NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

interesting reviews sound favorable even though they only spin up to 2000 RPM (indust do 3000 and my vardars in my atx case do 3000)



idk max rpm on the sc2, but i know it goes above 2000. is putting fans on with a much lower RPM limit really ok? and does your 1080ti run quiter with the f12s than ithe stock cooler it came with?

I didn't try using my GPU with its fans since I know it'll run hot on this case and my ambient temp is around 30 C. So when I build my rig I took its cooler and install accelero. With the F12's it's keeping around 68C during load and on idle its silent. I guess the downside is I cannot OC it since I'm using a lower fan curve. I am planning to install the new A12's but I don't know yet
 
Are The f12s the best so far on your 1080ti?

They work fine. I have them connected directly to the GPU via a 4 pin gpu fan header adapter and I'm able to control them with afterburner. I have a conservative fan profile set up so that they're not audible under gaming load at all and my load temps stay around 65c. I think people are getting better results with the new a12x25 but since Noctua is a bunch of fascists and hate their customers by only offering them in poop brown I won't be making the switch.
 
They work fine. I have them connected directly to the GPU via a 4 pin gpu fan header adapter and I'm able to control them with afterburner. I have a conservative fan profile set up so that they're not audible under gaming load at all and my load temps stay around 65c. I think people are getting better results with the new a12x25 but since Noctua is a bunch of fascists and hate their customers by only offering them in poop brown I won't be making the switch.

While 65c is good, if im going to pay that much for fan might as well try the a12s then. Yeah the color sucks but oh well.


Noctuas excuse was its harder to dye the new material and that other colors will come in a year or so (lot of good it does).





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So i found somebody selling a evga 1080ti FE with accerlero alrdy on (with epoxy they say) for 600. Might bits on that.
 
hello,


what do you think about this one : https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h100i-pro-cpu-cooler,5471.html

Any hope to have it feet inside the M1? could be a great option with new Noctua fans.

I am still checking for the new sf600 PSU but seems like it's still unaivalable.

Looks like it should fit no problem size wise. It also has swivel barbs on the block which makes for easier routing of the tubing. As usual the included Corsair fans are loud but should work really well with some different fans.
 
so amazon canceled my sf600 platinum order and theres still no release date


guess i should just settle for the gold and the ugly cables.
 
Looks like it should fit no problem size wise. It also has swivel barbs on the block which makes for easier routing of the tubing. As usual the included Corsair fans are loud but should work really well with some different fans.

with new cpu from intel that are said to be soldered, we might found a quite good new set up. would the new noctua A12x25 work on with this? or are they to thick?

I already have a c14 but this cooler would allow me may be to use higher RAM.


Planning to do a set up in september, I hope that the sf600 will be available by then. but not sure the new cable will help. it might be better to use customised one.
 
The alleged i9 9900k is allegedly soldered, and allegedly has 8 cores and 16 threads at allegedly 5.5Ghz (likely single core boost allegedly) and allegedly will work on Z370.

Nothing is confirmed at this point.

Allegedly.
I'm excited for a consumer level 8-core Intel solution, allegedly.
 
Im going with ensourced for cust cables and just getting the gold sf600.


Do any of you know the measurements cables when using the u9s?
 
I'm excited for a consumer level 8-core Intel solution, allegedly.

I'm excited for that too, especially if we might see 5.50 GHz. Both Asrock and MSI already have BIOS updates for their z370 motherboards for new CPU support, so it looks like a good chance we can still use z370 motherboards.
 
I'm excited for that too, especially if we might see 5.50 GHz. Both Asrock and MSI already have BIOS updates for their z370 motherboards for new CPU support, so it looks like a good chance we can still use z370 motherboards.
Awesome!
Clock speed is good by means more heat management challenges for my SFF obsession. If I do run 8 cores for extended renderings, I might have to further undervolt / lower clocks...
 
Hello guys

I re-build my rig last week.

So the new revision includes:
Asus Strix Z370-I, i7-8086K, 2x16Gb GSkill 3200 14-14-14-34, R9 Nano, Samsung M.2 NVME, couple of 2.5' disks, Corsair SF600 power supply with handmade cables to save the space inside.
I have custom loop:
Magicool G2 240 rad with 2x slim 2000rpm fans on the bottom and XCPS 240 rad with 2x full size 1400rpm fans on the left side (4x120 sections in total), runs by EK D5 XRES 100 mounted on the back side of Ncase M1. CPU and GPU waterblocks from EK are used.
8086K was delidded, thermal interface replaced with liquid metal under lid, and thermal paste was applied on lid's top under waterblock. Liquid metal was applied between GPU chip and waterblock as well.

I've made some tests by running LinX, Prime95 and Furmark simultaneously for an hour to heat the system (ambient temp 28C):
1) front, top and side panels are in the place, additionally dust filters mounted on the right side and bottom panel
CPU 100C over 20 minutes, GPU 77C, liquid 63C
2) front, top and side panels are in the place, but there is no any dust filters
CPU 96C, GPU 71C, liquid 58C
3) all panels has been dismounted
CPU 92C, GPU 66C, liquid 53C

Frankly speaking those results are very far from my expectations. Even taking into account that 8086K was running on [email protected]@205Watts... 2x240 rads can take out 400-500W of heat but they don't do it.
Actually there is problem with air intake. I guess there is not enough air going through the radiators. And I don't understand why is temp of delidded CPU so high?

Another test by playing World of Tanks and archiving 2Tb *.zip simultaneously for 2 hours shows MAX temps 74C CPU, 57C GPU and 45C liquid.

I have to questions to you guys. What's your opinion on large gap between CPU and liquid temps?
And how do you keep CPU temp below 80C under stress load?
 
Hello guys

I re-build my rig last week.

So the new revision includes:
Asus Strix Z370-I, i7-8086K, 2x16Gb GSkill 3200 14-14-14-34, R9 Nano, Samsung M.2 NVME, couple of 2.5' disks, Corsair SF600 power supply with handmade cables to save the space inside.
I have custom loop:
Magicool G2 240 rad with 2x slim 2000rpm fans on the bottom and XCPS 240 rad with 2x full size 1400rpm fans on the left side (4x120 sections in total), runs by EK D5 XRES 100 mounted on the back side of Ncase M1. CPU and GPU waterblocks from EK are used.
8086K was delidded, thermal interface replaced with liquid metal under lid, and thermal paste was applied on lid's top under waterblock. Liquid metal was applied between GPU chip and waterblock as well.

I've made some tests by running LinX, Prime95 and Furmark simultaneously for an hour to heat the system (ambient temp 28C):
1) front, top and side panels are in the place, additionally dust filters mounted on the right side and bottom panel
CPU 100C over 20 minutes, GPU 77C, liquid 63C
2) front, top and side panels are in the place, but there is no any dust filters
CPU 96C, GPU 71C, liquid 58C
3) all panels has been dismounted
CPU 92C, GPU 66C, liquid 53C

Frankly speaking those results are very far from my expectations. Even taking into account that 8086K was running on [email protected]@205Watts... 2x240 rads can take out 400-500W of heat but they don't do it.
Actually there is problem with air intake. I guess there is not enough air going through the radiators. And I don't understand why is temp of delidded CPU so high?

Another test by playing World of Tanks and archiving 2Tb *.zip simultaneously for 2 hours shows MAX temps 74C CPU, 57C GPU and 45C liquid.

I have to questions to you guys. What's your opinion on large gap between CPU and liquid temps?
And how do you keep CPU temp below 80C under stress load?
Did you scrape off the excess silicone adhesive material connecting the die to the IHS?

If it was a Silicon Lottery delid chip, then they probably did it right no worries.

However, a lot of people who don't scape off some of the excess stock adhesive can see a gap between their liquid metal and IHS when resealing.

I've never delidded a chip myself so take that with a grain of salt. For further advice you can check out Gamers Nexus who has a lot of coverage on the topic of delidding.
 
Hello guys

I re-build my rig last week.

So the new revision includes:
Asus Strix Z370-I, i7-8086K, 2x16Gb GSkill 3200 14-14-14-34, R9 Nano, Samsung M.2 NVME, couple of 2.5' disks, Corsair SF600 power supply with handmade cables to save the space inside.
I have custom loop:
Magicool G2 240 rad with 2x slim 2000rpm fans on the bottom and XCPS 240 rad with 2x full size 1400rpm fans on the left side (4x120 sections in total), runs by EK D5 XRES 100 mounted on the back side of Ncase M1. CPU and GPU waterblocks from EK are used.
8086K was delidded, thermal interface replaced with liquid metal under lid, and thermal paste was applied on lid's top under waterblock. Liquid metal was applied between GPU chip and waterblock as well.

I've made some tests by running LinX, Prime95 and Furmark simultaneously for an hour to heat the system (ambient temp 28C):
1) front, top and side panels are in the place, additionally dust filters mounted on the right side and bottom panel
CPU 100C over 20 minutes, GPU 77C, liquid 63C
2) front, top and side panels are in the place, but there is no any dust filters
CPU 96C, GPU 71C, liquid 58C
3) all panels has been dismounted
CPU 92C, GPU 66C, liquid 53C

Frankly speaking those results are very far from my expectations. Even taking into account that 8086K was running on [email protected]@205Watts... 2x240 rads can take out 400-500W of heat but they don't do it.
Actually there is problem with air intake. I guess there is not enough air going through the radiators. And I don't understand why is temp of delidded CPU so high?

Another test by playing World of Tanks and archiving 2Tb *.zip simultaneously for 2 hours shows MAX temps 74C CPU, 57C GPU and 45C liquid.

I have to questions to you guys. What's your opinion on large gap between CPU and liquid temps?
And how do you keep CPU temp below 80C under stress load?

That's a nice upgrade from your original system!

Which version of Prime 95 are you using?
- versions after 26.6 are not useful in testing as the load far exceeds what is reasonable.

I haven't played with the 8086k so take my observations with a grain of salt. But, 5GHz @ 1.4v is very high for an 8086k. I would expect something more like 1.25v or even 1.3v as an absolute maximum for that clock speed.
 
That's a nice upgrade from your original system!

Which version of Prime 95 are you using?
- versions after 26.6 are not useful in testing as the load far exceeds what is reasonable.

I haven't played with the 8086k so take my observations with a grain of salt. But, 5GHz @ 1.4v is very high for an 8086k. I would expect something more like 1.25v or even 1.3v as an absolute maximum for that clock speed.

I agree with that, my 8700k will do 5.0 GHz at 1.302v. Something is definitely wrong with that setup though, your temps shouldn't be nearly that high.
 
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yeah they are right, that's high. need to spend more time tweaking voltage, fan and pump speeds. you did check your block seating right?
 
That's a nice upgrade from your original system!

Which version of Prime 95 are you using?
- versions after 26.6 are not useful in testing as the load far exceeds what is reasonable.

I haven't played with the 8086k so take my observations with a grain of salt. But, 5GHz @ 1.4v is very high for an 8086k. I would expect something more like 1.25v or even 1.3v as an absolute maximum for that clock speed.
I'm using v29.4, but also using Linx 0.7.0 and 0.9.1 and Furmark. I'm starting all together to load system extremely.
I agree with that, my 8700k will do 5.0 GHz at 1.302v. Something is definitely wrong with that setup though, your temps shouldn't be nearly that high.
The system apply Vcore dynamically up to 1.42v under stress load. For beginning I've tested in stock without any tweaks in BIOS. Only XMP profile was applied for the memory. And I was confused by temps.
yeah they are right, that's high. need to spend more time tweaking voltage, fan and pump speeds. you did check your block seating right?
Yes, I have to spent next weekend to try to find optimal tweaks for Vcore, VCCIO e.t.c. The block is seating right. May be IHS is not. But it's not my first time for dellid and water-cooling (and of course I scraped silicon glue from both textolit and lid). By my filling IHS was placed rather right.

Could you please advise your temps under stress loading on close configs - [email protected] in watercooled M1 with mounted panels? And delta T between liquid, CPU and GPU?
I'm thinking my deltas are not right and something going wrong...
 
Magicool G2 240 rad with 2x slim 2000rpm fans on the bottom and XCPS 240 rad with 2x full size 1400rpm fans on the left side (4x120 sections in total),

I've made some tests by running LinX, Prime95 and Furmark simultaneously for an hour to heat the system (ambient temp 28C):
1) front, top and side panels are in the place, additionally dust filters mounted on the right side and bottom panel
CPU 100C over 20 minutes, GPU 77C, liquid 63C
2) front, top and side panels are in the place, but there is no any dust filters
CPU 96C, GPU 71C, liquid 58C
3) all panels has been dismounted
CPU 92C, GPU 66C, liquid 53C

Frankly speaking those results are very far from my expectations. Even taking into account that 8086K was running on [email protected]@205Watts... 2x240 rads can take out 400-500W of heat but they don't do it.
Actually there is problem with air intake. I guess there is not enough air going through the radiators. And I don't understand why is temp of delidded CPU so high?

Another test by playing World of Tanks and archiving 2Tb *.zip simultaneously for 2 hours shows MAX temps 74C CPU, 57C GPU and 45C liquid.

Considering that:
- With the stock NCase feet and slim fans on the bottom rad, I would barely count it as a 120mm rad.
- 1.42V at load, probably during the whole stress test
- ambient temp of 28°C
- custom loop for CPU + GPU
I am not that much surprised by the temps you get during the benchs.

As you get decent temps with normal usage (game + compression), when you CPU is probably not always @1.42V, I would say the latter is probably the reason of so much heat.

Check the IHS and maybe look for air bubbles trapped in the loop...
 




Hi guys
So, I've done my weekend well. Both waterblocks have been double-checked, and even IHS has been taken off and revised. Everything was good from first time.
Now the system works without dust filters and with 8086K@[email protected]/LLC4 (adaptive mode, AVX offset 4800), memory GSkill 2x16 [email protected]/17-17-17-37-2T, R9 Nano HBM @1060/550.
After LinX+Furmark simultaneous stress load I have CPU 92C, GPU 64C, coolant 60C (ambient 30C).
And with normal load (game+compression) I have CPU 71C, GPU 60C, coolant 55C (ambient 27C).
My conclusion is that only airflow is our real problem (both intake and exhaust).

Can you advise alternative feets for M1?
 
Hi guys
So, I've done my weekend well. Both waterblocks have been double-checked, and even IHS has been taken off and revised. Everything was good from first time.
Now the system works without dust filters and with 8086K@[email protected]/LLC4 (adaptive mode, AVX offset 4800), memory GSkill 2x16 [email protected]/17-17-17-37-2T, R9 Nano HBM @1060/550.
After LinX+Furmark simultaneous stress load I have CPU 92C, GPU 64C, coolant 60C (ambient 30C).
And with normal load (game+compression) I have CPU 71C, GPU 60C, coolant 55C (ambient 27C).
My conclusion is that only airflow is our real problem (both intake and exhaust).

Can you advise alternative feets for M1?
find some stereo/case feet that you like and stick 'em on. put it on blocks(legos?) to make sure it will help before you order anything.
 
anybody with the u9s and window able to answer a quick question? the sleeving person wants to know if i'll be doing outside or inside facing PSU fan.

any reason to face it inside?

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anybody with the u9s and window able to answer a quick question? the sleeving person wants to know if i'll be doing outside or inside facing PSU fan.

any reason to face it inside?

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I would say no. If you have a Corsair PS its fan will rarely spin so it won't help with exhausting air out of the case. For the same reason not much dust will be drawn into the PS regardless of which way its facing. Anyone else?
 
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anybody with the u9s and window able to answer a quick question? the sleeving person wants to know if i'll be doing outside or inside facing PSU fan.

any reason to face it inside?

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Face it outside. As above. With the window I think it's cleaner to have it blank. I don't have a U9S, but D9L I do. same same.
 
i was thinking it looked cleaner too as well as allowing the cables to be farther from the psu (OCD). did you guys sleeve your own cables? im going with pslateCustoms
 
i was thinking it looked cleaner too as well as allowing the cables to be farther from the psu (OCD). did you guys sleeve your own cables? im going with pslateCustoms

A lot of people that had side intake fans were running the PSU inside for the fresh air, not having a window this becomes a null point. Like Qrash says the fan very rarely comes on and no real reason not to face it outwards.
 
A lot of people that had side intake fans were running the PSU inside for the fresh air, not having a window this becomes a null point. Like Qrash says the fan very rarely comes on and no real reason not to face it outwards.

if it doesnt hurt performance mainly aesthetic then (no fan to distract from the cables).

funny thing is i dont even have a psu yet, plat sf600 hasnt released yet. saw the gold version used for $80 and almost jumped on it
 
I'm going to do an overhaul in about a month (when wife is in NY for a week) where the main work will be the Accelero Xtreme III implementation on a 1080 FE.
Now I've got (really not that necessary) ideas of removing the AIO (Fractal Design Celcius S24) and replacing with an aircooler for the 8700 (non K) just to get better airflow in the case.

Thinking of either Noctua U9S or Noctua D9L - does anybody know which one is preferred in my build? What I've read, it's only the mounting that is different between the two?
 
I'm going to do an overhaul in about a month (when wife is in NY for a week) where the main work will be the Accelero Xtreme III implementation on a 1080 FE.
Now I've got (really not that necessary) ideas of removing the AIO (Fractal Design Celcius S24) and replacing with an aircooler for the 8700 (non K) just to get better airflow in the case.

Thinking of either Noctua U9S or Noctua D9L - does anybody know which one is preferred in my build? What I've read, it's only the mounting that is different between the two?

U9S has an extra heatpipe and is the stronger overall performer, by a few degrees. Not a whole lot. If price is similar for both, grab the U9S. Given you're running a non-k variant, you can just stick with the single fan on it as well. (From a D9L owner, who at one point also used the U9S)
 
The alleged i9 9900k is allegedly soldered, and allegedly has 8 cores and 16 threads at allegedly 5.5Ghz (likely single core boost allegedly) and allegedly will work on Z370.

Nothing is confirmed at this point.

Allegedly.

The new 8 core CPUs are supported by my Z370 ITX motherboard already, I have since 10th of July a BIOS update ( https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#BIOS ) applied, which officual supports the new 8 core CPUs. My motherboard VRM section also keeps at 60°C at 190 W CPU load, so the 9900k even with OC will be fine too. But of course it would be really great if the 9900k is already soldered, if not delid is always the next option.

I'm sure I will put a 9900k into my Ncase and OC to the limit, this will be fun, cooling will be never a problem. https://hardforum.com/threads/ncase...n-first-post.1717132/page-671#post-1043716354

Cheers
 
Thinking of either Noctua U9S or Noctua D9L - does anybody know which one is preferred in my build? What I've read, it's only the mounting that is different between the two?
The U9S is apparently slightly better, but there's really not much at all between the two: most reviews suggest that they perform fairly equally and certainly to within a couple of degrees C of each other. I'd just get whichever one is cheapest, personally - I have the U9S (with two fans) in my M1 but would happily have bought the D9L if needed.
 
The U9S is apparently slightly better, but there's really not much at all between the two: most reviews suggest that they perform fairly equally and certainly to within a couple of degrees C of each other. I'd just get whichever one is cheapest, personally - I have the U9S (with two fans) in my M1 but would happily have bought the D9L if needed.
Thanks. I just found a comparison/review between the two at https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/noctua-nh-d9l-and-nh-u9s-cpu-cooler-review,11.html
They think the U9S is slightly better.
 
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