Ok, so I knew the pricing had been released, but I was meaning was it actually done during the slide presentation? I just can't fathom the whole auditorium not erupting in a giant boo-fest.
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RTX 2080 - 2080 Ti - 2070 Pricing Revealed
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Ok, so I knew the pricing had been released, but I was meaning was it actually done during the slide presentation? I just can't fathom the whole auditorium not erupting in a giant boo-fest.
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I honestly do not think they made very many cards at the rate that they sold out. Even the $1200 FU edition now says it will ship on 10/22/18 if you add to cart. Really they knew that could charge whatever price they wanted for the available cards that they had.
63% of Americans don't have enough money for an emergency, and Nvidia has the audacity to demand a price equivalent to a mortgage payment, with a technology that has yet to be reviewed still. The only thing worse than Nvidia's greed and willingness to exploit a population is the fact so many suckers and fools will happily pay their price. And anyone with a business degree can already tell they're only charging this much because they're trying to liquid their already overstocked inventory from the last generation. Man, humans are dumb.
Yea, especially if the die size for 2080Ti is 754mm^2, even if yield is good, they just cannot get many die per wafer.
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Ray tracing, turing cores, GDDR6... these cards are bonkers! Though, the biggest talk is about the price. Shits like real estate right now, in need of a correction, like soon.
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Yeah. I'm more worried about the 2070 line. Getting a decent GPU is getting very expensive. If less kids get into PC gaming because they can't afford $400-600 GPUs, it doesn't bode well for the future of the hobby. I don't mind the $1200 cards, those are for people with a lot of cash or questionable spending habits. But if it takes $600 to get a decent 1440 GPU, a lot of people will just say "fuck it" and get a whole console for $300-400. If you're playing at medium settings at 1080 there is less incentive to spend $400 on a GPU. A $300 console can do that.
No figures released at all from nVidia. Nothing. I think that just about says it all. Anyone (other than blacklisted review sites
) who pre-orders one of these under those conditions, at those prices, is either insanely rich, or is asking for disappointment.Agree, mid range performance is normally where the sweet spot, but with a big die size, I feel like price will not drop as quickly as people would like. Hopefully if there is a 7nm refresh next year, it will bring the price down for everyone.
I don't think these cards are going to sell as well as Nvidia thinks...overpriced and most people into high end video cards are smart and know that this technology is too new and won't be able to be used in any games for a few years...the Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Battlefield etc demos were just glorified prototypes...rasterization is still going to be used for a long time alongside ray-tracing...paying $1000 for a few better shadows and reflections is not worth it...maybe the RTX 4080 will be the card to take full advantage of it with actual games
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Feel like you are giving buyers of high end videos are smart too much credit, your average high end video cards are not really concern price/performance metrics but getting the highest visual fidelity at an acceptable frame rate or the highest high frame rate. By no means I am saying they are dumb, just people buying high end cards have different needs and most of the time will gladly pay the high price for entry. That being said, time will tell if this is going to sale or not.
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Yes, it was a slide toward the end.
What self generated figures has Nvidia ever released on the day of announcement? They never do, they leave that to review sites.No figures released at all from nVidia. Nothing. I think that just about says it all. Anyone (other than blacklisted review sites
And if they did release a bunch of benchmarks, then you guys would complain "lol can't trust those I'll wait for reviews".
If anything, the pricing telegraphs where Nvidia knows the cards will land at the top of the benchmarks.
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smart meaning they're more knowledgeable then your average consumer...anyone who knows the difference between a 2080Ti versus a 1080 most likely is informed about technology
did Nvidia even mention anything other then ray-tracing in this long presentation?...it was like they were trying too hard to convince people that ray-tracing is great instead of letting it speak for itself through videos or specs...'ray-tracing is great, you need to have it, buy it now'...
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HELL No. Good god...I got my 1080 Ti for $720 a piece.. they want $1,199 for One? NOPE. NOPE.
I'll keep my 2 1080 Ti's and be happy with them for the time to come. Get outa here with that.
I'll keep my 2 1080 Ti's and be happy with them for the time to come. Get outa here with that.
Well with more and more used Pascal cards going up for sell and with lower and lower prices - not sure how Nvidia going to navigate the lower end skews for Turing. I just don't see them selling well. I am wondering why review cards have not been sent out or delayed? Are we looking at 20% performance increase in today's games at way higher prices? Which to me mean it is probably prudent to wait for the real benches done here and maybe wait until more games that can take advantage of the new hardware.
Really, the GTX 2080 is the only one that is a bad deal despite the 2080 having the smallest price increase over the last gen.
The GTX 2070 has should have similar performance as the 1080, and better performance in bandwidth limited scenarios. It gets a HUGE boost to bandwidth.
The 2080ti is like a Titan since it is available at launch. If it is still $1200 in 8 months, then that is crappy.
Finally the GTX 2080 looks to be only slightly faster than the 2070 and 15% or so slower than the GTX 1080ti. These will be a tough sell.
The GTX 2070 has should have similar performance as the 1080, and better performance in bandwidth limited scenarios. It gets a HUGE boost to bandwidth.
The 2080ti is like a Titan since it is available at launch. If it is still $1200 in 8 months, then that is crappy.
Finally the GTX 2080 looks to be only slightly faster than the 2070 and 15% or so slower than the GTX 1080ti. These will be a tough sell.
Except we don’t know any of this yet because no one has tested it or released a review.
Either way, I don’t recall ever seeing a price boost this high from one generation to the next. Maxwell and Pascal both offered huge gains, but not at this level of price increase.
This is assuming similar performance per Cuda core. If the Cuda core performance is far better, then I guess they would ALL be good deals. Let's just hope they have a wider stack at the low to midrange end.
In other words, what is a better deal - a top of the line 1080ti at $700 or a mid grade 1080ti at $700 with a superior 1090 and 1090ti above it? Neither, they are the same deal!
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I just realized this makes sense from a long term perspective. If they released the 2000 series at traditional price ranges, they might end up pricing AMD out of the market. If AMD graphics folded, Nvidia could incur anti-trust regulation. Whereas if they're still competing on the low to mid-range and only have no competition at the high end, it's not enough to have any sort of monopoly risk in the long term.
A German PC magazine is showing off Tomb Raider with an RTX 2080 Ti with Raytracing enabled on and is averaging 30-60FPS.
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And that is the problem with most of these new technologies Nvidia puts out. Yes I want ray tracing in game, but this tech isn't going to be useful till maybe the next or the one after the next nvidia card gets released. I find that the 1080Ti is a great card and was worth the price I paid for my current set up of 2560x1600 (or 2560x1440 in most games). It runs pretty much everything at max at the moment at 60fps even if I enable all the FX. This ray tracing is going to be great maybe one to three generations of cards after the 2080Ti. Right now this is going to be a "Oh it looks awesome I wish I could use this all the time, but it's tanking my frame rates so I am disabling it when I am really playing" feature. Just like every other Nvidia feature was, great to show off the card, but useless till a generation or two after the introduction due to performance penalties.
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Oy! I was planning on reserving one of the Founder's Edition cards, was really aiming towards the 2080Ti, but the price premium is giving me pause. So now I am rethinking getting the 2080 instead, but at the cost they are asking for vs the TFLOPS it's rated for versus my current 1080, I'm going to wait until I see some benchmarks first to see how it plays out in the real world.
Since I am running a mITX case (Corsair 250D), I am constrained to fit within a certain size envelope. This is why I got the 1080 Founders Edition a few years back, it fits perfectly. So far, it looks like all of the AIB boards are going to be too big to fit comfortably in the case. The sizes of the Founders Edtion 2080 and 2080Ti also will fit without issue. So, while I was expecting to have a to pay a small premium because of this limitation of mine, I wasn't expecting the premium (and price hike) to be so much above the previous models.
So as such, I will wait until the benchmarks come out to determine if the jump in performance is large enough to upgrade. There are still some games that my 1080 can't quite run at the framerate I would like to see on my 4K monitor (but it does do a pretty decent job overall, even today). Plus, I am looking at investing in VR in the near future and like the VirtualLink feature being on the card.
I know my nephew, who is starting college this fall, is itching for me to upgrade since I told him I would give him my 1080 when I do get a new card.
Since I am running a mITX case (Corsair 250D), I am constrained to fit within a certain size envelope. This is why I got the 1080 Founders Edition a few years back, it fits perfectly. So far, it looks like all of the AIB boards are going to be too big to fit comfortably in the case. The sizes of the Founders Edtion 2080 and 2080Ti also will fit without issue. So, while I was expecting to have a to pay a small premium because of this limitation of mine, I wasn't expecting the premium (and price hike) to be so much above the previous models.
So as such, I will wait until the benchmarks come out to determine if the jump in performance is large enough to upgrade. There are still some games that my 1080 can't quite run at the framerate I would like to see on my 4K monitor (but it does do a pretty decent job overall, even today). Plus, I am looking at investing in VR in the near future and like the VirtualLink feature being on the card.
I know my nephew, who is starting college this fall, is itching for me to upgrade since I told him I would give him my 1080 when I do get a new card.
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Someone has to take the first step. As Kyle said above, game devs won't waste the time and money on implementing tech for hardware that does not yet exist. Considering NVIDIA also completely revamped their hardware pipeline to do it, they have to amortise cost to be able to offer it more broadly to consumers.
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If the point of ray-tracing is greater fidelity / quality but similar performance / slightly better performance and (for me) there are no apps that actually use it (say WOW or ESO), that really just means I can hold off until next year or the year after to actually do an upgrade - by which time there may be apps / games I actually care about using it (and the hardware would be gen 2 or 3 of Turing / ray-tracing tech too).
So let's see those benchies on the old stuff (not ray tracing) and whether Pascal v Turing is worth the $$$$
So let's see those benchies on the old stuff (not ray tracing) and whether Pascal v Turing is worth the $$$$
The fact they released no performance numbers sans ray tracing is a huge indicator the performance jump from Pascal is very minimal and not worth the price increase.
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Nope! Nvidia just priced themselves out of the average gamers market & handed it to AMD. AMD works for me.
Your 950 Pro launch price was $350, the 850 EVO 1TB was $500. But then you're bleeding edge in 2015. 2080 is pretty damn expensive and we'll need to see the benches but it will be powerful.
But won't g-sync smooth out your games with a 1080 and some lower settings at 4K? Reduce some shadows or something.
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Handed what to AMD? AMD's fastest video card can't even beat a 1080.
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The 1080 isn't the "average gamer"
From Steam's Hardware Survey.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
12.50%
+0.17%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
9.59%
+1.36%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050
6.17%
+1.51%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
5.63%
+1.30%
If Nvidia doesn't release a mid range card at a good price point they will, in fact, be handing this market share over to AMD.
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I don't believe I paid that much for either of the SSDs, but I did pay the pre-order Founders Edition premium for the 1080 (I think it was $700 before tax/shipping). I was prepared to pay around $700-$800, maybe $850. But I was thinking more of the 2080Ti if I was going to be paying that much, not $1200 (the 1080Ti Founder Edition launched for $700). For the 2080 starting at $800, I want to see some benchmarks first before I drop that much coin.
G-Sync does do wonders! And, for the most part, I haven't had to sacrifice much in the ways of graphic fidelity. I don't have any games that are unplayable at 4K. While G-sync does smooth out the game, it's not a replacement for higher framerate (more so for some games than others).