Samsung Note 9 - expected pricing is utterly ludicrous

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Got a friend who just buys phones 'cause he can, he of course pre-ordered the 512GB Lavender Purple one earlier for $1249 using AT&T's 2 year monthly thing which says about $42 a month as part of his upgrade potential. Crazy stuff, and I told him he's insane but whatever, he loves to tell me his smartphones and the almost 1,000 movies and TV shows he's got on his Google Play account he's purchased over the years are his simple pleasure in life. :)
 
Well, even though I said it wasn't much of a difference, I ordered myself the beast one. 512gb, Ocean Blue. Can't wait for it to get here. Also ordered the Galaxy Watch. iPhone X will go up forsale soon.

Hope I get it before I leave town on the 25th for VMWORLD. hehe.
 
I liked the phone, but I don't know if I want to pay that price. We'll see, but I don't think that I'll pre-order the device.
 
I probably wont be ordering one. I wonder if I'd get in trouble for selling my discount code...
 
Gonna get one for the wife. TMobile is offering 500$ in bill credits over 24 months to trade in an s7 or above. No plans to leave TMobile so for 600$ with tax is not haft bad for a flagship phone. She uses her phone for alot of things so she will appreciate this large phone with good battery life.
 
Yeah, I have a spare S8 laying around that I was intending to sell. Trading that in for the Note9 to make it $600 is a no brainer, IF I needed a new phone. I have an S9+ already, so there's no reason for me to actually spend money on this.

Now... if I can convince Samsung to send me one for free one more time, I'll gladly take it and sell off my S8 and S9+.
 
Yeah, I have a spare S8 laying around that I was intending to sell. Trading that in for the Note9 to make it $600 is a no brainer, IF I needed a new phone. I have an S9+ already, so there's no reason for me to actually spend money on this.

Now... if I can convince Samsung to send me one for free one more time, I'll gladly take it and sell off my S8 and S9+.
sell both and you could get a note 9
 
Just ordered myself the 512GB Blue and my wife the 128 GB blue with the BOGO deal on Verizon. I have still been rocking the note 4 but it is past its last leg. I have the dreaded MMC problem and have to run Wake Lock on my note 4 or it will reboot constantly.
 
Just pre ordered the 512 blue for myself and the 128gb for the wife now just to get them in and get 2 free agk n60 wireless blutooth headsets
 
Just pre ordered the 512 blue for myself and the 128gb for the wife now just to get them in and get 2 free agk n60 wireless blutooth headsets
Yea, my kids are begging for us to get the Fortnite crap and I'm like hell no we are getting the headphones, lol.
 
were actually gonna pay the $99 and get both ass both me and my son play the game and he really wants the skin as do i.
 
were actually gonna pay the $99 and get both ass both me and my son play the game and he really wants the skin as do i.

Pretty sure you get the skin regardless if you get the V-Buck bonus or not. You just have to login and play the game on the Note 9 device.
 
Pretty sure you get the skin regardless if you get the V-Buck bonus or not. You just have to login and play the game on the Note 9 device.
If that's true, how many Note 9 and/or Tab S4 owners are just gonna let random people around them log into Fortnite through their devices just to snag the free skin without paying for anything?

I sense an opportunity here, as long as they don't make it a one-time-per-IMEI thing, sorta like how getting free games on the Oculus Store with the Rift itself and its Touch controllers is linked to the hardware serials and whoever logs into the Store app account with those serials connected first.
 
I saw people on craigslist literally less than an hour after that Note9 keynote offering their devices to be used to sign in and get that skin, or people asking for people with a Note9 (when it ships to 'em) if they could "rent" their phones just to get that skin so, yeah, Humanity is full of fucktards willing to fork over money for something that doesn't even exist. Now with the patched APK installer files, all that is rendered moot of course but even so, what Humans are willing to do for literally nothing of actual substance anymore, it's 10 steps beyond sad and pathetic in ways that the word "pathetic" can't adequately convey. :p
 
I have a promo code for $350 off if you buy at Samsung's website. $55 for it. Must have good feedback. PM me.
 
I have a promo code for $350 off if you buy at Samsung's website. $55 for it. Must have good feedback. PM me.

I broke down and ordered a 512gb in blue. I sent you a PM I think big_aug I would reorder again if I could get that code from you.
 
Welp, I ended up getting a $350 code myself (Yay for being a former employee of a certain company), and ended up getting a blue 128GB with the stupid headphones I'll put on eBay for $250, after I trade in my S8 to Samsung for $400.

Sell my S9+ for $600 or so (Which I paid $200 for), and I'll have a nice profit.

Definitely wouldn't have bit for $1000 though.

As for getting free ones - Samsung decided not to give out free phones for testers this round, they made them $500 instead. No trade in, no promos. I got accepted for 2 of them, but I'm going to pass.
 
I want the 512gb version, although, I don't think I'll be able to get one due to supply. You would think that most people wouldn't spring for that model, but it is back ordered now. I sold my iPhone 8 plus for $800 and hopefully I can sell my Apple Watch Series 3 for about $400. That will eat the entire cost after my Pixel trade-in.
 
So, I was one of the suckers who paid retail for a Note 8 ($950), BUT, I did it under the T-Mobile promo when it was released where you got 2 for 1. (You had to sign up for a $10/month second line for the second phone, which was fine with me as I needed another line anyway.) With each phone you also got a "free" choice of either the Samsung 360 camera or an SD card+wireless charger. I.e., you could get both. So, it didn't sting as much, I basically got two Note 8's for the price of one, plus an SD card and a wireless charger that is actually useful. (And a camera I never use).

That price was ludicrous, and this price is even more ludicrous, but so few people actually pay that for the phone, it is more of an anchor price to then sell you the phone at a more reasonable price with "deals," promos etc. that are the money makers for the carriers. (For folks who don't follow through with the fine print and get stuck.)
 
The thing is... When one can buy a something like Honor Play for a bit over 300 €, I just couldn't ever pay anywhere near 1000 € let alone above that. Even the top end phone shouldn't cost more than 599 €. What you pay and what you get just don't match.
 
Modern flagship smartphones are made from $275-400 worth of raw materials and components and the technology to construct them + labor, so figure that plus $25 for packaging/marketing per device and then add $25 for some shipping/handling costs from manufacturing to the retailers and then add oh, being generous here, 15% profit on top of that and you're looking at roughly $600 max for even the best possible hardware components on the market today aka the Note9 and then laugh at anyone that pays $1000+ for such a piece of hardware. I know people will say "Well they have to spend money on R&D" and I say "No, they don't, because a company like Apple has been operating on pure profit for 15+ years now, seriously, none of this stuff since the first iPhone has really cost them one fucking penny - the customers have paid for it all by coughing up insanely high amounts of money just to have Apple hardware."

I don't mind paying good money for good hardware, that's not the problem. The problem is giving companies vastly more of my money for... well, nothing really, and that's why it's a problem. I got no beef with companies that want to make a profit, I understand that aspect of business quite well. But pricing items in favor of excessively overcharging customers to maximize any and all potential profit is where I have an issue with things. Apple has never made less than 40% profit margin on every product they've ever sold and they're not going to change that practice anytime soon, it's why they sit in the market where they do now - Apple got where they are by overcharging people for basically the same components just because people attach some significance to seeing that damned Apple logo on their devices to high degrees.

No, it's not the only reason people by Apple products, but it is quite important to them emotionally. ;)

The latest and greatest might be awesome devices, sure, but I'm not just going to give some company $500-600 free and clear on top of the value of the given device just because... I'm getting value for the money I put into hardware or I don't buy it, this is one big reason I don't buy Galaxy devices anymore, and the last Apple product I actually bought was the iPod mini back in early 2003 which for the $229 price I paid was more than acceptable for it given the time it came out and the competing products priced at similar points.

The friend of mine that ordered his Lavender Purple or whatever Note9 got it yesterday and of course he's raving about it, but I went back in our chat history and found the same things being said when he got the Razer Phone earlier this year, and the Note8 last year, and the iPhone 8+ he got last year, and the other phones he's purchased so, it's not like he'll give a shit about the Note9 a month from now and will be looking for yet another high end flagship to replace it soon enough. It's crazy the amount of funds he blows on smartphones, I kid you not. :D
 
Modern flagship smartphones are made from $275-400 worth of raw materials and components and the technology to construct them + labor, so figure that plus $25 for packaging/marketing per device and then add $25 for some shipping/handling costs from manufacturing to the retailers and then add oh, being generous here, 15% profit on top of that and you're looking at roughly $600 max for even the best possible hardware components on the market today aka the Note9 and then laugh at anyone that pays $1000+ for such a piece of hardware. I know people will say "Well they have to spend money on R&D" and I say "No, they don't, because a company like Apple has been operating on pure profit for 15+ years now, seriously, none of this stuff since the first iPhone has really cost them one fucking penny - the customers have paid for it all by coughing up insanely high amounts of money just to have Apple hardware."

I don't mind paying good money for good hardware, that's not the problem. The problem is giving companies vastly more of my money for... well, nothing really, and that's why it's a problem. I got no beef with companies that want to make a profit, I understand that aspect of business quite well. But pricing items in favor of excessively overcharging customers to maximize any and all potential profit is where I have an issue with things. Apple has never made less than 40% profit margin on every product they've ever sold and they're not going to change that practice anytime soon, it's why they sit in the market where they do now - Apple got where they are by overcharging people for basically the same components just because people attach some significance to seeing that damned Apple logo on their devices to high degrees.

No, it's not the only reason people by Apple products, but it is quite important to them emotionally. ;)

The latest and greatest might be awesome devices, sure, but I'm not just going to give some company $500-600 free and clear on top of the value of the given device just because... I'm getting value for the money I put into hardware or I don't buy it, this is one big reason I don't buy Galaxy devices anymore, and the last Apple product I actually bought was the iPod mini back in early 2003 which for the $229 price I paid was more than acceptable for it given the time it came out and the competing products priced at similar points.

The friend of mine that ordered his Lavender Purple or whatever Note9 got it yesterday and of course he's raving about it, but I went back in our chat history and found the same things being said when he got the Razer Phone earlier this year, and the Note8 last year, and the iPhone 8+ he got last year, and the other phones he's purchased so, it's not like he'll give a shit about the Note9 a month from now and will be looking for yet another high end flagship to replace it soon enough. It's crazy the amount of funds he blows on smartphones, I kid you not. :D

I go through phones that quicly too. I am looking to slow down and hopefully can resist the upgrade urge after this note 9 splurge. I'm not too hopeful though. ;)
 
I should pick up my 512GB 8GB ram Note 9 this or early next week from preorder. The 512s are limited and hot shit so thier backordered a little.

Gonna toss a half a gig SD card in it.

Use it with a DeX station and use it as a PC in my upstairs study when I'm not out and about.
 
Modern flagship smartphones are made from $275-400 worth of raw materials and components and the technology to construct them + labor, so figure that plus $25 for packaging/marketing per device and then add $25 for some shipping/handling costs from manufacturing to the retailers and then add oh, being generous here, 15% profit on top of that and you're looking at roughly $600 max for even the best possible hardware components on the market today aka the Note9 and then laugh at anyone that pays $1000+ for such a piece of hardware. I know people will say "Well they have to spend money on R&D" and I say "No, they don't, because a company like Apple has been operating on pure profit for 15+ years now, seriously, none of this stuff since the first iPhone has really cost them one fucking penny - the customers have paid for it all by coughing up insanely high amounts of money just to have Apple hardware."


In fiscal year 2017, Apple spent $11.58 billion on research and development activities. That was a nearly $1.6 billion increase from the $10 billion that the company spent during fiscal year 2016. In the year before that, Apple spent just $8.07 billion on research and development.

R&D is not free by any means for Apple, Samasung, or any leading edge technology company.
 
In fiscal year 2017, Apple spent $11.58 billion on research and development activities. That was a nearly $1.6 billion increase from the $10 billion that the company spent during fiscal year 2016. In the year before that, Apple spent just $8.07 billion on research and development.

R&D is not free by any means for Apple, Samasung, or any leading edge technology company.

Not only this, but Apple Stores and their extensive phone and online support systems aren't free. Apple Stores are often found in upper scale malls as well, which means they are paying a premium in rent, plus staffing, etc.

Apple and Samsung are making a ton of money, but it's hilarious logic to think they aren't spending a ton as well. It blows me away when people knock a company for being profitable, that's how a company exists. If you have a job, you better hope the company you work for is profitable. It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to hate a company for doing what every company strives to do.
 
Not only this, but Apple Stores and their extensive phone and online support systems aren't free. Apple Stores are often found in upper scale malls as well, which means they are paying a premium in rent, plus staffing, etc.

Apple and Samsung are making a ton of money, but it's hilarious logic to think they aren't spending a ton as well. It blows me away when people knock a company for being profitable, that's how a company exists. If you have a job, you better hope the company you work for is profitable. It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to hate a company for doing what every company strives to do.
Apple is making shitloads of money and after all the running costs Apple is still making shitloads of money.
 
Not only this, but Apple Stores and their extensive phone and online support systems aren't free. Apple Stores are often found in upper scale malls as well, which means they are paying a premium in rent, plus staffing, etc.

Apple and Samsung are making a ton of money, but it's hilarious logic to think they aren't spending a ton as well. It blows me away when people knock a company for being profitable, that's how a company exists. If you have a job, you better hope the company you work for is profitable. It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will do to hate a company for doing what every company strives to do.

I'm with you. funny... Company literally means a ... company or a group of talented individuals working as a team so that they can deliver a good or service and feed themselves. That's what a COMPANY of people do.

It's hilarious how literally stupid colleges have made kids today with all the anti capitalism brainwashing.

Now I'm on the ropes about cancelling my so called preorder......errr.. backorder for now explained below. But there is no device of this size that has the power and desktop capabilities of the Note 9 so that's the premium we pay for.
 
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Also I hear it's going to be weeks before the blue 512 is fulfilled?

That screws us out of the 300 headphone deal (was going to gift them to my wife who's headphones suck) due to limited stock.

Completely defeats preorder.

Might cancel this phone and say fuck you samsung. Learn how to predict demand better. Wtf were you thinking by offering one of the first 1TB capable phones with vapor exchange cooling and badass dex station and gaming capabilities.... thinking no one was gonna buy it?
 
Also I hear it's going to be weeks before the blue 512 is fulfilled?

That screws us out of the 300 headphone deal (was going to gift them to my wife who's headphones suck) due to limited stock.

Completely defeats preorder.

Might cancel this phone and say fuck you samsung. Learn how to predict demand better. Wtf were you thinking by offering one of the first 1TB capable phones with vapor exchange cooling and badass dex station and gaming capabilities.... thinking no one was gonna buy it?

Amazon seems to have plenty of stock. My device arrived with a huge scratch on the screen, and I filed for a replacement. That comes tomorrow plus they have all models still in stock the last I checked an hour ago. That is if you don't mind an unlocked device.
 
Amazon seems to have plenty of stock. My device arrived with a huge scratch on the screen, and I filed for a replacement. That comes tomorrow plus they have all models still in stock the last I checked an hour ago. That is if you don't mind an unlocked device.

I dont want to pony 1300 for an unlocked device. I want a subsidized verizon one that comes with preorder special headphones I can give my wife and 100 off at bestbuy.

I'd rather put 1300 towards a Threadripper2 right now.

It seems that the unlocked ones are plentiful while the carrier attached models are on backorder? I have no idea what is up with the inventories or management thereof.
 
I dont want to pony 1300 for an unlocked device. I want a subsidized verizon one that comes with preorder special headphones I can give my wife and 100 off at bestbuy.

I'd rather put 1300 towards a Threadripper2 right now.

It seems that the unlocked ones are plentiful while the carrier attached models are on backorder? I have no idea what is up with the inventories or management thereof.

Haha! I only buy unlocked, and since the two carriers I prefer have reasonably lax BYOP policies, it has been working pretty fine. Verizon and T-Mobile have been great with my unlocked devices. I myself would rather spend that money on a 2080 Ti even though I just purchased a 1080Ti in June. :D
 
Haha! I only buy unlocked, and since the two carriers I prefer have reasonably lax BYOP policies, it has been working pretty fine. Verizon and T-Mobile have been great with my unlocked devices. I myself would rather spend that money on a 2080 Ti even though I just purchased a 1080Ti in June. :D

Yeah I have a 1080ti as well but really wanting the 2080ti as well. I want either an EVGA or another Asus Poseidon water cooled variant.
 
this statement by itself is hilarious. It's a false generalization.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to what has been happening. It's not a generalization. It's an absolute fact. It's not something a person that hasn't been paying attention to is going to see in just one minute. I have been watching this for a long time.
 
You clearly haven't been paying attention to what has been happening. It's not a generalization. It's an absolute fact. It's not something a person that hasn't been paying attention to is going to see in just one minute. I have been watching this for a long time.

No, it's not an absolute fact. If it was, you could point to specific curriculum examples in a majority of colleges, or would have a large-scale, truly representative survey showing specific evidence. But of course, you have no concrete evidence, just a lot of hearsay and anecdotal references. And the sad thing is that I agree with the basic premise that companies ought to seek a healthy profit -- I just think we have to be mindful not to assume that younger people are objecting because they've been "brainwashed" (if anything, we should be celebrating their refusal to mindlessly accept the status quo).

To get back on track: I don't think Samsung is charging an overly egregious amount for the Note 9. The 512GB of storage in the high-end model probably doesn't cost as much for Samsung as it's charging, but it also has to think about sales volumes -- it knows it'll probably sell fewer units of the 512GB version and has to bake that into the pricing.
 
When most of folks making above average salaries are college educated, you want to make a generalization like that? Also when if we say then art school students are like that, guess what? Many of them are buying the iPhones and MacBook Pros! So please explain how your generalization is even true?

While I agree that companies should make money, but false generalizations like that hurt the message.

P.S. The title clearly makes a statement about corporate profit. I don't think this is off topic at all.
 
I dont mind the price per se. I just want the damn thing in my hands. Why preorder a 512 just to be told its going to be Fuggin October before we can get it? And then bait us in with oh... preorder and get a free AKG headset that is a 300 dollar value..... oh but wait.... supplies are limited and will surely run out long before your preorder is ever fulfilled a month and a half later????!?!?!

I almost want to ditch samsung over this but Apple would just pull the same shit.
 
I did the Verizon wireless bogo deal for me and my wife, essentially making it a $500 phone. A few days in already and I can easily say that this is by far the best device I've ever used.

I plan on selling both of the AKG headphones that came with the preorder further reducing the price. I already sold both of the fortnite skins for 15 a piece, but that really wasn't worth the time going through the process to make it happen.
 
Carrier financing is usually 0% interest. So $1,000 is still $1,000. They can take the $1000 they would have spent on the phone up front and put it into something interest bearing and bring effective the price down a little.

they hide the financing in the cost of the car, you take the 0%, much less negotiation room
 
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