Intel Coffee Lake 9000 Series Refresh to have Soldered TIMs

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Thanks for Videocards for the slides. Here are all the base specs on the i9-9900K, i7-9700K, and i5-9600K. Nothing new in terms of the specs we have seen, but on the second slide below we see "NEW Solder Thermal Interface (STIM)" noted. Your delidding tools just dropped in value. Sell! Sell! Sell! Also noted is the new Z390 chipset with support for these processors, but it is noted these CPUs will be compatible with all 300 series Intel chipsets. So basically Intel is catching up to what us delidders have been doing for a few years now. That is a good move on its part assuredly. Thanks to pcgeekesq for the heads up.

Slides.
 
My coworkers were looking at me funny because I was laughing so loud when I read soldered TIM + Same socket for Intel chip.

I guess Intel is taking enough heat to melt the solder now.
 
So will an 8700K actually be faster than the 9700K in threaded workloads given it has SMT enabled?
 
Looking good - being what they should be! Just need to wait for pricing and availability to make a judgement call. I'd also like to see some more details on the 390 chipset, to see what exactly the benefits of it are over 370, beyond integrated wi-fi (no use for me), improved USB, and more PCIe lanes (without SLI, not much use for either).

And just another thought - with Intel getting all nostalgic with their 8086k CPU, I wonder if the next generation of chipsets will have a 440?
 
Ok, so I'm starting to think the 9900K is a CPU I make actually want to own for more than the usually year that I keep my CPU's. That's an odd feeling. If I can get the new RTX Titan ... the I might just plan on keeping my system for a few years.
 
jardows said:
I'd also like to see some more details on the 390 chipset, to see what exactly the benefits of it are over 370, beyond integrated wi-fi (no use for me), improved USB, and more PCIe lanes (without SLI, not much use for either)
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I run a GTX1080 for my main (4K) monitor and a GTX1060 for the other four monitors. On my (ancient) Z170 board, that means splitting the PCIe lanes 8/8 between the two cards. I'd rather not do that, even if it means using PCH PCIe lanes for the (non-performance-critical) GTX1060.

But yeah, if you already have a good 370 chipset board, the 390 chipset, on its own, doesn't seem to create a compelling reason to upgrade.
We'll have to wait and see how the motherboards that use it do, maybe they'll offer a reason.

With the recent news, it looks like I might actually build a new system within the next six months.
It all depends on the how the new stuff from Intel and NVidia do here at the [H].
And yeah, I'm still tending towards Intel CPUs -- I love single-thread performance, and Intel still rules there.
 
JosiahBradley said:
So will an 8700K actually be faster than the 9700K in threaded workloads given it has SMT enabled?
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8/8 should have slightly higher throughput than 6/12. 6 * 1.25 HT = approx 7.5 equivalent. It's possible that a 12T workload might respond better despite lower throughput (classic bandwidth vs latency), as 6/12 can physically do 12 threads at a time although they'll be running more slowly than the ones on 8/8. But I wouldn't expect that to matter unless you're running a highly threaded database or 9+ active VMs, etc.
 
xorbe said:
8/8 should have slightly higher throughput than 6/12. 6 * 1.25 HT = approx 7.5 equivalent. It's possible that a 12T workload might respond better despite lower throughput (classic bandwidth vs latency), as 6/12 can physically do 12 threads at a time although they'll be running more slowly than the ones on 8/8. But I wouldn't expect that to matter unless you're running a highly threaded database or 9+ active VMs, etc.
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The 1.25 speedup form INtel HT is very generic/avergaed out. however i can confirm in my test too that its aprox 25% speedup in average over the software i tested (That had enough threads to utilize it)
 
So, will they be using high quality TP or toothpaste again this time 'round?
 
A step in the right direction to win back some enthusiast with it STIM and z300 mobo compatibility.
 
BoiseTech said:
Did you read the article, look at the slides, or Kyles first post?
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I read "NEW Solder Thermal Interface (STIM)" and thought it meant they are going to solder the lid onto the substrate and then Kyle said sell sell sell your delid tool NOW which further reinforced the thought that Intel will be soldering the lid in place and at this point why would I view the slides? But that doesn't tell us what quality of TP will be used.

Did you read Kyle's post and view the slides?
 
Teenyman45 said:
5 GHz on air! It's Coffee Lake - Devil's Canyon Edition. Renee James must be so proud.
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funny how one slide turn upside down your opinion on a product.

Solder TIM.:geek:

And all of a sudden, i am an Intel fanboy again. :cool:
 
_l_ said:
I read "NEW Solder Thermal Interface (STIM)" and thought it meant they are going to solder the lid onto the substrate and then Kyle said sell sell sell your delid tool NOW which further reinforced the thought that Intel will be soldering the lid in place and at this point why would I view the slides? But that doesn't tell us what quality of TP will be used.

Did you read Kyle's post and view the slides?
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Solder in this case is the TIM (thermal interface material), aka thermal paste (except in this case it's not paste, it's solder). There is no toothpaste under the lid, only solder, thus no need for delid tool.
 
I want to be there when the first delidder who didn't get the memo scrapes his new processor off his substrate.


P.S. (sings) "Memorieeeeeees .... May be beautiful and yeeeeeet .... What is so painful to remeeeembeeeer ... Your friend has filmed and put on YouTuuuuuube ..."
 
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I think the only reason they are doing this is because they have to. more cores at a higher clock speeds I bet require it to keep these cool.
 
Would be nice if I'm running something that could use all 16 threads.

With the exception of video compression, most the apps I use have trouble making use of 4 cores, let alone 8 or 16.

Since I'm already at 5Ghz, 95% of what I run would see little or no improvement.

Guess I'll wait a few more years.
 
Wtf I love Intel now!
Courageous! Innovative! Market leading!
Cue the IDF to tell us how it'll make microsolder cracks and other crap.. Oh wait, it's not an AMD product so it's now amazing.
 
nutzo said:
Would be nice if I'm running something that could use all 16 threads.

With the exception of video compression, most the apps I use have trouble making use of 4 cores, let alone 8 or 16.

Since I'm already at 5Ghz, 95% of what I run would see little or no improvement.

Guess I'll wait a few more years.
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People who use emulators are going to love having more cores and threads. Especially those of us still on 4 cores who need more juice for rpcs3 and cemu
 
I think Haswell-E was the last time Intel used solder. Doesn't AMD use it for both Ryzen and Threadripper? About fucking time Intel started using it again. Broadwell-E used a crappy TIM didn't it? Just one more reason why I felt Haswell-E was a better overclocker out the box.
 
DrezKill said:
I think Haswell-E was the last time Intel used solder. Doesn't AMD use it for both Ryzen and Threadripper? About fucking time Intel started using it again. Broadwell-E used a crappy TIM didn't it? Just one more reason why I felt Haswell-E was a better overclocker out the box.
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It's just the 2200g and 2400g and perhaps any similar value parts that use paste, all the Ryzen branded parts are soldered.
 
Yes, please sell sell sell you're delidding tools! I need to give this 7700K oven a treatment.
 
nutzo said:
Would be nice if I'm running something that could use all 16 threads.

With the exception of video compression, most the apps I use have trouble making use of 4 cores, let alone 8 or 16.

Since I'm already at 5Ghz, 95% of what I run would see little or no improvement.

Guess I'll wait a few more years.
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Yeah, there is no point to upgrade, minesweeper won't run faster on more threads!
 
They bring back the solder just to make your CPU look inferior so you buy it just for the thermal material.
Interested on the price of the 9900K I don't think two more cores would do me any good anyway 8700K would probably match it performance wise for games anyway.
 
Thanking AMD for this.
When will intel bring back copper core for their heatsink? Current intel hsf is ugly af.
 
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