Tick Tock - #BeForeTheGame

Gatecrasher3000 said:
Are you aware of any info or rumours floating around that indicate NVLink will perform better then SLI? And when I say 'perform better' I mean with a higher percentage increase in performance when adding a second GPU over Pascale. With Pascale for example, adding a second card did not mean 2x the FPS, and I have been wondering since the announcement of NVLink, can we can start to see true 2x, 3x, 4x performance boosts when adding additional cards.
With DX12's split frame rendering, I thought now would be the best time for NV to really push for multi-gpu gaming, as having the incentive for gamers to buy more then one GPU would obviously be very good business for them..
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Was about to ask the same thing. Also is it a "it just works" kind of thing where the driver sees it as one powerful GPU solution that can crush frames on any game, or is it still reliant on AFR techniques and won't work on tons of games?
 
triwolf said:
What a day for computing history!

EVGA cards look great. I'm not sure about these TI prices, what a chunk of change, in any event it seems like NV thought we'll just release the TI now and charge a big premium.

It is some amazing performance claims, can't wait to see them benched.

The Titan line will be $2.0K or more if there even is one.
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I think EVGA is getting the award for the ugliest cooler around this time.

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Hopefully the current cards drop in price around the time the new ones come out. I want to build a new rig and have been waiting on cards. Don't need the latest to run the few games I play but my poor 2600k and 750ti are getting a little tired.
 
I think I'll keep my 1080 until the next console comes around, then buy that console instead for $4-500. From a guy that bought new video cards like clockwork every 2 years for the last 20+ years, I think I am fully done at this price level. Most of my upgrades have been to make Operation Flashpoint, and Arma 1,2,3 run acceptably. Most of the other games I play on PC are strategy games... I think the Xbox one is good enough at this point for everything else. And when I feel like its not, a new console should be out and "good enough".
 
nubbin77 said:
I think I'll keep my 1080 until the next console comes around, then buy that console instead for $4-500. From a guy that bought new video cards like clockwork every 2 years for the last 20+ years, I think I am fully done at this price level. Most of my upgrades have been to make Operation Flashpoint, and Arma 1,2,3 run acceptably. Most of the other games I play on PC are strategy games... I think the Xbox one is good enough at this point for everything else. And when I feel like its not, a new console should be out and "good enough".
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Yeah. When I bought this 1080 Ti for $699 back during launch, I felt dirty spending that much on a GPU. Now $999 or $1199 for Ti? No. I'm going to peace-out at that price level. So unless the regular 2080 is waaaaay faster than the 1080 Ti, which I'm seriously doubting, there's no upgrade path for me until prices come down.
 
I just had a $750 EVGA 2080 in my cart, all I had to do was finish the order...couldn't do it. It'd be one thing if we knew performance numbers, especially compared to the 1080ti...but I can't do it blindly. I would have loved to, but would have felt dirty about it at the same time...4-6 weeks is a long time to second guess such an expensive purchase, too
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
Yeah. When I bought this 1080 Ti for $699 back during launch, I felt dirty spending that much on a GPU. Now $999 or $1199 for Ti? No. I'm going to peace-out at that price level. So unless the regular 2080 is waaaaay faster than the 1080 Ti, which I'm seriously doubting, there's no upgrade path for me until prices come down.
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And you can add to the fact that unless you are running 4K or want to run 144Hz at 1440p, these GPUs might likely be overkill right now. That said, pushing out the faster hardware will usher in better looking games. And that is something we are very glad to see.
 
Cancelled my order with Nvidia for their RTX 2080 Ti FE and have the EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Ultra preordered. But I'm tempted to make a final switch to the ASUS RTX 2080 Ti STRIX or w/e they'll call their triple fan solution card when those start popping up.
 
I *JUST* managed to get my 1080Ti to run completely silent as of yesterday - and now this.

They always say the new cards are quiet. If you can hear them, they're not quiet.
 
Geeez....everything for pre-order is 1100-1200....some have 3 fans....is the FE the best deal due to the higher clock at this price?
 
Personally, I've never understood paying more for a factory overclock. You can match the OCin 10 seconds with MSI Afterburner or something similar...do they tend to be higher binned or something that makes it worth the extra $?
 
Xerack said:
Geeez....everything for pre-order is 1100-1200....some have 3 fans....is the FE the best deal due to the higher clock at this price?
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Might be if it doesn't throttle under load like a lot of the previous FE cards did with their blower setups. I don't think we'll know until some reviews hit.
 
Xerack said:
Geeez....everything for pre-order is 1100-1200....some have 3 fans....is the FE the best deal due to the higher clock at this price?
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I don't think the third-party companies have posted their clock speeds yet.

TheRealDarkphoX said:
Personally, I've never understood paying more for a factory overclock. You can match the OCin 10 seconds with MSI Afterburner or something similar...do they tend to be higher binned or something that makes it worth the extra $?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they're binned. I could be wrong though.
 
Armenius said:
NVLink supposedly creates one virtual video card out of two, so theoretically you can get double performance with two cards. The question is how it works and is it implicit, or does the implementation require extra work from the game developers.
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That's what I want to know. If it's reliant on the developers to enable then it's basically an automatic fail. Same thing with the ray tracing stuff, is it going to be like PhysX where a bunch of caveats make it pretty much useless in practice?

*Only if developers opt-in.
*Only for superfluous FX.
*Only if funded by Nvidia.
*Only if using Nvidia hardware.
*Purposely disabled on AMD.
 
Like is the crowed always that dead quiet? I think they need to have a "Applaud now" light signal or something like they do on the game shows.
 
Aix. said:
That's what I want to know. If it's reliant on the developers to enable then it's basically an automatic fail. Same thing with the ray tracing stuff, is it going to be like PhysX where a bunch of caveats make it pretty much useless in practice?
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Exactly, if NVLink needs the game to be heavily optimised in order for it to work well, then NVLink will be SLI all over again..
 
Rajincajun said:
Like is the crowed always that dead quiet? I think they need to have a "Applaud now" light signal or something like they do on the game shows.
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they are awkward dev nerds like us, they don't always know what to do with their hands when they are not on a keyboard.
 
Gatecrasher3000 said:
they are awkward dev nerds like us, they don't always know what to do with their hands when they are not on a keyboard.
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Well, I know what not to do with my hands in public, but I am also usually not the type to cheer. But I wanted to during the BFV demonstration, and it seemed like a lot in the crowd did during that time.
 
Looks like the first run of pre-orders are selling out....wish I had some Nvidia stock..lol.
 
Armenius said:
Well, I know what not to do with my hands in public, but I am also usually not the type to cheer. But I wanted to during the BFV demonstration, and it seemed like a lot in the crowd did during that time.
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I wasn't that impressed until the BFV presentation. The difference ray tracing makes in that game is ridiculous.
 
Remember, "The more you spend," ...say it with me guys... "The more you spend, the more you save!" -Jensen


I'm going to wait for the inevitable refresh that must be planned for "soon-ish" if they're announcing the Ti along with the 2070 and 2080. They've never done that before.
 
They will have to go to 7nm with these, must be very expensive to produce. That being said, I bet if the RT core is not used the performance doesn't shine that much.

Also, have you guys seen those NewEgg prices? And already sold out, and these were pre-orders.

Suckers and their money will... [you fill in the blanks]
 
Astral Abyss said:
I'm going to wait for the inevitable refresh that must be planned for "soon-ish" if they're announcing the Ti along with the 2070 and 2080. They've never done that before.
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I think they're just rebranding their existing card structure. What was the XX80 is now the 2080 Ti, the XX70 is now the 2080, and the XX60 is now the 2070.

The association to the existing naming structure lets them get away with the high MSRP that is clearly laid out to get help get rid of overstock of the 10 series and allows them to slowly ramp up production of the 20 series without the insane demand. I remember how hard it was to get hold of my 1070 back when those 'launched'.
 
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Sonicks said:
I think they're just rebranding their existing card structure. What was the XX80 is now the 2080 Ti, the XX70 is now the 2080, and the XX60 is now the 2070.

The association to the existing naming structure lets them get away with the high MSRP that is clearly laid out to get help get rid of overstock of the 10 series and allows them to slowly ramp up production of the 20 series without the insane demand. I remember how hard it was to get hold of my 1070 back when those 'launched'.
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Maybe? I mean, the 2080 Ti is built on a different chip than the 2080, just like the 1080 ti vs 1080. Seems like that was always the intended pattern. But I think the high prices are partly just because they can (not enough competition from AMD) and partly to make the existing 10xx cards appealing enough to clear out the stock at reasonable prices. Still, a mid-cycle refresh that's even better can't be ruled out. Maybe that's when the calculus will favor an upgrade for me.
 
Sonicks said:
I think they're just rebranding their existing card structure. What was the XX80 is now the 2080 Ti, the XX70 is now the 2080, and the XX60 is now the 2070.

The association to the existing naming structure lets them get away with the high MSRP that is clearly laid out to get help get rid of overstock of the 10 series and allows them to slowly ramp up production of the 20 series without the insane demand. I remember how hard it was to get hold of my 1070 back when those 'launched'.
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You know, that seems plausible. Market it as a Ti and it commands a premium. Pretty shady. I'm not getting on-board yet.
 
NGREEDIA

The way you're meant to be milked!
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I may buy a pair of 2080 Ti cards when the pricing becomes reasonable, at least in the realm of $699. But honestly, for my needs, I'll stick to my current pair of 1080 Ti cards in SLI. They should last me for a long time. I was excited there for a moment during the presentation, but when I saw the pricing and the hour and a half of B.S. that Jensen spewed before he even got to the cards (oh, and no concrete benchmarks, not even mild hints, just marketing), my excitement turned into complete and utter disgust. By the time I need new GPUs, I'm reasonably sure that AMD will become competitive at the mid range, which is all I need these days. I understand that R&D costs money, however, there is a concrete difference between paying a fair price and getting utterly fisted and ripped off. Trust me guys, if everyone waits for the next 60 days without pre-ordering and then ordering these new cards, NVIDIA will bring the price down. Considering their behaviour during the past 12 months (limiting supply to keep the price high - I understand mining but common - and GPP and other things), this company badly needs a boycot to fall back in line and behave. As consumers we have to stop tacking it up the... [you fill in the blanks].
 
Spaceninja said:
Hopefully the current cards drop in price around the time the new ones come out. I want to build a new rig and have been waiting on cards. Don't need the latest to run the few games I play but my poor 2600k and 750ti are getting a little tired.
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I'm on a 4770K and 1080P, seems good enough for my needs, I'll need an entire new setup to really drive a 2080 at higher resolutions, while at the same time I am fine with my setup now it's not lagged me back since I built it in the games I play. I would imagine there are lots just like us.
I'd like to see some 4770K or equivalent benchmarks with the 2080, I would imagine they would be good at 1080P, although I'd sure like to see it before chunking down the coin.
 
I am going to try my hardest to skip turing, lets see if I can get a full 5 years out of my 1080ti.
butttt Im sure once those 34" high refresh 4k screens start to come out I will probably cave.
 
I never buy anything of high value at launch for various reasons and especially an un-reviewed product like this. This and I am also of the belief (might be wrong) that the first batches might not be the best anyway and that there are always improvements down the line as production matures. I set my "cycle" this way so for me the new cards "are not out yet"......
 
PhoenixWings said:
NGREEDIA

The way you're meant to be milked!
​
I may buy a pair of 2080 Ti cards when the pricing becomes reasonable, at least in the realm of $699. But honestly, for my needs, I'll stick to my current pair of 1080 Ti cards in SLI. They should last me for a long time. I was excited there for a moment during the presentation, but when I saw the pricing and the hour and a half of B.S. that Jensen spewed before he even got to the cards (oh, and no concrete benchmarks, not even mild hints, just marketing), my excitement turned into complete and utter disgust. By the time I need new GPUs, I'm reasonably sure that AMD will become competitive at the mid range, which is all I need these days. I understand that R&D costs money, however, there is a concrete difference between paying a fair price and getting utterly fisted and ripped off. Trust me guys, if everyone waits for the next 60 days without pre-ordering and then ordering these new cards, NVIDIA will bring the price down. Considering their behaviour during the past 12 months (limiting supply to keep the price high - I understand mining but common - and GPP and other things), this company badly needs a boycot to fall back in line and behave. As consumers we have to stop tacking it up the... [you fill in the blanks].
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No, Nvidia needs actual competition at all performance tiers - not a boycott. The only reason they are pulling all this shit, and getting away with the pricing on the RTX cards is because AMD literally has nothing even close to them in performance for likely at least another 6-12 months. Hell, the GTX 1080 Ti was released nearly 1.5 years ago and AMD still doesn't have anything that competes with it. AMD has been in a perpetual state of catch up which essentially means Nvidia runs with little (mid-range) to no competition (high-end) most of the time.
 
PhoenixWings said:
NGREEDIA

The way you're meant to be milked!
​
I may buy a pair of 2080 Ti cards when the pricing becomes reasonable, at least in the realm of $699. But honestly, for my needs, I'll stick to my current pair of 1080 Ti cards in SLI. They should last me for a long time. I was excited there for a moment during the presentation, but when I saw the pricing and the hour and a half of B.S. that Jensen spewed before he even got to the cards (oh, and no concrete benchmarks, not even mild hints, just marketing), my excitement turned into complete and utter disgust. By the time I need new GPUs, I'm reasonably sure that AMD will become competitive at the mid range, which is all I need these days. I understand that R&D costs money, however, there is a concrete difference between paying a fair price and getting utterly fisted and ripped off. Trust me guys, if everyone waits for the next 60 days without pre-ordering and then ordering these new cards, NVIDIA will bring the price down. Considering their behaviour during the past 12 months (limiting supply to keep the price high - I understand mining but common - and GPP and other things), this company badly needs a boycot to fall back in line and behave. As consumers we have to stop tacking it up the... [you fill in the blanks].
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exlink said:
No, Nvidia needs actual competition at all performance tiers - not a boycott. The only reason they are pulling all this shit, and getting away with the pricing on the RTX cards is because AMD literally has nothing even close to them in performance for likely at least another 6-12 months. Hell, the GTX 1080 Ti was released nearly 1.5 years ago and AMD still doesn't have anything that competes with it. AMD has been in a perpetual state of catch up which essentially means Nvidia runs with little (mid-range) to no competition (high-end) most of the time.
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That, and there is a small market segment who doesn't care about the price, they just want it first. So it's smart to launch with a high price, then lower it in 2 to 3 months once these are stocked in decent quantity. As long as they sell out within hours, the price is going to stay high.

I really want to see [H]'s review before I decide. And hopefully they can add these cards into that big GPU comparison (at least on a few games anyway) they have going, and show us one big giant collection of the data. They got a month to get the AMD card reviews done before these arrive anyway :p
 
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