How do you feel about Nvidia pricing on the new RTX video cards?

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Oh and also this.

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For reference, that's just shy of $2k. When again did TI card prices take and EXCEED the titan x price point? Oh yeah, yesterday...:mad:

As for how do i feel? We're taking it up the ass, raw, simple. Well people that are buying them are, i'm not, nvidia can go and fuck themselves with those price points.
 
NKD said:
I read 2080ti was doing lesst than 60fps on the demo floor at 1080p and the game is one month away and frame rate drop was very bad and you could easily tell. Falling well below 60.
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Chris_B said:
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Oh and also this.

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For reference, that's just shy of $2k. When again did TI card prices take and EXCEED the titan x price point? Oh yeah, yesterday...:mad:

As for how do i feel? We're taking it up the ass, raw, simple. Well people that are buying them are, i'm not, nvidia can go and fuck themselves with those price points.
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But look at that window reflection with RTX on! LOL
 
VanGoghComplex said:
I feel like the pricing is both unfortunate and understandable. RTX seems to be a completely new breed of GPU. They're different enough that (and I know some of this is marketing bs) Nvidia felt the need to create a new performance metric for them. I see that, and I see the time gap between the last gen and today, and I think: "There was a LOT of R&D cost in this."

That said... it's unfortunate because I personally will never pay that much for a graphics card. Especially when I know that a lot of the card's tech isn't and won't be utilized by developers for a long time. Especially when my 2080ti drives my 165hz 1440p monitor just fine.

So... hard pass from me, and it's honestly the price that does it. I don't mind being an early adopter, but not at that premium. Looks like my CPU will be getting the love on this next upgrade cycle.
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I don't think the problem is utilizing the tech. I think the problem is first gen hardware likely won't drive much performance. Read a few articles where 1080ti is driving less than 60 fps with rtx on. Shadow of tomb raider was running in the 30s and 40s at times. And reports are BF V wasnt that great either running at less than 60fps from from what they could tell.

I think Nvidia realized with no competition they can create another brand of premium GPUs. Pretty much making most out of all their GPUs without having to drop prices on current gen.

I am not too worried about this. I really don't care about ray tracing for 5 years or so. I think performance with ray tracing will match performance without in a few generational cycles.

Then again AMD might have a shot here as well. They can approach those who don't care much about ray tracing and get them best bang for their buck.
 
NKD said:
I don't think the problem is utilizing the tech. I think the problem is first gen hardware likely won't drive much performance. Read a few articles where 1080ti is driving less than 60 fps with rtx on. Shadow of tomb raider was running in the 30s and 40s at times. And reports are BF V wasnt that great either running at less than 60fps from from what they could tell.

I think Nvidia realized with no competition they can create another brand of premium GPUs. Pretty much making most out of all their GPUs without having to drop prices on current gen.

I am not too worried about this. I really don't care about ray tracing for 5 years or so. I think performance with ray tracing will match performance without in a few generational cycles.

Then again AMD might have a shot here as well. They can approach those who don't care much about ray tracing and get them best bang for their buck.
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Hadn't even thought of that. If AMD makes a card that even marginally outperforms the 1080ti, and charges a reasonable price for it, they're going to earn a lot of Nvidia customers this generation on price alone.
 
VanGoghComplex said:
Hadn't even thought of that. If AMD makes a card that even marginally outperforms the 1080ti, and charges a reasonable price for it, they're going to earn a lot of Nvidia customers this generation on price alone.
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I said in another thread that I would probably buy an AMD card that is equal to or slightly better than a 1080ti, even though I own a 1080ti, just to switch teams. I'd use the savings and go buy a nice Freesync monitor while I'm at it.
 
bpizzle1 said:
I said in another thread that I would probably buy an AMD card that is equal to or slightly better than a 1080ti, even though I own a 1080ti, just to switch teams. I'd use the savings and go buy a nice Freesync monitor while I'm at it.
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I was thinking the same. I mean it’s so much cheaper to grab a freesync monitor with hdr capability than gsync. I think we will have more varieties by next year. I might do the same here. I sold my 1080ti earlier but I won’t be shelling out 1200 for a GPU compared to 699 for a ti! I think in 6 month period we should start hearing about amd 7nm cards. They seem to be really quiet and focused on 7nm tech. So we should have something. I am rolling on a rx 580 that I got for $230 with masterpass discount and Newegg sale they were having just to get me by with free 3 games, 2 of them which I was looking to buy already. I was gonna throw it in my backup rig if nvidia priced these close to last gen cards. I’ll be spending some time with the rx 580 I guess. Just rock everything at 1080p lol.
 
cybereality said:
Well, I just got a sweet bonus at work, so I wanted to treat myself. No point in working all the time if you can't buy nice things.
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Absolutely. But I won't throw money towards nvidia just because I can though. Benches or nothing. They won't get a penny from me until I see game to game comparison vs pascal, not rtx related. Since they didn't mention a whole lot I don't think we are looking at anything too impressive over pascal. Even ray traced games are struggling at 1080p according to reports. I think nvidia is just maximizing profits before 7nm, probably why they released Ti at the same time.
 
I can understand that. I'm pretty confident that it's a huge improvement over the GTX 1080 (which I have in that machine) and worst case I sell them on ebay (and probably come out ahead).
 
Doesn't make sense to price it so high if the performance is "meh". If we're talking 15% over 1080Ti I'll just keep my TXp and cancel. We'll know before the 20th, plenty of time to back out. I suspect they are dropping a monster :alien:

If not, oh well. They just won't get my money this time.
 
ChrisC said:
While I think the pricing is crazy, what is crazier to me is how similar RTX is to RX(you know from that other brand?).

For a brand conscious company like Nvidia, I'm not sure if this is a foobar.
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What do you think the GPP was for?
NukeDukem said:
Doesn't make sense to price it so high if the performance is "meh". If we're talking 15% over 1080Ti I'll just keep my TXp and cancel. We'll know before the 20th, plenty of time to back out. I suspect they are dropping a monster :alien:

If not, oh well. They just won't get my money this time.
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The price is because of the size of the die and 10 years of R&D, not necessarily because of the performance. Though to be fair, it's probably priced to keep at least the same profit margin as previous architectures. But the faster it's amortised, the faster it can trickle down to the mid- and low-range.
 
atom said:
Yeah last game I bought on PC was Fallout 4. Everything I have bought since then has been XBONE or PS4. Not very [H] of me, I know. PCs are still the king of casual/indie/retro gaming but I think I'd rather not deal with the plague of problems PC games have these days. A game I might want may not subscribe to the proper video card bastardization that I have chosen, or may be a poor port in general. XBONEX is an amazing piece of hardware for a good price, I wonder if more games will actually support it. Sorry guys, I know this viewpoint won't be very popular.
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I'm not near [H] as a fraction of people on here, yet I have no issues with games I play on PC. IMO if someone has that many issues playing on a PC nowadays, he or she must be very PC illiterate. You will always have bad ports here and there, not really bad as lazy. As in the developer did a straight port instead of taking advantage of PC hardware.

Actually console titles get patched as much or more than PC titles anymore. Good example, Madden NFL 19. I haven't had any issues with the PC version, yet the console's have had a LOT. Plain and simple, if you're computer has the specs, it's pretty much install and play. In fact, with an SSD drive games install and load faster which I like.

All that being said, console or PC doesn't really matter. Everyone has their opinion and choice of gaming platform. In the end it's about the games.
 
l88bastard said:
LOL young whipper snapper....get back to me when you drop $5,000 of early '90s money on a 486 50mhz so you can play Dynamix Red Baron and Broderbound Stunts at a proper framerate!
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here i thought the price was insane guess i forgot about the $1000 386dx cpu and main with 4 meg of memory i bought :)
 
l88bastard said:
A 386? You musta been one of the rich kids!

For $1,199 you can have a 2080ti

or

A tandy 1000tx


Which will you choose?
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In defense of the Tandy, it was an entire computer system and monitor and printer, etc.

Whereas the 2080 Ti is only one component of a computer system.

Look the 2080 Ti is obviously a luxury part. A lot of people are angry because the price jumped $500 and are not sure that the performance is going to be that much better than the $699 msrp 1080 Ti.

Nvidia dropped the ball by not announcing performance numbers in their TWO HOUR live presentation. They obviously overlooked the fact that people want the [H]ard facts. Now they have an uphill battle to win trust, even after dropping the performance slide.

Those with a lot of disposable income allocated, will pre-order and buy these suckers up. But most people will wait for actual benches now. Because they don't want to be burned by 'vaporware', not that interested in raytracing, or are justifiably cautious when they can't be sure how these new cards will perform compared to the old ones.

Right now Nvidia has priced me out of an immediate upgrade so I'm gonna stick with the 1080, see the benches, and see how 7nm Navi GPU impacts the market. Heck, Intel might offer actual competition in 2020 if AMD drops the ball with Navi.
 
msrp is only 1000 dollars.

sure you can't buy one for 1000 dollars.

but msrp is a grand.

what a bullshit tactic.
 
vjhawk said:
In defense of the Tandy, it was an entire computer system and monitor and printer, etc.

Whereas the 2080 Ti is only one component of a computer system.
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Yea but the Tandy's $1199 was in 1988 dollars which is roughly $2555 of todays dollars after inflation.

Nvidia did not drop any ball, they sold out of a product (that does not even exist) for months!

Every new GPU release we get the same batch of disgruntled bitch and moaners....like clockwork, they come out after every GPU launch announcement and bitch about the price....and nothing ever comes of it...they simply continue to bitch up until the next GPU launches then they bitch about that one....they live their lives bitching and moaning.....well bitching, moaning and playing games at sub par frame rates ROFL
 
l88bastard said:
Yea but the Tandy's $1199 was in 1988 dollars which is roughly $2555 of todays dollars after inflation.

Nvidia did not drop any ball, they sold out of a product (that does not even exist) for months!

Every new GPU release we get the same batch of disgruntled bitch and moaners....like clockwork, they come out after every GPU launch announcement and bitch about the price....and nothing ever comes of it...they simply continue to bitch up until the next GPU launches then they bitch about that one....they live their lives bitching and moaning.....well bitching, moaning and playing games at sub par frame rates ROFL
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Pissing and moaning is more fun.
 
spine said:
The pricing is laughable.

I'm sitting on a Titan Xp and these prices and performance do nothing for me. And that BFV Ray tracing video just makes Ray tracing look like a stupid gimmick right now. Just like Tessellation ultimately ended up being imho. I know it's the future, but not with these cards just yet.

"What's the point?", as far as I'm concerned.
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You consider the pricing laughable....yet you paid the same price for a card that is 30% slower.
 
Too expensive for what it offers. My 1060 will suffice until we get an actual upgrade at 7nm in 2019. Meanwhile, my ultrawide 1080p gaming remains happy.

Also, why you shouldn't buy RTX cards: "by the time ray tracing is well-established, practically useful, and driving modern games, the RTX 2080 will be a garbage GPU"
 
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I'm not too worried about pricing. In 3 years or so I'll ask one of you to sell me one at a, hopefully - non -mining - fair, price.
 
l88bastard said:
You consider the pricing laughable....yet you paid the same price for a card that is 30% slower.
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I bought the Titan XP back in August 2016, and it turned out to be one of the best value graphics card purchase I've ever made. And then thanks to mining, I side-graded to a Titan Xp at the beginning of the year for around £100. So I've been enjoying 4K gaming for the last 2 years straight, whilst most peeps have apparently spent that time bitching and moaning!

I laugh at the current prices because I've no reason to upgrade with the games I play, and those prices don't exactly make me go "ahh fuck it".

Pretty sure a Titan Xp will handle BFV, and right now, that's all I care about in terms of gaming performance. Couldn't care less about Ray Tracing!
 
I'd say they have to recoup the 10 years of R&D for ray tracing that they said they put into it, so there's that. The bigger chip also = higher production costs. For me, more than a grand for a non Titan is a little much but if it's as good at 4K as they say (non-ray tracing), I may have to jump on board. Having to deal with SLI has always been a pain in the ass and if one card can do the job, then I'm more than ready to switch - though I'm likely going to wait and see if there will be a Titan T and see how that will fit into their product stack.
 
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Do people expect the prices we now see as pre-order prices to drop once the cards are finally launched in September? Or will they stay at the current level the next months?

Thinking about pre-ordering the 2080 TI from nVidia and then I could always cancel if reviews sounds disappointing. They might be difficult to get with that huge chip, who knows how many that will not make the cut. OTOH; I don’t want to pay a hefty pre-order tax.

(Say what you want about Apple, but at least their launch price is what it is.)
 
Prices are not going to drop until the new cards hit. If these cards mine like mofos on crack then you are only going to see prices go up, not down.
 
The RTX 2080 will be probably be like when DX11 Tessellation first came along. First Gen, it will do it but not that well. The refresh should vastly improve on the first gen.

I also doubt this ray tracing will apply to everything. It sounds like they ray trace certain aspects like the windows or shadows but I don't think it will be real time ray tracing everything and still be miles behind what folks do with CGI and Pixar.
 
This could be the reason behind the inflated pricing on the pre-orders:

https://www.techspot.com/news/76103-nvidia-putting-squeeze-aib-partners.html

I already saw a GTX 1080 Ti on Amazon for only $525USD. Outstanding deals. Right now might be a great time to pick up some Pascal cards. They are going to be cleared out for cheap! And it looks like we will all have to wait for that Pascal inventory to clear through the channel before we can start seeing good supply of the Turing cards.
 
I'm sure the AIB partners were begging for more stock too, until they weren't. Meanwhile there's got to be some lag in manufacturing and getting them shipped.

Tough situation, but everyone needs to suck it up and move forward.
 
spine said:
I bought the Titan XP back in August 2016, and it turned out to be one of the best value graphics card purchase I've ever made. And then thanks to mining, I side-graded to a Titan Xp at the beginning of the year for around £100. So I've been enjoying 4K gaming for the last 2 years straight, whilst most peeps have apparently spent that time bitching and moaning!

I laugh at the current prices because I've no reason to upgrade with the games I play, and those prices don't exactly make me go "ahh fuck it".

Pretty sure a Titan Xp will handle BFV, and right now, that's all I care about in terms of gaming performance. Couldn't care less about Ray Tracing!
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So basically, you were not able to pre-order a 2080ti in time before they sold out.

See I got the Titan Pascal, but thought the Titan Pascal XP was a waste of time.
 
I don’t get how so many people are fine blowing a load over Threadripper 2 and $300+ motherboards, then have a problem with Turing pricing. If you want the best, people need to pay for it. All of this stuff is a luxury item and many people can afford it just fine. Since AMD decided to stop competing in high end graphics, Nvidia is only competing against themselves and charging accordingly.

Prices don’t just magically come down because people want them too, they come down when the market demands aren’t being met. Nvidia is pushing the market into GDDR6 and Ray Tracing, it’s not supposed to be a value product. Just like how real luxury cost cost a lot of money, so does next gen tech.
 
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