nVidia RTX 2080 Ti "Game Performance Preview" 100FPS@4K on Ultra

I don't understand the DLSS performance metric. If DLSS runs on Tensor Cores, the 1080 can't run DLSS.
 
NKD said:
DLSS I think is in replacement of AA. So I can believe that at such high resolution. So That chart can really be deceiving. The way nvidia is representing the charts avoiding detailed results makes me iffy. They sound like AMD right now with those results. DLSS at 4k can increase performance as it is not using AA on the entire image I think, its heavily AI based so it will select what to smooth out.
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if dlss puts out the same image quality as 2xmsaa at 4k without the perf hit then I don't find anything deceiving.
 
Does this mean that DLSS will use some of that new AI tech in the tensor cores order to free up the main GPU?
 
Lastan010 said:
if dlss puts out the same image quality as 2xmsaa at 4k without the perf hit then I don't find anything deceiving.
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But we don't know that. Nvidia is controlling the flow of info here. They are doing similar things to AMD only that they are in much better position then them and Nvidia knows that. Imagine AMD doing select 4k benchmarks and showing you the graphs everyone would be like meh lets wait till reviews come out. Nvidia has the benefit of the doubt. But honestly with 7nm around the corner I am just riding this one out. Like I said I will let early adopter pay for my discount. haha. Heck everyone can order 2080ti and HDR gsync monitors. 7nm will bring prices down and bring much better performance and by then HDR monitors will likely be half the price.
 
Porter_ said:
interesting tidbit from that article. the 2080 Ti was running DLSS and i presume the 1080 Ti was running some other form of AA.
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So basically we are looking at AA on vs DLSS. What if someone didn’t care about AA 4K on monitor. I happened to be one of those lol. I wanna see how much difference there without AA at 4K. Looks like nvidia is just pushing DLSS and Ray Tracing Numbers on to us and 4K. So DLSS may not mean much at lower resolutions either it seems. Exciting times. I can’t wait for reviews. But we don’t know what settings they are using either for AA.
 
NKD said:
So basically we are looking at AA on vs DLSS. What if someone didn’t care about AA 4K on monitor. I happened to be one of those lol. I wanna see how much difference there without AA at 4K. Looks like nvidia is just pushing DLSS and Ray Tracing Numbers on to us and 4K. So DLSS may not mean much at lower resolutions either it seems. Exciting times. I can’t wait for reviews. But we don’t know what settings they are using either for AA.
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yeah i'm anxious for reviews. i'm on the other side of the fence though, i do care about AA at 4K.
 
Porter_ said:
yeah i'm anxious for reviews. i'm on the other side of the fence though, i do care about AA at 4K.
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Man its very hard to know the difference. We are going to need someone to sit there and take high resolution shots to compare DLSS vs regular AA. May be its just my eyes. Its every hard for me to tell the difference at 4k with no AA and with AA. Even harder during fast moving scenes. Unless you are on a big TV I can understand.
 
wyqtor said:
Does this mean that DLSS will use some of that new AI tech in the tensor cores order to free up the main GPU?
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looks that way, shodows, lighting, aa, etc should be handled by tensor cores.

remember original xbox with EDO ram on the GPU? it handled AA, leaving the GPU to do other stuff.

but I think Tensor cores are beyond that, I think this is going to be one of those GPU's where you can set games on Ultra quality and wont see the performance decrease.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Numbers will be out way before HardOCP releases them.

I think nVidia is releasing drivers today at Gamerscon? I'm not exactly sure. Reading the same shit everyone else here can go and read.

We will see.

I will say that there is a huge clue a lot of you are just not getting. The $1,200 ( $1,300+ ) with tax that the 2080 Ti costs. nVidia would never ever charge that much for a card that only had a 15% or 20% performance gain over the 1080 ti. If that happens. I can absolutely without a doubt promise you .... a lot of pre-orders would be returned and refunded including both of mine.

I would wait a long ass year + and just keep using a 1080 ti like so many others would do if this happens.
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Yeah I agree. Only other reason I can think of as to why they are being so coy on performance numbers is because they want to move the old 10 series stock.

If it's only 30% faster than a 1080 Ti or less, I'm definitely cancelling my pre order
 
EDIT: It's a fake.

Take w/usual grain of salt. Recently uploaded post on WCCFtech comments.
 
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Damm out of stock on mewegg

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wyqtor said:
Does this mean that DLSS will use some of that new AI tech in the tensor cores order to free up the main GPU?
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DLSS only uses the tensor cores. You can basically get a 4k image from rendering at 1440p speeds using AI algorithms. The question is how close will it be to real 4k.

It’s fucking genius and I think people are way underestimating it. But wait for reviews ;)
 
Lastan010 said:
if true that puts the 2080 around 50% faster than the 1080 at 4k. It will be interesting to see how the 20 series performs at lower res like 1440p.
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Got some swamp land in Florida to sell you if you believe that chart shows a clear view of performance.
 
Gideon said:
Got some swamp land in Florida to sell you if you believe that chart shows a clear view of performance.
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Historically nVidia’s charts have been spot on. The only ambiguity here is the DLSS numbers. If the IQ is really the same.
 
Lastan010 said:
"if true" how did you miss that? is it the swamp gas that you are breathing in?
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Lastan010 said:
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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-releases-performance-metrics-and-some-info-on-dlss.html

pretty much every person in this thread that spoke negative towards Nvidia just got curb stumped.
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Yeah so your telling other people in another thread you 100% believe these to the point of insulting them, but now your just on the fence... give me a break.
 
Nvidia is in full panic mode...all of a sudden they're releasing more information, benchmarks and new demo videos because they've seen all the negative reactions online to their original presentation...
 
polonyc2 said:
Nvidia is in full panic mode...all of a sudden they're releasing more information, benchmarks and new demo videos because they've seen all the negative reactions online to their original presentation...
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they not in panic mode, they releasing info to the haters.

they just wanted to sell more 10 series cards by not showing how powerful 20 series is compared to 10 series.
 
Lastan010 said:
they not in panic mode, they releasing info to the haters.

they just wanted to sell more 10 series cards by not showing how powerful 20 series is compared to 10 series.
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I might be high on the swamp gas but this is starting to sound like some trolling.
 
At $1,200 dollars, this thing is going to have some serious performance. If it doesn't. My cards will get cancelled in a nano-second.

I am NOT going to spend $1,310 with tax to be an early adopter for RT. Fkk that noise! I can wait a year or two. This thing better have a serious performance upgrade over the 1080 ti.

I guess we will find out very shortly. Many retail cards are out there already and nVidia released the drivers for the cards today I think it has been reported. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Nvidia is playing everyone while sales are rolling....Emotional Marketing at its best...

This has nothing to do with 2080Ti performance but with how successfully they unload 10 series cards along with great pre-orders.
 
JargonGR said:
This has nothing to do with 2080Ti performance but with how successfully they unload 10 series cards along with great pre-orders.
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Good thing official reviews will drop September 14; I think six days should be enough time for people to cancel pre-orders.
 
Forget the 4K benches, I want to see some VR benchmarks first and foremost before I even think about plunking down that much money for a new graphics card. Eliminating any semblance of timewarp/spacewarp/reprojection from frame drops below 90 FPS takes one hell of a GPU in the more demanding games out there, and the HMDs will only go up in resolution going forward.

This was the generation I was holding out for after getting a GTX 980 and deciding to skip Pascal entirely, but I never predicted this massive price hike. I might have to stick with Maxwell even longer than anticipated.
 
NamelessPFG said:
Forget the 4K benches, I want to see some VR benchmarks first and foremost before I even think about plunking down that much money for a new graphics card. Eliminating any semblance of timewarp/spacewarp/reprojection from frame drops below 90 FPS takes one hell of a GPU in the more demanding games out there, and the HMDs will only go up in resolution going forward.

This was the generation I was holding out for after getting a GTX 980 and deciding to skip Pascal entirely, but I never predicted this massive price hike. I might have to stick with Maxwell even longer than anticipated.
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What are the really demanding VR games out there?
 
xp3nd4bl3 said:
What are the really demanding VR games out there?
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There's a ton of them. Pretty much anything that doesn't look like a cartoon and you crank AA a bit. Remember VR requires 90FPS minimum (ideally).

Ark Park, Space Pirate Trainer, Raw Data, Project Cars, ect.

Even cartoony ones can be taxing if you crank the SSAA enough.
 
Dayaks said:
There's a ton of them. Pretty much anything that doesn't look like a cartoon and you crank AA a bit. Remember VR requires 90FPS minimum (ideally).

Ark Park, Space Pirate Trainer, Raw Data, Project Cars, ect.

Even cartoony ones can be taxing if you crank the SSAA enough.
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Dayaks said:
There's a ton of them. Pretty much anything that doesn't look like a cartoon and you crank AA a bit. Remember VR requires 90FPS minimum (ideally).

Ark Park, Space Pirate Trainer, Raw Data, Project Cars, ect.

Even cartoony ones can be taxing if you crank the SSAA enough.
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I'll have to try some more games. I only use my Rift for Assetto Corsa and I've tried Beat Saber.
 
xp3nd4bl3 said:
I'll have to try some more games. I only use my Rift for Assetto Corsa and I've tried Beat Saber.
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Beat Saber is likely my most played game. Raw Data and Space Pirate trainer are good wave shooters.

Everyone loves Onward. I have to try it one day... and Doom.
 
NukeDukem said:
Good thing official reviews will drop September 14; I think six days should be enough time for people to cancel pre-orders.
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I don't think the cards will be bad especially for those upgrading from cards below the 1080Ti or Titans. But the point is to keep the excitement high while also sell excess 10xx series stock...

In any case I really like Ray Tracing and I hope that it will be pushed down to the midrange in upcoming generations so it will get adopted by developers faster.
 
NamelessPFG said:
Forget the 4K benches, I want to see some VR benchmarks first and foremost before I even think about plunking down that much money for a new graphics card. Eliminating any semblance of timewarp/spacewarp/reprojection from frame drops below 90 FPS takes one hell of a GPU in the more demanding games out there, and the HMDs will only go up in resolution going forward.

This was the generation I was holding out for after getting a GTX 980 and deciding to skip Pascal entirely, but I never predicted this massive price hike. I might have to stick with Maxwell even longer than anticipated.
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Buy a 1080ti. It can handle anything in VR at the moment. Unless you are using silly levels of SS. And then save up for 2019 when there should be new headsets out and new 7nm cards from both AMD and Nvidia.
 
reaper12 said:
Buy a 1080ti. It can handle anything in VR at the moment. Unless you are using silly levels of SS. And then save up for 2019 when there should be new headsets out and new 7nm cards from both AMD and Nvidia.
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I'll certainly consider it if I can find one for the right price, though current second-hand prices are far too close to the RTX 2070 for my liking right now.

If they start going for under $400, though...
 
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