31.5" 2560x1440 165 Hz VA G-Sync - LG 32GK850G

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Input lag will always be linked to framerate since by definition it's the difference in time from the input until you see it on the screen. However if you move your mouse 1 cm in the game it should always result in the same camera movement regardless of framerate. Higher FPS still helps since you will see more frames of the movement and adjust finer if needed. Jerky movement on the other hand is caused by FPS dips, and that can throw your brain off more than a higher but CONSTANT input lag... Steady 60 FPS is better than jerky 100 FPS for aiming but higher FPS, if your monitor can also display it, reduces input lag which also helps with accuracy...
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Even if you're getting a "constant" 60 fps there are still small fluctuations. It's impossible for the game to predict the exact amount of time it will take to render a frame and pace it exactly to your refresh rate. It's always off a little bit. So if you're fluctuating between 100 and 99 fps your next frame is off by 1% causing a slight stutter in the frame.
Most people are used to this so they don't notice. But gsync eliminates the stutter.
If you go back from gsync to unsynced you can feel it instantly and it feels disgusting.
 
NamelessPFG said:
I'm lining up for that FG2421 whenever you move on. Haven't found a display that truly justifies replacing mine at over twice the price yet, and dual matched monitors oughtta be interesting.

The only thing I could see myself stepping up to would be one of those NVIDIA BFGDs, but I also know they're gonna be heinously expensive.
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Why not go with LG 32GK850G?

I just got it 2 days ago and so far these are my findings:

Pro's:
- G-Sync
- the best uniformity ever seen on VA panel
- excellent response times, looks and feels much better at 120Hz (with "Faster" preset) without ULMB than Eizo Foris FG2421 with it's Turbo 240Hz strobed mode, but G-Sync definitely plays a role in making motion appear that much better
- low input lag for a VA panel
- excellent color accuracy for 5-90% grayscale IRE and primary & secondary 5-90% saturation scale, accurate colorchecker results
- nearly perfect power-law 2.2 gamma (using gamma preset 2)
- good contrast ratio - ~3000:1
- no backlight bleed
- LED stuff is neat

Con's:
- very inaccurate 90-100% grayscale IRE and 90-100% saturation (due to 100% grayscale IRE inaccuracy) with extreme calibration difficulty, but games rarely use those IRE and saturation levels***
- after software calibration (DisplayCAL ReShade 3DLUT), contrast ratio fell down to ~2500:1, which is more or less average for VA panels (FG2421 was at ~4300:1)
- semi matte cover could be glossier
- $$$

*** - these inaccuracies could be entirely due to my i1D3 colorimeter's limitation in accuracy, further profiling by i1Pro 2 is needed to make a more accurate conclusion




Of course the loss of contrast ratio is the greatest set-back, but G-Sync + clear motion, higher resolution, better viewing angles, size, lack of random unit restarts, and uniformity more than make up for it


Then again, my plan was to get this monitor, then save up and wait for for that Coffee Lake 8-core 5.5Ghz i9900K, GTX 1180/2080 (whatever naming) Ti version, and LG's 2018's 4K OLED (or 2019, depending on how well i9900K + GTX 1180/2080 Ti do @ 4K). Then I would have best of the 2 worlds, I think.
 
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So how is this for slower horror games like Doom 3?
On normal 60hz iiyama va I had, the grates on the floor were shimmering. Or the stars in skyrime were fading... and so was night sky in Witcher3.
This is the ONLY flat va gsync panel and it's the most tempting monitor there is nowadays when it comes to gsync. Shame I have a feeling 1440p is going to be obsolete soon...

and btw, How would 1080p ps4 look on it? very very bad? or just bad?
 
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Will check it out when I get home, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
 
MonarchX said:
Why not go with LG 32GK850G?

I just got it 2 days ago and so far these are my findings:

Pro's:
- G-Sync
- the best uniformity ever seen on VA panel
- excellent response times, looks and feels much better at 120Hz (with "Faster" preset) without ULMB than Eizo Foris FG2421 with it's Turbo 240Hz strobed mode, but G-Sync definitely plays a role in making motion appear that much better
- low input lag for a VA panel
- excellent color accuracy for 5-90% grayscale IRE and primary & secondary 5-90% saturation scale, accurate colorchecker results
- nearly perfect power-law 2.2 gamma (using gamma preset 2)
- good contrast ratio - ~3000:1
- no backlight bleed
- LED stuff is neat

Con's:
- very inaccurate 90-100% grayscale IRE and 90-100% saturation (due to 100% grayscale IRE inaccuracy) with extreme calibration difficulty, but games rarely use those IRE and saturation levels***
- after software calibration (DisplayCAL ReShade 3DLUT), contrast ratio fell down to ~2500:1, which is more or less average for VA panels (FG2421 was at ~4300:1)
- semi matte cover could be glossier
- $$$

*** - these inaccuracies could be entirely due to my i1D3 colorimeter's limitation in accuracy, further profiling by i1Pro 2 is needed to make a more accurate conclusion

Of course the loss of contrast ratio is the greatest set-back, but G-Sync + clear motion, higher resolution, better viewing angles, size, lack of random unit restarts, and uniformity more than make up for it

Then again, my plan was to get this monitor, then save up and wait for for that Coffee Lake 8-core 5.5Ghz i9900K, GTX 1180/2080 (whatever naming) Ti version, and LG's 2018's 4K OLED (or 2019, depending on how well i9900K + GTX 1180/2080 Ti do @ 4K). Then I would have best of the 2 worlds, I think.
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Well, after your list, I'm starting to reconsider for sure, though one can get a pair of FG2421s for less than one of these LG monitors. That's the irksome point for me; I thought these sorta monitors would be less expensive by now!

It's also good that you mention your i1Display Pro/i1D3 findings, as I also own one. The i1Pro spectrophotometer's too rich for my blood, though.

IdiotInCharge said:
It will be obsoleted by VR... eventually.
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I await that day, especially for the sake of things like DCS that benefit as much from resolution as VR immersion and head-tracking, but it feels like a long way out if GPU releases continue to stagnate.

Never mind that manufacturing small, fast, ludicrous-DPI displays is difficult, having the GPU to drive high resolutions in stereo 3D at high refresh rates without framedrops is a tall order.

It singlehandedly turns my GTX 980 from "plenty of GPU" to "barely adequate" since I haven't fully figured out the random framedrops I get sometimes.
 
Huge vote for this LG, After getting it "calibrated" to my eyes I'm very happy with it. this coming from a LG 27UD68 (27" 4K IPS) I won't go back. It's a great compromise between Gaming and general use. I don't edit photos or videos so the RGB accuracy does not bother me, even though it's quite good for a VA. At this point I view G-Sync or Freesync like moving from a spinning HDD to an SSD, real hard to go back.
 
Whoever asked about the pixels disappearing on this panel (can't find the post...) - it's true but you would have to sit exceedingly close to the monitor for it to have an actual impact and if something like that bothers you - I suggest not getting a display (at all) because each and every model of every display out there has variety of issues, pro's and con's.


Here's the ArgyllCMS + DisplayCAL ReShade 3DLUT calibration result (HCFR .CHC file for the latest version of HCFR) -

Manual calibration adjustments for the best accuracy on my unit differ from the ones TFTCentral reports, therefore, just like for any other unit of any other display model, you need to perform your own calibration with a probe.
 
MonarchX said:
Whoever asked about the pixels disappearing on this panel (can't find the post...) - it's true but you would have to sit exceedingly close to the monitor for it to have an actual impact and if something like that bothers you - I suggest not getting a display (at all) because each and every model of every display out there has variety of issues, pro's and con's.


Here's the ArgyllCMS + DisplayCAL ReShade 3DLUT calibration result (HCFR .CHC file for the latest version of HCFR) -

Manual calibration adjustments for the best accuracy on my unit differ from the ones TFTCentral reports, therefore, just like for any other unit of any other display model, you need to perform your own calibration with a probe.
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I would be curious to know the build date and revision of your monitor.
 
zpackrat said:
Huge vote for this LG, After getting it "calibrated" to my eyes I'm very happy with it. this coming from a LG 27UD68 (27" 4K IPS) I won't go back. It's a great compromise between Gaming and general use. I don't edit photos or videos so the RGB accuracy does not bother me, even though it's quite good for a VA. At this point I view G-Sync or Freesync like moving from a spinning HDD to an SSD, real hard to go back.
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You're coming from 60Hz, so you should thank the refresh rate for this dramatic effect, not g-sync.
 
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Lepardi said:
You're coming from 60Hz, so you should thank the refresh rate for this dramatic effect, not g-sync.
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You should check your assumptions about others- whether or not VRR makes a difference- or a large difference- will depend on how sensitive the user is to tearing and/or stuttering. Yes, high framerates are nice and something that I wouldn't want to go without, but so is VRR.
 
I just pulled the trigger on one of these from Amazon. I'm coming from a PG279Q. I'm tired of the glow with IPS so looking forward to the blacks with this VA panel. I think 1440p at 32-inch is really a good match. How are current owners still liking theirs? Mine arrives on Tuesday.

My PG279Q just went for sale on Ebay.
 
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You're coming from 60Hz, so you should thank the refresh rate for this dramatic effect, not g-sync.
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good god man, I've been doing this PC thing for quite some time, so I understand the difference between the 2, and am perfectly happy with my purchase. I get a much smoother experience and no tearing.
 
zpackrat said:
I would be curious to know the build date and revision of your monitor.
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Where do I find that info and what prompts the inquiry? The calibration result or the side outermost pixel column disappearing at close range and certain angle? I don't think it's a defect, BTW, it's just panel, bezel, coating location.
 
MonarchX said:
Where do I find that info and what prompts the inquiry? The calibration result or the side outermost pixel column disappearing at close range and certain angle? I don't think it's a defect, BTW, it's just panel, bezel, coating location.
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should be on the sticker on the back, and yes calibration information is what I was after. And viewing distance plays a big part in loosing the edge on these too.
 
zpackrat said:
should be on the sticker on the back, and yes calibration information is what I was after. And viewing distance plays a big part in loosing the edge on these too.
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I will look for it then, but I hope you understand that 3DLUT's can only be applied via ReShade to D3D9, OpenGL, D3D10, and D3D11 games and to video playback via madVR. ReShade does not support Vulkan (yet) and is unlikely to support D3D12 in the future. The 1DLUT or ICC profile is not going to be as accurate and in games only the grayscale "vcgt" portion of the ICC profiles can be applied via Borderless Mode (mostly). However, it will still be accurate with a few exceptions.
 
Another happy LG 32GK850G owner here. Had my monitor for about a week and love it. I came from a Asus PG279Q and have tried MANY different monitors over the last few years, including ultrawide, 4K monitors and high end TV's. Here's my thoughts on pros/cons

Pros:
- SIZE! 32-Inches is just great. Nice upgrade coming from a 27-inch monitor
- Color uniformity is great. I tried the gray uniformity test on rtings.com and this monitor is actually better than my 55-inch Sony TV (also VA panel)
- VA panels are known not to have quite as good colors as IPS panels. After calibration using settings and ICC profile from
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ colors are FANTASTIC. I have it sitting right next to a Dell IPS display and it looks great.
- G-Sync is a must have for me
- 1440p resolution - I actually PREFER this to 4K. I'll be waiting for another GPU generation or two before I try 4K again. Maybe by then there will be
some 40-43" 4k @ 120hz G-sync panels out there.
- RGB lighting is pretty cool
- OSD controls on the bottom of the monitor are easy to use.
- Small bezels make the monitor look BIG. I had the Acer XB321HK, also 32" but with bigger bezels. The LG 850G feels bigger.
- Can go up to 165hz but I don't care. I run mine at 120hz
- NO stupid gamer styling. Looks like a professional monitor.

Cons:
- ONLY a one-year warranty. This is below industry standard. My ASUS montior for example had a 3 year warranty. This gave me concern and I
don't trust LG very much given the issues I've had with my LG refrigerator. That being said, I decided to chance it since I have extended warranty
coverage through my credit card.
- There is some minor color shifting toward the edge of the screen if you sit to close to it. This is noticeable especially with a solid color background.
- More color shifting at off angles. If you don't sit directly in front of your monitor (why wouldn't you?) then you will notice some color shift. Common
VA panel issue so no surprise here.
- OSD bug. There is currently a bug with this display where the OSD pops up for about 10 seconds randomly. I use my monitor for around
11 hours a day and I've seen this once each day. Many users on the forums have reported this. I won't hold my breath for LG to fix it since the
manufactures tend to ignore and deny issues with PC monitors for some reason.
 
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Another CON is that it takes a press and a flick of the menu button to turn the monitor off.
I also don't like having the power brick. I'm used to monitors with a single power cable. Until I have to fix or replace the power supply anyway.

I'm digging deep for these cons folks.
 
Fuzzy_3D said:
Another CON is that it takes a press and a flick of the menu button to turn the monitor off.
I also don't like having the power brick. I'm used to monitors with a single power cable. Until I have to fix or replace the power supply anyway.

I'm digging deep for these cons folks.
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I also bought one of these. Returned the first one after a week because of dead pixels and dust. Testing the second.
 
Slickwilly said:
- OSD bug. There is currently a bug with this display where the OSD pops up for about 10 seconds randomly. I use my monitor for around
11 hours a day and I've seen this once each day. Many users on the forums have reported this. I won't hold my breath for LG to fix it since the
manufactures tend to ignore and deny issues with PC monitors for some reason.
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This would really annoy me, i would imagine. Is this a common problem that cannot be fixed by fw upgrade or video cable replacement? It would be a shame if i would have to return the monitor just because of this.

Fuzzy_3D said:
Another CON is that it takes a press and a flick of the menu button to turn the monitor off.
I also don't like having the power brick. I'm used to monitors with a single power cable. Until I have to fix or replace the power supply anyway.

I'm digging deep for these cons folks.
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Another con i've read about is that the back led color wheel doesn't turn off when your monitor goes to standby, you have to turn it off manually. Is this true?
 
DG25 said:
This would really annoy me, i would imagine. Is this a common problem that cannot be fixed by fw upgrade or video cable replacement? It would be a shame if i would have to return the monitor just because of this.


Another con i've read about is that the back led color wheel doesn't turn off when your monitor goes to standby, you have to turn it off manually. Is this true?
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That's true, rgb lights work independently. You have to turn on/off the lights manually, just like a lamp.

Regarding the OSD issue, never had that problem. I do get a message when screen gets out of standby, though, but I think that´s normal.

Also, what kind of settings are you using regarding gamma and RGB?
 
narciso said:
Regarding the OSD issue, never had that problem. I do get a message when screen gets out of standby, though, but I think that´s normal.
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I have an April 2018 build so I'm guessing the OSD bug affects all monitors in production right now. It appears that the monitor has to be on for many hours before the OSD pops up. I WFH and use my monitor for many hours straight during the day so that's probably why I've seen it. I've never seen it pop up in a game yet, just only while sitting idle on the windows desktop. Honestly it doesn't annoy me that much. I had the XB321HK and that had an artifact glitch. THAT annoyed the hell out of me enough that I demanded a refund from Acer.

The OSD bug could probably easily be fixed with a FW update. I'll be surprised if LG does anything though.
 
I have had my monitor for about 3 weeks and yes the OSD does pop up during random times. I play dota mainly and it pops up. It doesn't really affect me that much. Annoying? Yes critical no!.
 
sderden said:
I have had my monitor for about 3 weeks and yes the OSD does pop up during random times. I play dota mainly and it pops up. It doesn't really affect me that much. Annoying? Yes critical no!.
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I get it about once a day. If you're a perfectionist or have OCD over it, that sucks, especially at this price.

But I've been waiting a decade for a monitor upgrade, so it's a minor distraction over how good this screen is otherwise. (y)

And if it lasts me as long as my previous display, I'll be smitten, though I kind of doubt it will.
 
I get the OSD popup too. It's about once every 8 hours if I had to average it. See it at least once a day on the weekends, can go a few days without seeing it on the work days. I'm normally a pretty anal perfectionist but this actually doesn't bother me (I don't play online or MMO games or anything).
 
Each week or two I come to this thread and look at the monitor tempted to buy it.
-Then I remember it's too big
-1440p (so 1080p pixelart games and ps4 1080p games will look bad
-only 120hz effectively (I used 240hz and it was nice)
-and most importantly the price is still too huge.
Also, nobody answered me -is there shimmering in fine details on gray areas in games like there normally is on va screens?
 
HiCZoK said:
Each week or two I come to this thread and look at the monitor tempted to buy it.
-Then I remember it's too big
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It's a 32" monitor. It's 32 inches. It's really only 31.5" so it's actually too small.

HiCZoK said:
-1440p (so 1080p pixelart games and ps4 1080p games will look bad
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It's 1440p. Are you looking for 1440p or not?

HiCZoK said:
-only 120hz effectively (I used 240hz and it was nice)
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144 overclockable to 165 mate.

HiCZoK said:
-and most importantly the price is still too huge.
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It's on SALE bru.

What are you doing in here looking for a 27" 1080p 240hz "shimmering in fine details on gray areas in games like there normally is on va screens" $500 monitor?
 
HiCZoK said:
Each week or two I come to this thread and look at the monitor tempted to buy it.
-Then I remember it's too big
-1440p (so 1080p pixelart games and ps4 1080p games will look bad
-only 120hz effectively (I used 240hz and it was nice)
-and most importantly the price is still too huge.
Also, nobody answered me -is there shimmering in fine details on gray areas in games like there normally is on va screens?
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tftcentrals 120hz recommendation didn't take into account the better overdrive with G-sync enabled. To be honest I didn't see any difference, the trails were same at 120Hz, but I noticed the drop in refresh rate.

I noticed in PUBG the grass will change color intensity a bit in certain situations in motion if you look for it, so the element of being VA is there. And it also has the scanlines which put me off. If I can't win the 1440p IPS lottery I might go back to the 32GK850G and suck up the vertical scanlines, because looking at scanlines is still better than looking at 60Hz.
 
I just picked up one of these this week on sale coming from a 27in Dell IPS that I've had about 5 years. So far I really like it - the extra size is great for general use, and I had no idea what a huge improvement moving to 144hz would be from an older 60hz. The colors and text sharpness aren't as good as my IPS display (to be expected), but with a few tweaks I'm very happy with it for a gaming-focused monitor. Looking forward to getting my 1080 in this weekend to check out Gsync and have something that can really push some frames.
 
Missed the $620 newegg sale. That was tempting. VA blacklevels of 2k - 3k :1 insead of 860 - 980:1 of tn and ips.. and the size increase from 27" 1440p g-sync 120hz - 144hz would hold me over until mid 2019+ when hdmi 2.1 , 120hz + VRR, low input lag , HDR 4k LG OLEDs should be out. I'll probably just end up waiting it out but if these go on sale for ~ $600 or less I'd be tempted to bite and wait out the OLEDs longer. Considering the roadmaps, I wouldn't bite on the $2000+ 27" 4k FALD g-sync HDR ones, and by the time the 32" (21:9 diagonal) FALD HDR ones are out , hdmi 2.1 displays should be imminent. Idk how much I could get for my pg278Q rog swift but that could offset the price of one of these LG 32GK850G. at least a bit.
 
elvn said:
Missed the $620 newegg sale. That was tempting. VA blacklevels of 2k - 3k :1 insead of 860 - 980:1 of tn and ips.. and the size increase from 27" 1440p g-sync 120hz - 144hz would hold me over until mid 2019+ when hdmi 2.1 , 120hz + VRR, low input lag , HDR 4k LG OLEDs should be out. I'll probably just end up waiting it out but if these go on sale for ~ $600 or less I'd be tempted to bite and wait out the OLEDs longer. Considering the roadmaps, I wouldn't bite on the $2000+ 27" 4k FALD g-sync HDR ones, and by the time the 32" (21:9 diagonal) FALD HDR ones are out , hdmi 2.1 displays should be imminent. Idk how much I could get for my pg278Q rog swift but that could offset the price of one of these LG 32GK850G. at least a bit.
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hdmi 2.1 , 120hz + VRR, low input lag , HDR 4k LG OLED monitors or TVs?
 
I am getting horizontal artifacts that appear as horizontal scan lines that appear occasionally for a fraction of a second. This occurs when I overclock the monitor to 165Hz. Has anyone noticed this? Should I RMA?
 
Lepardi said:
TV's.

Only known OLED gaming monitors currently are coming from JOLED. https://www.oled-info.com/joled-dev...laboration-japanese-professional-e-sport-team
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Well, this is some interesting news right here, though everything about it sounds like this is gonna make all the 1440p 144+ Hz G-SYNC monitors on the market look like budget products by comparison, like those weren't wallet-demolishing enough.

If they can line up a contract with NEC or Eizo, though, this is gonna be good. At least with those two, you're generally not expecting budget crap anyway.
 
The OSD bug on the LG is a joke and a deal breaker. Anyone who pays $700+ for a monitor whose OSD randomly pop ups is a SUCKER. Come on dudes. That's fucking defective. Don't support that shit. Geezus LG blows.
 
Nvidia_ATI said:
I am getting horizontal artifacts that appear as horizontal scan lines that appear occasionally for a fraction of a second. This occurs when I overclock the monitor to 165Hz. Has anyone noticed this? Should I RMA?
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Horizontal? That's new, this model is known for vertical scanlines. But if you really get horizontal, you're going to trade them for vertical scanlines. If you think vertical is better than horizontal, I guess it's worth RMA lol.
 
bigbluefe said:
The OSD bug on the LG is a joke and a deal breaker. Anyone who pays $700+ for a monitor whose OSD randomly pop ups is a SUCKER. Come on dudes. That's fucking defective. Don't support that shit. Geezus LG blows.
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So far I haven't had any issues in ~30 hours of use, including a number of really long gaming sessions. Overall I'm happy with the monitor and think that at the sale price it's a pretty solid buy.
 
Compddd said:
hdmi 2.1 , 120hz + VRR, low input lag , HDR 4k LG OLED monitors or TVs?
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TVs.. I'd glady change my pc area around to sit the desk back further from a 55" "TV" with those specs for gaming.. essentially "shrinking it". Size is a matter of distance/perspective. I'm thinking it will be mid 2019 or later for those and I'd have to get hdmi 2.1 capable gpu(s) to utilize it so for now I 've ordered one of these LG 32GK850G from the $600 newegg sale. Hopefully I can get a few bills back by selling my pg278Q to take some of the sting out of the cost. Going to try locally first once I receive and test out the 32GK850G.
 
elvn said:
TVs.. I'd glady change my pc area around to sit the desk back further from a 55" "TV" with those specs for gaming.. essentially "shrinking it". Size is a matter of distance/perspective. I'm thinking it will be mid 2019 or later for those and I'd have to get hdmi 2.1 capable gpu(s) to utilize it so for now I 've ordered one of these LG 32GK850G from the $600 newegg sale. Hopefully I can get a few bills back by selling my pg278Q to take some of the sting out of the cost. Going to try locally first once I receive and test out the 32GK850G.
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I'm almost positive that Nvidia is going to do everything possible to fuck over HDMI 2.1. All HDMI 2.1 represents to Nvidia is a loss of G-Sync module sales. On top of that, they have those stupid BFG TVs coming out.

There is no way in fuck that Nvidia, a company known for being evil cocksuckers, is going to support HDMI 2.1. Guarantee you that the 1180 cards ship without HDMI 2.1 support. Anyone want to bet?

The only option for a 4k 120hz screen that isn't sized for ANTS is going to be some 31.5" variant of the monitors we got this year that will come out next year.

You'll have to go AMD (which will be far too slow and underpowered to run anything fast enough) for HDMI 2.1 4k 120hz.

This industry FUCKING SUCKS.
 
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