Basic Definition

What Is a Motherboard? A Basic Definition
Do You Really Need 32 Cores?
How to Format a Hard Drive Using the Command Prompt
How to Enter the BIOS on Any PC: Access Keys by Manufac...

What Is Clock Speed? A Basic Definition


WTF. This is stuff that if you don't know, you don't care about, or if you do care about, you learned somewhere else a long time ago. These were all within the last month and I skipped a LOT of the "basic definition" stuff. RAM, SSDs, 4k, lol thanks for the sweet knowledge.

Also worth mentioning that they didn't get https until late 2017. For a tech site. just lol.



 
ZeqOBpf6 said:
WTF. This is stuff that if you don't know, you don't care about, or if you do care about, you learned somewhere else a long time ago. These were all within the last month and I skipped a LOT of the "basic definition" stuff. RAM, SSDs, 4k, lol thanks for the sweet knowledge.
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I have no problem with them aggregating these concepts into a digestible form, if that is what they are doing, also so long as it is correct, sourced, and points toward further sources of learning, because everyone has to start somewhere.

Asshattery like 'disable security features that are annoying' needs to be stomped out fast, though, and does massive damage to whatever reputation they had left.
 
im trying to remember the first time toms hardware jumped the shark so to speak. wasnt it something to do with burning up athlons compared to pentiums?
 
edit: bad memory

Toms did something extra stupid over 10 years ago that flushed their older but decent rep down the toilet, just can't seem to remember what exactly.
 
sk3tch said:
This whole thing is for clicks, guys. Even the response video. Instead of creating actual, good content they're just posting content that gets people nuts. Don't support it.
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This. But in point of fact, so are the articles it's responding to. I can state without hyperbole that I saw no less than 5 articles from different companies that were nothing more than 2 paragraphs about why pre-ordering expensive tech isn't a good idea when you don't know exactly what it's performance is. Honestly it could have been written for literally any new tech and just had "GeForce RTX 2080" inserted. Nevermind the fact that this release is just another turning of the crank that was established well over a decade ago, and in all likelihood will be within a reasonable margin of every previous iteration that came. And if not? You can be damn sure there are always people out there who are willing to pay a premium to be first, even if the performance IS pure shit. If it all goes to hell, you can always sell to one of them.

Seriously, it's like this is the first time some people have seen a GPU release. o_O

Personally, I've got four on order. The only thing I'm waiting on independent reviews to determine is how many I should scalp, and how many I should keep.
 
daiceman9 said:
I feel like everyone but ZeqOBpf6 is ignoring the fact this was part of a Point-Counterpoint Op-Ed. The day before they posted the Point:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wait-to-buy-nvidia-geforce-rtx-gpus,37673.html

With this article being the counterpoint. This is not "zomg tom's hardware r NVidia shills!!!!"
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Think that may have gotten written only because of the backlash? Seems like you would want those going up at the same time, or better yet, in one combined article.
 
I think it was supposed to be a part of a point-counter point article series. The articles weren't linked and caused chaos. I don't think the piece was meant to be taken as a singular standalone thing. At least it gave TR the web traffic though lol
 
Whach said:
I think it was supposed to be a part of a point-counter point article series. The articles weren't linked and caused chaos. I don't think the piece was meant to be taken as a singular standalone thing. At least it gave TR the web traffic though lol
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I don't think as many people are missing that as is being suggested. When you do a A/B counter-articles, the editor writes an initial paragraph explaining that it's a 2 part series exploring both perspectives. TH did not do that. One article went out against buying the RTX series, and the 2nd one seems like a reaction to the first one (the beginning of its text even implies that).

I'm inclined to believe this is not an A/B piece, otherwise their editor should be fired. This piece deserves all the criticism it's getting.
 
euskalzabe said:
I don't think as many people are missing that as is being suggested. When you do a A/B counter-articles, the editor writes an initial paragraph explaining that it's a 2 part series exploring both perspectives. TH did not do that. One article went out against buying the RTX series, and the 2nd one seems like a reaction to the first one (the beginning of its text even implies that).

I'm inclined to believe this is not an A/B piece, otherwise their editor should be fired. This piece deserves all the criticism it's getting.
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When I was reading the article, I thought he was having difficulty in generating valid reasons himself and came up with a load of diatribe and one-liners that were not really believable.....I thought it was a poor attempt at satire myself at first.

In the end, I just think he was tasked with coming up with an opposing article, half-arsed it, then didn't properly set it up in relation to the opposing piece. In the end, red-faced or not, the site must have received much attention and traffic. As far as I'm concerned, storm in a tea-cup. Now, if the actual review pulls punches, then TR should be summarily slammed. I just think it was too non-nonsensical to be actually considered seriously and become unnecessarily outraged.
 
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