Patrick Stewart to Star in New “Star Trek” Series as Jean-Luc Picard on CBS All Access

Dekoth-E- said:
Too old to be at the rank of captain is the point. Him being captain wouldn't be explainable outside claiming he did something grossly out of character that got him demoted from admiral or above.
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Or he declined promotions...becuase he wanted to stay as a captain. I think that would be in character for him. Or maybe he retired and was reactivated for some critical need?

And honestly we dont know that he will still be a Captain in the show. All Stewart said was "Jean Luc Picard is back".
 
They could just come up with some catastrophe event that he comes out of retirement for. I am hoping this turns out to be good - was disappointed that Jason Isaacs role was for only one season of Discovery. His Captain Lorca was the most interesting character on the show.
 
Without having read the myriad comments above: My only issue is the fact that to have access to these new Star Trek series I will have to pay. Nope. I pay for NF and Amazon Prime. That's it. Even though I love me some ST: TNG, and Patrick Stewart, there's a breaking point.

I honestly can't pay for every streaming service out there.

If the resurrection of the Star Trek universe truly works out, I'll be able to eventually sit down and watch. Without paying for CBS All Access.
 
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The way they were portrayed, judging by that pic, is a hodgepodge of different stereotypes. The primary messaging is anti-Soviet. The facial hair is code for Russians. However, it is also code for "devil". The Mirror Universe was very superficial by using facial hair to make Spock evil, for example. Facial hair on men has long been tied to devil ideas, often expressed as a resemblance to goats. For Christian culture, Pan and Bacchus are obvious targets for disdain. Another stereotype, which was very important even in Elizabethan England, is the stereotype that pale skin for Caucasians is high-class, while very bronzed skin is for barbarians. That's why Elizabeth I covered herself in toxic lead dust. That wasn't racism. It was class hierarchy prejudice.

The belief was that only poor people have to labor outside so only poor people are tan. This kind of belief goes well beyond Elizabethan England, to America. (It also goes back to ancient Rome where you were free to be publicly naked but would be looked down upon because you would be tanned and not in a toga. It was, though, more about the clothes than the skin tone, when compared with something like Elizabethan England.) If you've seen Age of Innocence you might recall the complaint to May about "modern sports" causing women's hands to look less dainty. The exercise would allegedly cause their joints to "spread" (become more flexible), which would, of course, be very horrible because it would suggest that women can do something active, like men. Parasols and large hats were used outdoors to prevent tanning. In Gone With the Wind, Rhett catches Scarlett in her plan by discovering that her hands are rough from gardening. A real lady has soft hands because someone does all her work for her. The idea that women are best when they are artifact possessions that can't do anything for themselves is widespread as an upper-class ideal. High-heeled shoes. Chinese foot binding. Corsets so tight they squeezed the internal organs, causing fainting. Anorexic models. Etc.

I never saw the TOS Klingons as being black, not as a kid and not today when I look at that pic. TOS' biggest failing, when it comes to -isms, is its sexism. Orion men are brutish and ugly while Orion women are seductive. Majel had to be taken out of pants, demoted, and put in a skirt with an ugly wig. And so on. The show was also pretty hawkish in the famous episode with the social worker — messaging that if you give peace a chance you're surrendering to evil.
 
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atreidesgoldenpath said:
In the earlier days of Netflix and cord cutting, it seemed like we would achieve the impossible and really stick it to Mr. Corporation.

However, the money always wins, and here we are getting more streaming services than anyone can keep track of or afford. So, you get nickel and dimed to death. Before, you were just getting one big rod in the back - now you’re getting stuffed with a dozen pencils instead.
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Isn't that what people wanted when they said they wanted to only pay for content they wanted and not the dreck they didn't? That leads to extreme splintering.
 
kju1 said:
Or he declined promotions...becuase he wanted to stay as a captain. I think that would be in character for him. Or maybe he retired and was reactivated for some critical need?
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The second maybe. The former becomes increasingly unbelievable as time goes on. Above a certain grade officers are expected to be "up or out", if you don't get promoted you retire. You can get a pass on that, but not forever. Even with Starfleet I'd imagine that would be the case as people live a long time and you don't want old farts clogging up all the leadership positions (contrary to how Admirals in the show have generally been shown :D )
 
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The way they were portrayed, judging by that pic, is a hodgepodge of different stereotypes. The primary messaging is anti-Soviet. The facial hair is code for Russians. However, it is also code for "devil". The Mirror Universe was very superficial by using facial hair to make Spock evil, for example. Facial hair on men has long been tied to devil ideas, often expressed as a resemblance to goats. For Christian culture, Pan and Bacchus are obvious targets for disdain. Another stereotype, which was very important even in Elizabethan England, is the stereotype that pale skin for Caucasians is high-class, while very bronzed skin is for barbarians. That's why Elizabeth I covered herself in toxic lead dust. That wasn't racism. It was class hierarchy prejudice.

The belief was that only poor people have to labor outside so only poor people are tan. This kind of belief goes well beyond Elizabethan England, to America. (It also goes back to ancient Rome where you were free to be publicly naked but would be looked down upon because you would be tanned and not in a toga. It was, though, more about the clothes than the skin tone, when compared with something like Elizabethan England.) If you've seen Age of Innocence you might recall the complaint to May about "modern sports" causing women's hands to look less dainty. The exercise would allegedly cause their joints to "spread" (become more flexible), which would, of course, be very horrible because it would suggest that women can do something active, like men. Parasols and large hats were used outdoors to prevent tanning. In Gone With the Wind, Rhett catches Scarlett in her plan by discovering that her hands are rough from gardening. A real lady has soft hands because someone does all her work for her. The idea that women are best when they are artifact possessions that can't do anything for themselves is widespread as an upper-class ideal. High-heeled shoes. Chinese foot binding. Corsets so tight they squeezed the internal organs, causing fainting. Anorexic models. Etc.

I never saw the TOS Klingons as being black, not as a kid and not today when I look at that pic. TOS' biggest failing, when it comes to -isms, is its sexism. Orion men are brutish and ugly while Orion women are seductive. Majel had to be taken out of pants, demoted, and put in a skirt with an ugly wig. And so on. The show was also pretty hawkish in the famous episode with the social worker — messaging that if you give peace a chance you're surrendering to evil.
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Trust me - you DON'T want the women brutish and ugly. This is what feminism leads into, I witness it every day.
 
Ranulfo said:
As others have said, this won't get me to subscribe to CBS' streaming service. Heh, $6 with ads, $10 without. It should be $2 at most or you know, free with ads on broadcast tv. Which isn't really free for some of us because my cable co. charges "rebroadcast fees" for the over the air networks. Since I can get those via antenna, can I cancel that from my cable tv package and save $5.99 per month? Hell no.
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Don't forget capped broadband, which is definitely a thing for a good number of people.
B00nie said:
Trust me - you DON'T want the women brutish and ugly. This is what feminism leads into, I witness it every day.
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Believe it or not, there are young good-looking men. Somehow, it just might be possible for Orion men to look just as good as the women and be just as seductive.

Star Trek is full of what I call the "Star Trek Speed Bump Race", too. All male. All ugly. All violent. In the case of Orions, they added female sexpots. In the case of the even uglier ones, the speed bumps (i.e. Nausicaans), they don't bother. This kind of thing isn't just in Trek, of course. Serenity goes to an extreme with it with the Reavers.

It's a false dilemma to claim that "feminism" is going to make all the women ugly the way chauvinism makes all the men. This is because we already have the chauvinist precedent well-established. Any move in the opposite direction can bring more balance. No one is going to turn the world on its head and have beautiful Orion men and ugly brutish Orion females. It's not going to happen.

As for me not wanting ugly brutish females, though — I wouldn't be so sure. I had some quality fun with my lascivious female Gamorrean cabaret singer in the Star Wars Saga game I ran. Of course, in the real franchise, you'll never see a female Gamorrean. Gamorreans were the Star Wars equivalent of the Star Trek speed bump race.
 
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Iratus said:
Even with Starfleet I'd imagine that would be the case as people live a long time and you don't want old farts clogging up all the leadership positions (contrary to how Admirals in the show have generally been shown :D )
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JJ Abrams completely ruined Starfleet as a military when it promoted a cadet to the rank of Captain.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
That was Riker's gig.
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It was also Kirk's. Kirk just happened to get demoted to captain. There was even dialogue about it. He said something about how he belongs "out there" or something.
atreidesgoldenpath said:
In the earlier days of Netflix and cord cutting, it seemed like we would achieve the impossible and really stick it to Mr. Corporation.

However, the money always wins, and here we are getting more streaming services than anyone can keep track of or afford. So, you get nickel and dimed to death. Before, you were just getting one big rod in the back - now you’re getting stuffed with a dozen pencils instead.
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We can thank Sonny Bono/Hollywood/Disney infinite copyright for a lot of this. Corporations own things forever now. The Supreme Court even ruled that Congress can take things from the public domain and put them back under copyright!

Every single creative work steals from (builds from) prior works. It's a simple fact. But, we're supposed to pretend that that's not the case, or pay dozens/hundreds of licensing fees. It's going to get to the point where you won't be able to use any bass line in a song, as a band, without paying someone a licensing fee. And drum pattern. And melody. Most every line of dialogue has probably been said before. The Supreme Court has ruled that works of art can be considered unique enough (a vague standard that favors people/entities who can afford good law firms), even if they have elements of other identifiable works in them, but that doesn't stop companies like CD presses from banning your disc if it finds a sample. John Fogerty was sued for sounding like himself. He won that case but the extremes to which IP holders will go to quash innovation/expression is breathtaking, as that case clearly shows. You don't have to see that level of insanity to find a big problem.

While it's good for the little person to be able to make something from their work, too much regulation around IP creates what I call IP serfdom. It makes it increasingly difficult to make a profit, or to innovate freely at all, unless you're already a big corporation. Specifically, the length of copyright is likely the biggest problem. And, it has gotten vastly longer than it was when it was first codified in law.
 
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SLee said:
JJ Abrams completely ruined Starfleet as a military when it promoted a cadet to the rank of Captain.
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JJ Abrams hasn't done anything with Starfleet. That must be in an alternate universe that never happened.

Damn multiverse.
 
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EVIL-SCOTSMAN said:
Who was complaining about being misunderstood ? It looks like its you, who needs to learn how to read.

To recap.

I said.

“Guess you missed the part where I said, “previously, they were played by both white and black actors”. < You can’t understand that ? fuck you and stop lieing.


He replied.

“Blah, not at all blah” However in reality, he lied to cover up his faux pas. Which was a photo trying to prove my “only blacks allowed” post was wrong. He then took it to a whole new dimension with;

“We both know what your real motivations are in this discussion”. < He can read my mind ? WTF Star Trek.


You then join the party and say, he/you can’t read/understand my posts. Or should I say;

One who pretends that he can’t read/understand my posts. Probably because he heard someone else say it before, who also lied. When it gets down to the nitty gritty, going grammar nazi means you failed.

However, you decide “I will try and be cool and say the same thing”. < Not cool, even if it wasn’t gay.

No, I did not miss the subtleties of sarcasm. As thats not what he meant.

I’am using an iphone and ipad. I do not give a shit about punctuation. I am also starting to wonder if schooling failed alot of you.
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Hi, troll, nice to finally meet you!

You're going on ignore, troll.

Why? Because I'm not going to waste time on hopeless cases, who are posting in bad faith.

Yeah, you go on ignoring punctuation. It shows that you have zero respect for the people reading your drivel.
 
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Paul_Johnson said:
That was Riker's gig.
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True but remember Kirk gave Picard some advice that he appeared to take to heart: Dont ever let them take you out of that chair. So maybe he will still be captain. But who knows at this point. Its all conjecture. All we know is we get more of Picard in whatever happened after the last movie.

Iratus said:
The second maybe. The former becomes increasingly unbelievable as time goes on. Above a certain grade officers are expected to be "up or out", if you don't get promoted you retire. You can get a pass on that, but not forever. Even with Starfleet I'd imagine that would be the case as people live a long time and you don't want old farts clogging up all the leadership positions (contrary to how Admirals in the show have generally been shown :D )
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Sure but we dont know exactly when this will take place. Just after the last movie. For all we know this could be Picard in a old fogies home tearin it up with Vash and reminiscing about old times ;)
 
jardows said:
Please don't mess this up! But from what I've read, Stewart is pretty much what made TNG what it was - he demanded everyone rise to the high level of quality he was accustomed to as a stage actor, and you can see the improvement as the seasons progressed. I don't think Sir Patrick would put up with it being the drivel we've had to put up with lately.
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they were going to off him when he was abducted by the borg as he wanted the stories to center around him more. they relented and going forward the show as about him.. he can eat a proverbial bag of dicks...

I want to see data and worf...
 
M76 said:
Hi, troll, nice to finally meet you!

You're going on ignore, troll.

Why? Because I'm not going to waste time on hopeless cases, who are posting in bad faith.

Yeah, you go on ignoring punctuation. It shows that you have zero respect for the people reading your drivel.
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Lol. You don’t want to waste time on me but.....you did, as proved by ^

Beam me up Scotty.

Scotty say’s......”WTF No, you can stay down there with the Klingon savages” Whilst we “Party over here fuck you over there, Party over here fuck you over there”.

i like my post :)
 
Hopefully they don't do to Picard what they did to Professor X in Logan.....but then that's probably how Patrick Stewart looks before tea in the morning now anyway. ;)
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
didn't know there was anyone that actually liked ST discovery, lol.. i tried to give the show a chance but it felt like they went out of their way to shit on the entire history of Star Trek.. at least with the movies there was only 1 real cross over which was done quite well in my opinion and they left it at that. as far as this new show i'm interested since i've always been a huge fan of Patrick Stewart ever since i watched TNG as a kid.
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I liked it a lot.
 
kju1 said:
Did you pay for it? It was good enough for me to watch at a friends house or other free means but not worth the money.
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I signed up FOR it. I wasn’t disappointed and look forward to season 2 in sept
 
dgz said:
I don't know. I always preferred Janeway. Bring Katerina back
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Janeway was a always a little too...righteous (pontificating) for my taste. Add in a lot of technobabble and Borg children, and that's when I knew the series ran out of fresh ideas and jumped the shark.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
Avery Brooks as Sisko was IMO. He was also awesome as Hawk.
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PIcard > Sisko > Kirk > Janeway > Archer (But a lot of this is related to the script writers strength and DS9 was my favorite series)
 
Dekoth-E- said:
If the same writers are in charge of this as discovery, I wish him luck in making this not a complete train wreck.
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I swear they are a bunch of Pakleds over there.

If they discovery it, I will send my nerd rage to CBS and tell them their script writers, directors and producers are a bunch of "baktag." and they have dishonored the classic trek family. I will challenge them to battle of death with Bat'leths insulting the honor of NG Trek Fans.
 
To be honest, this might be a peace offering to the half of people whom DETEST Discovery. I think CBS is acknowledging they alienated a large portion of their Trek audience with Discovery. This is an attempt to grab them back.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Janeway was a always a little too...righteous (pontificating) for my taste. Add in a lot of technobabble and Borg children, and that's when I knew the series ran out of fresh ideas and jumped the shark.
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I know what you mean. Maybe that's why I like her. Janeway was over the top in a lot of ways. Especially as Chaotica's bride. Omg, TNG and DS9 don't have anything on the good Voyager episodes. Real people served on that ship, not the ridiculous robots from TNG.
 
dgz said:
I know what you mean. Maybe that's why I like her. Janeway was over the top in a lot of ways. Especially as Chaotica's bride. Omg, TNG and DS9 don't have anything on the good Voyager episodes. Real people served on that ship, not the ridiculous robots from TNG.
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The good voyager episodes where way worse than the good DS9, but the few excellent voyager episodes are some of the best star trek, there wasn't many of them though.
 
Krenum said:
Voyager was a great show, without a doubt. The Year of Hell episode's & the Scorpion were top notch.
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Ya Janeway went off the deep end a few times throughout the 7 years.

It seems starfleet temporal dept hates her as much as Kirk.
 
dgz said:
I know what you mean. Maybe that's why I like her. Janeway was over the top in a lot of ways. Especially as Chaotica's bride. Omg, TNG and DS9 don't have anything on the good Voyager episodes. Real people served on that ship, not the ridiculous robots from TNG.
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Ah, yes. The good episodes. Which at best are 4-5 a season (year of hell for example). I get where you're coming from on robot vs real people but well, the two (lets be honest, main) characters with actual storylines or developed personalities at the end of voyager are an ex-borg cyborg chick and a hologram doctor. Two characters that I hated early on but grew to be the main highlights of the show. TNG doesn't hold up well for me for many reasons but taken as a whole, the characters weren't much more robotic than Voyager's. Voyager suffers a lot due to the producers, directors, and writers trying to make a reset of the week show (TNG) shoe-horned into a lost in space/fighting for our lives plotline.
 
Ranulfo said:
Ah, yes. The good episodes. Which at best are 4-5 a season (year of hell for example). I get where you're coming from on robot vs real people but well, the two (lets be honest, main) characters with actual storylines or developed personalities at the end of voyager are an ex-borg cyborg chick and a hologram doctor. Two characters that I hated early on but grew to be the main highlights of the show. TNG doesn't hold up well for me for many reasons but taken as a whole, the characters weren't much more robotic than Voyager's. Voyager suffers a lot due to the producers, directors, and writers trying to make a reset of the week show (TNG) shoe-horned into a lost in space/fighting for our lives plotline.
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4-5 real good out of 22 isn't that bad imo. Stopped watching TV a long time so always had the capability to skip stinkers. Luckily there isn't a plot to follow so about 12 watchable with 5 good isn't bad at all. And those I liked a lot.

I am in the middle of my third attempt to get into Babylon 5 as an adult. Skipped most episodes until I reached season 4 when suddenly I was blown away. Or maybe it was just me, I don't know.

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't bang captain Janeway, is that correct?
 
dgz said:
4-5 real good out of 22 isn't that bad imo. Stopped watching TV a long time so always had the capability to skip stinkers. Luckily there isn't a plot to follow so about 12 watchable with 5 good isn't bad at all. And those I liked a lot.

I am in the middle of my third attempt to get into Babylon 5 as an adult. Skipped most episodes until I reached season 4 when suddenly I was blown away. Or maybe it was just me, I don't know.

Out of curiosity, you wouldn't bang captain Janeway, is that correct?
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Give Babylon 5 a chance. Its truly awesome :)
 
DigitalGriffin said:
To be honest, this might be a peace offering to the half of people whom DETEST Discovery. I think CBS is acknowledging they alienated a large portion of their Trek audience with Discovery. This is an attempt to grab them back.
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You see a "peace offering", I see appeasement of a very loud internet minority. (it's not half- there are more people that haven't even seen Discovery- let alone hate it) Same reasons they're bringing back Billy Dee Williams and the late Carrie Fisher in Episode IX. Appeasement.

The difference is one is charitable. The other is conceding out of fear.
 
prime2515102 said:
I singed up for the All Access trial to check out Discovery but had access to nothing. All videos were unavailable. Fuck 'em. From the trailers and clips I've seen, it sucks anyway.

Too bad they're not airing this.
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I thought the same after a few eps but the twists in the story were surprisingly enjoyable and I rate it very highly now. Well aside from the token homosexuals to not offend anyone for being left out. No there is nothing wrong with that but its so bloody obvious why they are in the cast because it sure as hell isnt for their horrific acting skills.
 
pendragon1 said:
time to move to soapbox?
also has some new info in it. 20 years after nemesis... sweet.
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Good video, makes a lot of good points. Politics ruin everything! At no point EVER in my 30 years of watching Star Trek have I asked myself a racial charged question. In fact a good portion of the show, shows the viewer about bringing together different species , cultures and race.

All these dumbass politicians and networks want to do is divide people to either get votes or to have something to put on their websites to make the executives happy.

Its Ironic that we have a show "Star Trek" that explores interspeices relationships can't even get announced without the media going into a frenzy about it not being "diverse" enough. Doesn't give me a good feeling that the writing will be worth a damn.
 
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You see a "peace offering", I see appeasement of a very loud internet minority. (it's not half- there are more people that haven't even seen Discovery- let alone hate it) Same reasons they're bringing back Billy Dee Williams and the late Carrie Fisher in Episode IX. Appeasement.

The difference is one is charitable. The other is conceding out of fear.
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So they are conceding on Trek out of fear?
 
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