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And do tell why do you think public schools are so bad? Could it have anything to do with the cuts to education that have been happening for decades.... If only there was a solution for that problem.....

No real education cuts here in California.

Current official spending here in California: $10,467 per student. (actual number is higher, but they don't like to count all the spending so they can plead poverty)

I live in an ok district, but ok is not good enough.

I spent less than that amount putting my kid though a good private school.
 
Nor should you. Taking money away from public schools in order to give it to people that can afford to send their kids to private schools is fucking evil.

What about the millions of illegal immigrants who put their anchor babies through public schools and hardly pay any property taxes? That's complete bullshit.
 
I too play the family/long term property game.


Been in my home here in California over 20 years.
Even if I doubled my pay, I can no longer afford to buy a home in my neighborhood.
Without Prop 13 my property taxes would be almost $10,000 a year, enough to cause me to finally give up and move out of state.

The ability to transfer that smaller tax basis to a single story home when I retire is the only way I'll be able to stay in California, as I wouldn't be able to afford current tax rates on a fixed income.
(It's a 1 time deal for retired people, so it will likely be the last time I ever move).
 
I think some people need to re evaluate their public school produces idiots and only poor people go to public school view.

You'd be pretty sad if all those people left tomorrow and no one wanted to work for minimum wage.

Hope theres a joke I missed or there was some sarcasm. Public school teachers have a huge burden to bear and could some of that defense spending IMO

Funny how public school teachers are much more likely to send their kids to private schools than the general population.
Seems they would have the most inside knowledge about how good/bad the public schools are.

FYI: My wife was a public school teacher before we had kids, and our kids went to a private school, even though we had to scrimp and save to afford it.

Not all public schools are bad, some districts have excellent schools like the Irvine school district here in Orange County, CA.

However some are terrible.
My niece graduated 8th grade at the top of her private school.
She only had 1 choice for a public high school. School was so bad it didn't have any AP classes.

In California you have the right to choose a different public school, if the new school has room.
She was accepted to charter school in another district that was one of the top rate in the country. (excellent public school)
When the charter school asked what district they lived in, they where told they would never be able to get the transfer in time for the start of the school year.
Even though they have to allow the transfer, the bad school district always denies the transfer, then delays the hearing when you appeal.
After 2 appeals, they have no choice but to allow the transfer, but due to the intentional delays it's now too late to transfer.

My brother ended up sending her to a private high school (expensive), as that was his only other choice.
 
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What about the millions of illegal immigrants who put their anchor babies through public schools and hardly pay any property taxes? That's complete bullshit.
Everyone who lives in an area pays property tax it's just rolled into their rent. But the tax is still there and typically rental properties are taxed higher than a homestead.
 
Everyone who lives in an area pays property tax it's just rolled into their rent. But the tax is still there and typically rental properties are taxed higher than a homestead.

Nope. I pay $12,000 in property tax for a single family home. Illegals park 3-5 families in a single family home & not only split the property tax, but short change the school districts. Get back to me when a single illegal immigrant family pays $12,000 a year in property taxes on top of rent in a single family home. I'll wait.
 
Nope. I pay $12,000 in property tax for a single family home. Illegals park 3-5 families in a single family home & not only split the property tax, but short change the school districts. Get back to me when a single illegal immigrant family pays $12,000 a year in property taxes on top of rent in a single family home. I'll wait.

You could just get 3-4 families to live in your home with you and do the same thing. Something tells me that would not be ideal though.
 
Poor companies, boo hoo.



I've been lucky enough in my life to never have fallen on hard times where I needed to get financial help from society.
But I know that if something unforeseen does happen, I'll have some sort of safety that comes from the system I've been paying into for many years.
And I also possess enough empathy to feel for people, Americans, who need a leg up, maybe for a month, maybe for years, because that's just their situation.

I find it disgusting that you call benefits 'handouts' as if those came from the good-hearted "producers" (LOL on so many levels). I find it even more disgusting that you call them 'leeches' as if they weren't people.

Are the American farmers leeches? Because they get massive amounts of assistance left and right. Oh and now even more because of trump's tariffs. Are they leeches?

Companies are getting enough tax breaks, and have enough loopholes already. They don't need to cheat on tax assessments, and they don't deserve to get away with it.
It gets even more surreal when you consider the majority of welfare recipients are working, they're just not earning enough to cover basic living costs. That's totally not a failure of the market or anything.
 
Who gives a fk, they have cut down on commuting with staff shuttles etc, reduced congestion and pollution, fitted an insane amount of solar panels to reduce emissions and employed tons more staff. Its nice to see Steve's final vision / project coming to an end.
 
Your property tax should be based on your market cap.

So if you get a raise at work your property tax should go up? If you want to make property tax based on the "value" of the inhabitant of the building then it would apply to everyone, including personal residence. Property tax is USUALLY based on the market value of the building. If you tried to sell it then how much would it go for. In my area, the city usually comes up with a number that is actually a little lower than its value. Your mileage may vary. There's also a lag on assessment as well which benefits on the rise and doesn't on the fall of housing prices.
 
I wish I had the ability to do that with my local property taxes in the Bay Area.

You can, its called a property assessment appeal. I do it. It takes time and effort and you dont always win but a lot of times you can get your taxes reduced or at least held to their current levels.

Honestly there is nothing wrong with what these companies are doing. The law says they are entitled to appeal property tax assessments and they are doing just that - exactly like you or I would. Are they being more aggressive? Sure. Are they choosing insanely low values? You bet! I do to when fighting assessments...you know why? Because it ends up somewhere in between at a more reasonable number in the end.

Tax assessors have the issue that they rarely really understand what they are assessing. They just have a formula to go by and ignore conditions or markets. Take my house for example, when I bought it at about $200k they assessed it at $ 500k. The bank appraisal said it was worth $210k. Why the huge difference? Because their formula calculated that with X sq feet and Y sq feet of land I would be assessed at Z rate plus a factor the assessor could fudge with. Plus they compared my house with new construction over 3 miles away instead of right next door. Houses that had totally different features than mine. For example I dont have a garage, every house they compared me to had a 3 car garage...

I bought a foreclosure that had severe issues. They ignored all of that in the tax assessment and the county argued condition didnt matter in value. A judge said otherwise.

I included the video of Apple Park to illustrate how there is literally nothing on the campus that looks like it is worth $200. :)

That's not true, I am sure some of those trash bins are less than $200.

I didn't know Betsy DeVos posted on these forums.

Grow up.

No real education cuts here in California.

Current official spending here in California: $10,467 per student. (actual number is higher, but they don't like to count all the spending so they can plead poverty)

I live in an ok district, but ok is not good enough.

I spent less than that amount putting my kid though a good private school.

I think you'll agree based on our post but...spending is not an indication of a quality education. Baltimore city spends more than $15k/student and yet in the 2017 assessment tests Baltimore students placed among the lowest in the nation for scores in reading and math. We need to stop associating dollar spending with better educations. You cant just throw money at this issue and expect it to just be fixed.
 
For over a decade now I've read credible stories about exploits, lawsuits, tax issues, ridiculous copyright cases, and many other negative things against apple. Some, usually very few, make it to the mass media. I've then wondered why so much never really does even when it's fact. So, as usual, follow the money. This is purely hypothetical. Often takes money to get into politics. High level political positions are commonly held by wealthy people. They may own large portions of a particular stock. They may also help broker deals for a said company's product to be used in their business, community, school, etc. Using this half baked theory its pretty easy to see why so much isn't widely publicized and why a said company ever receives extensive regulation regardless of administrations because who wants to jeopardize their meal ticket. I'm not saying that by any means no other company or industry isn't guilty of these same practices, just that its odd this one seems to always come away squeaky clean.
 
Property taxes and most taxes in general are a huge wealth redistribution plan. Taking from the producers to give to the leeches.

Really? Taxes simply provide services in common that the community needs such as parks, libraries, infrastructure, police and fire protection and many other things. No one is an island, in spite of the delusional who believe it's possible.
 
For over a decade now I've read credible stories about exploits, lawsuits, tax issues, ridiculous copyright cases, and many other negative things against apple. Some, usually very few, make it to the mass media. I've then wondered why so much never really does even when it's fact. So, as usual, follow the money. This is purely hypothetical. Often takes money to get into politics. High level political positions are commonly held by wealthy people. They may own large portions of a particular stock. They may also help broker deals for a said company's product to be used in their business, community, school, etc. Using this half baked theory its pretty easy to see why so much isn't widely publicized and why a said company ever receives extensive regulation regardless of administrations because who wants to jeopardize their meal ticket. I'm not saying that by any means no other company or industry isn't guilty of these same practices, just that its odd this one seems to always come away squeaky clean.

There are, apparently, so Conflict of Interest laws. In this country, at the municipal level, you can't vote on any matter, as an elected official, in which you will benefit. You are required to declare a conflict of interest. The penalties for not disclosing are severe. But that aside, municipalities should use the logic here for those companies which are "to big to pay taxes". It is common to be invoked for higher tiers of government, as well. It's called "payment in lieu of taxes" and it applies to hospitals, universities and colleges, provincial and government facilities and so on. The payment is not based on assessment but upon what the services would cost to provide if the owner were to be paying taxes. Everyone wins except the lawyers.
 
So if you get a raise at work your property tax should go up? If you want to make property tax based on the "value" of the inhabitant of the building then it would apply to everyone, including personal residence. Property tax is USUALLY based on the market value of the building. If you tried to sell it then how much would it go for. In my area, the city usually comes up with a number that is actually a little lower than its value. Your mileage may vary. There's also a lag on assessment as well which benefits on the rise and doesn't on the fall of housing prices.
This corporate property tax in this discussion.

Market Cap is allegedly based on a company's worth. Which should be some weighting of net assets and assured near term and medium term profits. Their ability to pay should scale with that. I don't think friction against over inflated Market Cap is a bad thing.
 
This corporate property tax in this discussion.

Market Cap is allegedly based on a company's worth. Which should be some weighting of net assets and assured near term and medium term profits. Their ability to pay should scale with that. I don't think friction against over inflated Market Cap is a bad thing.

Ok so conversely you are entirely ok with the government getting next to nothing when they go from being worth 100 million to 10 million overnight because they were overvalued? Property values are more stable and predictable...which is better for a tax base than the market which can be very volatile.
 
DeVos hasn't been around for the past 30 years to watch the public school system circle the toilet. But we all know leftists need a scapegoat for their failed social programs...

You're absolutely right, she hasn't! She doesn't know shit about the school system and is looking at it now from the perspective of someone who owns 10 yachts. She bought her way in. She's scum and so is her brother Erik. The school system is in shambles because we've been continuously cutting their funding while increasing spending on military. The fact that teachers have to buy supplies because of budget shortfalls, that doesn't bother you?
 
You can, its called a property assessment appeal. I do it. It takes time and effort and you dont always win but a lot of times you can get your taxes reduced or at least held to their current levels.

Honestly there is nothing wrong with what these companies are doing. The law says they are entitled to appeal property tax assessments and they are doing just that - exactly like you or I would. Are they being more aggressive? Sure. Are they choosing insanely low values? You bet! I do to when fighting assessments...you know why? Because it ends up somewhere in between at a more reasonable number in the end.

Tax assessors have the issue that they rarely really understand what they are assessing. They just have a formula to go by and ignore conditions or markets. Take my house for example, when I bought it at about $200k they assessed it at $ 500k. The bank appraisal said it was worth $210k. Why the huge difference? Because their formula calculated that with X sq feet and Y sq feet of land I would be assessed at Z rate plus a factor the assessor could fudge with. Plus they compared my house with new construction over 3 miles away instead of right next door. Houses that had totally different features than mine. For example I dont have a garage, every house they compared me to had a 3 car garage...

I bought a foreclosure that had severe issues. They ignored all of that in the tax assessment and the county argued condition didnt matter in value. A judge said otherwise.



That's not true, I am sure some of those trash bins are less than $200.



Grow up.



I think you'll agree based on our post but...spending is not an indication of a quality education. Baltimore city spends more than $15k/student and yet in the 2017 assessment tests Baltimore students placed among the lowest in the nation for scores in reading and math. We need to stop associating dollar spending with better educations. You cant just throw money at this issue and expect it to just be fixed.
That doesn’t work in Oakland when the market is booming. My drinking buddy is a real estate attorney with the best pedigree I’ve ever seen (Harvard law, Rhodes scholar). It’s a waste of time to fight it here unless you’re making corporation amounts of money.

Reassessments in the Bay Area aren’t that helpful but we got prop 13 to protect us from this bullshit state tax grabs.
 
Wow, my dad made a lot of money from contracts and I still went to public school. Had a math tutor because I didn't care for it and the school provided them.

Took out loans, got some grants, got my B.S.

Did a Peace Corps tour to try and improve our image and helps some people out (they think were a joke).

Moving to Seattle to get my masters and then I plan to take one of the many 6 figure jobs they are placing people in.....

My spouse is getting their PhD on a full ride and is already published in medical Journal's.


I think some people need to re evaluate their public school produces idiots and only poor people go to public school view.

You'd be pretty sad if all those people left tomorrow and no one wanted to work for minimum wage.


Hope theres a joke I missed or there was some sarcasm. Public school teachers have a huge burden to bear and could some of that defense spending IMO
I feel like the people saying public schools just need more money don't know the first thing about public schools lol sure give em more money. Won't be going to teachers I can tell ya that!
 
That doesn’t work in Oakland when the market is booming. My drinking buddy is a real estate attorney with the best pedigree I’ve ever seen (Harvard law, Rhodes scholar). It’s a waste of time to fight it here unless you’re making corporation amounts of money.

Reassessments in the Bay Area aren’t that helpful but we got prop 13 to protect us from this bullshit state tax grabs.

Fair enough, I dont know that area. My assumption would be if thats the case then clearly the leadership has to be changed. Our governments are supposed to serve us...not oppress us. Prpo 13 looks similar to what MD has called "Homestead tax credit". Its not great but its better than nothing. Typically with appeals in MD (varies by county) you either get it reduced immediately or end up in court over it. In Baltimore city they default to making you show up in court. I have never had a property over assessed (and taxes are insane in Baltimore city) get relief w/out suing the county. The thing is they always lose because its clear their assesors are simply trying to jack up taxes with no justifiable improvements in the city. In fact many neighborhoods decline in value but taxes go up.

I feel like the people saying public schools just need more money don't know the first thing about public schools lol sure give em more money. Won't be going to teachers I can tell ya that!

Bingo. Like I said the amount of money spent per student has absolutely no relevance in terms of quality of education given. Baltimore is a good case study in that....
 
Really? Taxes simply provide services in common that the community needs such as parks, libraries, infrastructure, police and fire protection and many other things. No one is an island, in spite of the delusional who believe it's possible.

Someone has never heard of rural west virginia before. They don't need no stupid parks, libraries, infrastructure, police, firemen, schools, etc. etc.

Moonshine and brother/cousin Cletus work just fine.
 
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Yeah, rather than improve them, better to abolish them altogether and let poor kids run free like wild animals. That's what developed countries do, right?

It's hard to improve when they embrace alternate ways of learning that allow for incorrect answers. You let the left get a hold of things and they just dumb it down.
 
Fair enough, I dont know that area. My assumption would be if thats the case then clearly the leadership has to be changed. Our governments are supposed to serve us...not oppress us. Prpo 13 looks similar to what MD has called "Homestead tax credit". Its not great but its better than nothing. Typically with appeals in MD (varies by county) you either get it reduced immediately or end up in court over it. In Baltimore city they default to making you show up in court. I have never had a property over assessed (and taxes are insane in Baltimore city) get relief w/out suing the county. The thing is they always lose because its clear their assesors are simply trying to jack up taxes with no justifiable improvements in the city. In fact many neighborhoods decline in value but taxes go up.



Bingo. Like I said the amount of money spent per student has absolutely no relevance in terms of quality of education given. Baltimore is a good case study in that....
He's undermining his own points. Yes, we have tax property protection in California and also can appeal any tax assessments. He has no idea how easy or hard it is to prevail because he's never done it and won't even try. He's already convinced himself that it won't work before the fact. But look at his reasoning: if it's true that an appeal won't work because market conditions would indicate the valuation wasn't too high, that's the market at work and not government edict. If he is paying too high taxes, and it's not clear he is, it's certainly not because the State of California is telling him to do so in spite of market conditions based on what he wrote here.

Also, not sure who was griping about illegals in our state not paying their fair share of property taxes, but they pay them the same way most people posting here pay them: through their landlords. My small family size in my huge 4K sq ft home (and resulting whopper of a tax bill) more than makes up for however many Mexicans (not sure if they're legal/illegal/anchored/etc. just know they're Mexican like pretty much the rest of people in and out of this thread bitching about "immigration" in California) cram into our apartments that we rent out. I do charge them when the water usage goes up and when it starts getting to the point of not recognizing my tenants anymore I raise rent even more until they move out (or pay through the nose).

Maybe they do, maybe they don't pay their "fair" share, but I will say that compared to the people who were homeschooled by parents who think nothing other about universities than it's full of leftish bullshit the allegedly interlopers of "free" education are much more receptive to learning new concepts.

I don't agree that Baltimore is illustrative of how much money we spend per student in the sense that we spend a lot yet receive little for it. That $15K per year is the same cost as daycare and amounts to roughly $40/day. Now that's 365 days per year, which of course is more than a traditional school year, but teachers work more often than a traditional school year and the point is that no one here would watch a single kid for a whole day for $40 bucks let alone a whole room of them and even less so actually teaching them relevant skills rather than simply watching them grow like a daycare.
 
Maybe they do, maybe they don't pay their "fair" share, but I will say that compared to the people who were homeschooled by parents who think nothing other about universities than it's full of leftish bullshit the allegedly interlopers of "free" education are much more receptive to learning new concepts.
This chunk was a little confusing, but my experience leads me to conclude that my ESL students aren't half as bad as the ones who come from this background:

My kids don't go to a private school. They are home schooled.
Cool! What are you teaching them?
Public schools, from experience, are pretty much there to just dumb down the population in general so they can be more easily controlled. The political left wing crap that is shoveled in public schools and at colleges is disgusting.
hmmm, interesting, what are your teaching qualifications?
 
Someone has never heard of rural west virginia before. They don't need no stupid parks, libraries, infrastructure, police, firemen, schools, etc. etc.

Moonshine and brother/cousin Cletus work just fine.

Drove through it many years ago. Sounds like it hasn't changed at all.
 
Corporate: " Woe, woe, woe ... he's here but he's not here; he's here but he's not here. It's complicated. Hey! It's complicated! " - Iron Man, the Mandarin
 
He's undermining his own points. Yes, we have tax property protection in California and also can appeal any tax assessments. He has no idea how easy or hard it is to prevail because he's never done it and won't even try. He's already convinced himself that it won't work before the fact. But look at his reasoning: if it's true that an appeal won't work because market conditions would indicate the valuation wasn't too high, that's the market at work and not government edict. If he is paying too high taxes, and it's not clear he is, it's certainly not because the State of California is telling him to do so in spite of market conditions based on what he wrote here.

Also, not sure who was griping about illegals in our state not paying their fair share of property taxes, but they pay them the same way most people posting here pay them: through their landlords. My small family size in my huge 4K sq ft home (and resulting whopper of a tax bill) more than makes up for however many Mexicans (not sure if they're legal/illegal/anchored/etc. just know they're Mexican like pretty much the rest of people in and out of this thread bitching about "immigration" in California) cram into our apartments that we rent out. I do charge them when the water usage goes up and when it starts getting to the point of not recognizing my tenants anymore I raise rent even more until they move out (or pay through the nose).

Maybe they do, maybe they don't pay their "fair" share, but I will say that compared to the people who were homeschooled by parents who think nothing other about universities than it's full of leftish bullshit the allegedly interlopers of "free" education are much more receptive to learning new concepts.

Hey at least your tenants are paying rent ;). I just evicted the third set this year. Baltimore sucks.

I don't agree that Baltimore is illustrative of how much money we spend per student in the sense that we spend a lot yet receive little for it. That $15K per year is the same cost as daycare and amounts to roughly $40/day. Now that's 365 days per year, which of course is more than a traditional school year, but teachers work more often than a traditional school year and the point is that no one here would watch a single kid for a whole day for $40 bucks let alone a whole room of them and even less so actually teaching them relevant skills rather than simply watching them grow like a daycare.

Thats not what I said. What I said was that spending more money on education doesnt automatically equate to better educated students. Somewhere along the line someone decided that dollars spent per student was a good KPI and that there was a relationship between it and the standardized test scores KPI. But time and time again we see that higher dollars spent per student does not directly impact student test scores. Miami-Dade spends about $8k per student and their students have some of the highest literacy rates amongst its low income students...

Instead of just throwing more money at a system we already know is broken we should be concentrating on how to fix it. I am not saying the amount of money doesnt matter, at some level it does of course because you need a minimum amount of it to get by. What I am saying is that its HOW that money is used thats critical. Baltimore clearly does a shitty job of educating its students with more money that most so there is likely a lot of room for improvement within the district. Yet nobody wants do tackle that instead they just throw more money into the pit and hope things will get better.

BTW there are 180 school days in a year.
 
I think you'll agree based on our post but...spending is not an indication of a quality education. Baltimore city spends more than $15k/student and yet in the 2017 assessment tests Baltimore students placed among the lowest in the nation for scores in reading and math. We need to stop associating dollar spending with better educations. You cant just throw money at this issue and expect it to just be fixed.

If you look at education spending, you can almost assume the opposite. The more spent per student, the worse the educational outcome.
 
You're absolutely right, she hasn't! She doesn't know shit about the school system and is looking at it now from the perspective of someone who owns 10 yachts. She bought her way in. She's scum and so is her brother Erik. The school system is in shambles because we've been continuously cutting their funding while increasing spending on military. The fact that teachers have to buy supplies because of budget shortfalls, that doesn't bother you?

Obama was prez for 8 years & did shit for the schools. What a hypocritical scumbag he was.
 
Thats not what I said.

BTW there are 180 school days in a year.
It's not what you wrote, but it is what you meant. You can't have an honest conversation citing the "high" cost of education when you're using poverty metrics. When someone is legitimately being underpaid, then *paying* them more or appropriate is not "throwing money at a problem." Using that kind of logic would mean that if I try and fix a plumbing leak but make the situation worse from my nickel and dime HD remedies, then when I finally pony up for a licensed plumber I'm merely throwing money at the problem!

If your overall point was that sending more money to schools won't likely impact the education dollars because of indirect costs, like staff/management, that's a separate argument and doesn't have anything to do with how much is spent per year. If you wanted to have an educated position on that point, that overhead costs is the larger part of the problem, you'd have sussed out how much went to instructional costs vs. administrative costs and injected that into your $15K per year figure. As it is, the argument you made is nothing more than garbage in, garbage out, which is not to say your position is garbage but that the variables you've fed into your model (and the model itself) are so faulty that the information it's giving you at the other end is worse than useless.

Ignoring the fact that schools vary around the country in how many instructional days per calendar year their students attend, *teachers* (and staff) are not paid by how many hours their "customers" interact with them. In what other industry does this nonsensical logic actually work? Certainly not the one you work in, I'm betting. It'd be an interesting experiment to have all the hourly wage workers in this thread suddenly get paid by exact face-to-face interactions only. That is, you work 8 hours but your boss tells you they looked over the records of the day and it looks like you only served about 2-3 hours worth of clientele and so that's what you'll be paid for today.
 

LMFAO!! Common core was & still is a failure. It hurt special needs students & still is one of the most inefficient methods of solving mathematical equations. Had they rolled it out starting only with kindergarten it might have not been the giant shitstorm it became. But they forced it on every grade without it even being finished! I would know, my kids got the brunt of it in middle school! In short, common core is one of the many bad ideas of the Obama administration. If it weren’t private schools would have adopted it. They didn’t.
 
LMFAO!! Common core was & still is a failure. It hurt special needs students & still is one of the most inefficient methods of solving mathematical equations. Had they rolled it out starting only with kindergarten it might have not been the giant shitstorm it became. But they forced it on every grade without it even being finished! I would know, my kids got the brunt of it in middle school! In short, common core is one of the many bad ideas of the Obama administration. If it weren’t private schools would have adopted it. They didn’t.
I didn't make any claims regarding whether the changes that occurred during the administration were positive or negative, but it's not true the administration did nothing. More to the point, the changes are still playing out and people will have different reactions to their implementation. I simply provided a link to those changes where people can go to read more information and make conclusions based on the information.

You got a problem with that kind of way of discussing an issue rather than me simply yelling louder into the microphone until people either give in or give up?
 
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It's not what you wrote, but it is what you meant. You can't have an honest conversation citing the "high" cost of education when you're using poverty metrics. When someone is legitimately being underpaid, then *paying* them more or appropriate is not "throwing money at a problem." Using that kind of logic would mean that if I try and fix a plumbing leak but make the situation worse from my nickel and dime HD remedies, then when I finally pony up for a licensed plumber I'm merely throwing money at the problem!

If your overall point was that sending more money to schools won't likely impact the education dollars because of indirect costs, like staff/management, that's a separate argument and doesn't have anything to do with how much is spent per year. If you wanted to have an educated position on that point, that overhead costs is the larger part of the problem, you'd have sussed out how much went to instructional costs vs. administrative costs and injected that into your $15K per year figure. As it is, the argument you made is nothing more than garbage in, garbage out, which is not to say your position is garbage but that the variables you've fed into your model (and the model itself) are so faulty that the information it's giving you at the other end is worse than useless.

Ignoring the fact that schools vary around the country in how many instructional days per calendar year their students attend, *teachers* (and staff) are not paid by how many hours their "customers" interact with them. In what other industry does this nonsensical logic actually work? Certainly not the one you work in, I'm betting. It'd be an interesting experiment to have all the hourly wage workers in this thread suddenly get paid by exact face-to-face interactions only. That is, you work 8 hours but your boss tells you they looked over the records of the day and it looks like you only served about 2-3 hours worth of clientele and so that's what you'll be paid for today.


No its not what I meant so stop trying to make assumptions. You want to talk teacher salaries...get some facts. http://www.marylandpublicschools.or...SSP/20172018Staff/20172018SalarySchedules.pdf Baltimore city starting teacher salaries are just below national median income. Baltimore's median income was 38k/yr...less than what the starting wage for a teacher there earns.

Again, in simple English: More money doesn't necessarily mean better education. Money better spent does. Stop trying to spend your way out of problem and fix the problem. I.E. Quality not quantity.
 
In short, common core is one of the many bad ideas of the Obama administration. If it weren’t private schools would have adopted it. They didn’t.
As an aside, it doesn't seem like you know or understand what common core is. Private schools are *required* to adopt the standards. For some reason you equate private schools' not implementing a program to their indictment of the standards laid out when in fact they already teach to a higher standard so it's an irrelevant point.

The larger issue, however, is parental involvement.
 
No its not what I meant so stop trying to make assumptions. You want to talk teacher salaries...get some facts. http://www.marylandpublicschools.or...SSP/20172018Staff/20172018SalarySchedules.pdf Baltimore city starting teacher salaries are just below national median income. Baltimore's median income was 38k/yr...less than what the starting wage for a teacher there earns.

Again, in simple English: More money doesn't necessarily mean better education. Money better spent does. Stop trying to spend your way out of problem and fix the problem. I.E. Quality not quantity.
I have to admit I'm completely confused by what you are trying to argue here. You tell me to get some facts and then completely undermine your own argument.

Is your position that teachers in Baltimore or overpaid or underpaid?
Your responses read like you think the teachers aren't being paid appropriately but then keep following it up with a political slogan that "throwing money at a problem won't fix it" when paying someone who is underpaid more money *is* the fix to that specific problem.

You end with another feel good slogan that doesn't offer any insight into policy:
quality over quantity

but to do that you don't want to pay teachers more than $38K per year?
 
If you look at education spending, you can almost assume the opposite. The more spent per student, the worse the educational outcome.
That's mainly because most people do not know, or even care to know, what goes into the cost of educating the general public. Comparing private to public schools straight across the board without accounting for relevant variables certainly makes it seem like the public school system is doing a shit job with more money. But absent from that analysis is the cost of all of the other bullshit.

You can not simply do a raw comparison of St. Mary's tuition vs. all of the specialized education (for both advanced and remedial students), special accommodations, and just keeping a shit ton of rowdy students busy costs. Private schools have self-selected communities. My university just had to roll out a little over 10 million dollars to one of our tiny satellites to update all their buildings to be code and ADA compliant. That's an educational cost that would be in the total dollar figures that a) isn't going to instructional staff and b) isn't usually going to be something the private industry has to shoulder. There are less than 1,000 students there and even if 10% of them needed wheelchair accommodations that's 100 people. Scale the number up and down to wherever you comfortably feel the population would realistic be, but regardless you won't find a bottom line rationale for it. The very fact we even maintain a satellite campus out in the middle of nowhere is a cost private education wouldn't even bother with carrying.
 
I look at it like this. The value of the property for taxation purposes should also be the value paid if that property is going to be part of an imminent domain action. The two are tied.

If the property is worth say... 100 million by the owners account. And the dispute the 4 billion dollar building down to 100 million then the city/county should be able to say. We have decided that instead of this eyesore on our land we have decided by imminent domain to purchase this land for the agreed 100 million value. You have 90 days to vacate... unless you would care to restate your value property for taxation purposes.
 
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