Intel's desktop marketshare in Mindfactory.de

Interesting how low Skylake-X and Threadripper sales are compared to the other platforms.
 
AMD is doing good.

Also in laptops where AMD is loosing marketshare to Intel?

But this thread is about desktop and about how Intel is selling very well even in mindfactory.de store. CoffeeLake is selling more than Ryzen (Including Pinacle Ridge) and Skylake-X is selling as well as ThreadRipper.
 
Just remember that all the industry professionals think that Intel 28 core was a complete failure, and that it could never be a retail product on Intel's current process. Intel required over 1000w and industrial refrigeration to beat AMD's 32 core running on an air cooler.


Those "industry professionals" that had to ask if 5GHz was an overclock, because they know nothing about technology? The same professionals that don't understand why Intel used a watter chiller during the demo?

It will be funny to revisit this issue next year when both chips are released and we have sales data at hand.
 
It's a German site that I don't think I've ever heard of and if I have they weren't relevant enough to remember so yes it's obscure on a US based/centric site.

Mindfactory sales reports are discussed/mentioned in hundred of forums and news sites overall in the Internet. Mindfactory sales reports are also discussed/mentioned here in hardforum, even in the news section

https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-s...-decade-at-germanys-largest-e-tailer.1943087/

So, it is funny that you continue accusing me of using an "obscure" and "cherry picked" store...
 
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>Ignore when AMD out-sold Intel on Amazon, because Amazon is now a pro AMD country, ITT

Intel has been consistently owning the top positions in Amazon best-selling list. I just checked now and CoffeeLake continues owning the top-three.

Don't worry juan, at least daddies' new 28 core ES will warm your favela.

So you believe that Amazon is a country, and now you believe there are "favelas" in my country. ROFL
 
Interesting how low Skylake-X and Threadripper sales are compared to the other platforms.

Yes, they are halo products with very small volume sales. Note that the percentage in the graph is using desktop sales as baseline. When adding mobile, the percentage of sales corresponding to HEDT is much more small, because HEDT is a niche market of a niche market.

The forthcoming 28C/32C from both companies will represent even a tinier percentage of total x86 sales.
 
Those "industry professionals" that had to ask if 5GHz was an overclock, because they know nothing about technology? The same professionals that don't understand why Intel used a watter chiller during the demo?

It will be funny to revisit this issue next year when both chips are released and we have sales data at hand.

Funny that Intel didn't mention the overclock, and only made sure to 'correct' that fact AFTER all the main consumer press published their articles about the supposed '5GHz 28 core Intel chip releasing soon'


But let me guess, Intel had ALWAYS planned on showing off this processor, and it was years in production, and AMD's threadripper success had NOTHING AT ALL to do with this obviously rushed and non-real showing?

Because saying that would admit that Intel is reacting to AMD, which would mean they are at the verry least concerned that AMD can (and in many markets already has, but you'll never admit that) take market share from them.

Also, are you proud that a company with LITERALLY less than 10% of your employer's R&D budget is standing toe-to-toe in sales data in HEDT markets? You spin it to say "Skylake X is selling just as well as threadripper" when really, a 50/50 split on sales means Intel is LOSING market.

Spin that up and polish that news some more.

 
But let me guess, Intel had ALWAYS planned on showing off this processor, and it was years in production, and AMD's threadripper success had NOTHING AT ALL to do with this obviously rushed and non-real showing?

Come on now, let's be fair. That was a real $10k Xeon in an enterprise class board with 64 phase VRM(IIRC) and a 1KW+ A/C keeping the W/C loop nice and cool(i.e. sub-ambient).
 
Funny that Intel didn't mention the overclock, and only made sure to 'correct' that fact AFTER all the main consumer press published their articles about the supposed '5GHz 28 core Intel chip releasing soon'

Those "industry professionals" that you mention would know that 5GHz on 28 cores was an overclock, so Intel wouldn't have any need to confirm them that it was an overclock. Anyone with elementary understanding of CPU and foundry tech knew it was an overclock before Intel confirmed it. I knew it was an overclock, and not only because the base clock of 2.7GHz was displayed during the demo:

No way 5GHz will be a base clock.

Base clock seems to be 2.7GHz. All core turbo could be 3.2--3.4GHz.

I will say once again that 5GHz is an overclock that Intel is promising, so 5GHz is likely to be max single-core (dual-core?) boost for the chip on stock settings.

There is an obvious double standard in part of the tech press. I saw several of those "industry professionals" complaining about how Intel "forgot" to mention them something so obvious as 5GHz on 28 cores was an overclock. Still no one of those "industry professionals" wrote a single bit about how AMD and Glofo mislead users and the press about Zen+ and 12LP.

Zen+ and 12LP are rebrands of existing tech. The confirmation that Zen+ cores are identical to Zen cores in EPYC, ThreadRipper, and Raven Ridge came soon. The confirmation that 12LP node is not an optical shrink of 14LPP came only a pair of weeks ago, when wikichip confirmed that there is no shrink


But let me guess, Intel had ALWAYS planned on showing off this processor, and it was years in production, and AMD's threadripper success had NOTHING AT ALL to do with this obviously rushed and non-real showing?

28C Intel is a response to 32C AMD, which is a response to 18C Intel, which was a response to 16C AMD, which was an response to the initial SKL-X line. I don't know how many times I wrote about the origin of the Threadripper line (derived from a failed 8/12/16 core workstation platform: SP4 socket) and Intel response to it.

Also, are you proud that a company with LITERALLY less than 10% of your employer's R&D budget is standing toe-to-toe in sales data in HEDT markets? You spin it to say "Skylake X is selling just as well as threadripper" when really, a 50/50 split on sales means Intel is LOSING market.

If you compare R&D budget, keep in mind that Intel is also a foundry... So at least add Glofo budget to the AMD side of the equation. You continue pretending it is 50/50 split worldwide, but it is not. It is 50/50 only in this store. Quoting myself:

Yes, ThreadRipper is selling so well as Skylake-X in that store. But this is a pro-AMD store on a pro-AMD country, so Skylake-X sales have much more merit.
 
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And yet they are extremely proud of the things they make.

Which is why the AMD market-share would be higher than almost any other country.

GERMANS BUY CARS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, but they still prefer their own. As long as AMD is making decent chips, (essentially everything except Pehenom 1 and Bulldozer). the makers will buy it.

I fail to see how the heck you are putting A + B together here.

Germans are extremely proud of the things they make... -> yeah, like everybody fucking else. Moreover, their car industry is one of the best in the world, so what is not to like?

But that doesn't make AMD have higher market share in Germany than in the rest of the world because AMD is a german brand.

You will have to prove that:

a) AMD has, indeed, higher market share in Germany than in the rest of the world
b) That said higher market share is due to German patriotism.
 
You will have to prove that:

a) AMD has, indeed, higher market share in Germany than in the rest of the world
b) That said higher market share is due to German patriotism.

The numbers reported by mindfactory.de doesn't reflect worldwide numbers. AMD grow about 3% in the desktop overall and got about 13% marketshare, whereas in that German store sales of AMD desktop units grow by about 2x to get 56% share.

I don't think it has something to do with patriotism, but more with economic/social reasons, including gratitude towards the brand gives jobs to you and your family.
 
good for amd.

look at that, hit a few home runs and send intel flailing trying to release things that are pipe dreams. a 5ghz xeon with a chiller to boot.

great job AMD.

can't wait to see what the future of amd gpus holds.
 
The numbers reported by mindfactory.de doesn't reflect worldwide numbers. AMD grow about 3% in the desktop overall and got about 13% marketshare, whereas in that German store sales of AMD desktop units grow by about 2x to get 56% share.

I don't think it has something to do with patriotism, but more with economic/social reasons, including gratitude towards the brand gives jobs to you and your family.

You are missing the big picture, as usual.

Your average Joe doesn't buy the individual components for their pc, they buy a whole, mounted unit. Also, you need only to check the amount of 8700K in regards of % of total Intel units to see that this data can't be extrapolated to the whole market. I'm sure that if you were to see Intel number's themselves the 8700K would amount AT MOST to 5% of their total desktop sales, whereas on mindfactory you have more than 20%.

And how many employees does AMD have in Germany?

People aren't stupid, they buy whatever they fit their needs better. People buying AMD has nothing to do with being biased towards or against one or the other. Heck I have bought Intel for the past decade and might very well get Ryzen sooner rather than later. Intel has been dropping the ball in several scenarios and I'm getting tired of them.
 
Your average Joe doesn't buy the individual components for their pc, they buy a whole, mounted unit. Also, you need only to check the amount of 8700K in regards of % of total Intel units to see that this data can't be extrapolated to the whole market. I'm sure that if you were to see Intel number's themselves the 8700K would amount AT MOST to 5% of their total desktop sales, whereas on mindfactory you have more than 20%.

I know all that. My point was about Intel:AMD ratios, not about performance:mainstream chip ratios.


And how many employees does AMD have in Germany?

It is not only about direct employees, but as well about the jobs generated around those.

People aren't stupid, they buy whatever they fit their needs better. People buying AMD has nothing to do with being biased towards or against one or the other. Heck I have bought Intel for the past decade and might very well get Ryzen sooner rather than later. Intel has been dropping the ball in several scenarios and I'm getting tired of them.

No one here said that people purchasing AMD, in general, are biased towards the brand. What has been said is that Mindfactory.de is a pro-AMD store in a pro-AMD country. Don't mix a comment about a small part of the whole with a comment about the whole.

About the comment made about the store and the country, I guess you never heard the term "brand loyalty".

I agree people aren't stupid. That is the reason why I find amusing all those effort in part of tech media and part of forums to hype AMD products. The hype is not reflected in sales. E.g. despite all the massive campaings against Skylake-X it is selling very well even at mindfactory.de
 
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I know all that. My point was about Intel:AMD ratios, not about performance:mainstream chip ratios.




It is not only about direct employees, but as well about the jobs generated around those.



No one here said that people purchasing AMD, in general, are biased towards the brand. What has been said is that Mindfactory.de is a pro-AMD store in a pro-AMD country. Don't mix a comment about a small part of the whole with a comment about the whole.

brother you can keep regurgitating this nonsense a thousand times over, that still does not make it true. literally no one over here gives a single fuck that AMD operates two fabs in eastern germany, in fact i'd wager that 99% of germans don't even know that this is the case at all. besides, this is not how german patriotism works - AMD is not a traditionally german company so there is absolutely zero loyalty towards it. they may be well liked in the city of dresden but that's it. that's like saying us germans are pro-ford because there is a single huge factoy in cologne. ford created around 60k jobs in germany, but i can assure you - no one cares. amd created, what, 3k? that's nothing and it shows. again, even the notion that germany is somehow pro-amd because a few chips are made in our far eastern parts is ridiculous.
 
brother you can keep regurgitating this nonsense a thousand times over, that still does not make it true. literally no one over here gives a single fuck that AMD operates two fabs in eastern germany, in fact i'd wager that 99% of germans don't even know that this is the case at all. besides, this is not how german patriotism works - AMD is not a traditionally german company so there is absolutely zero loyalty towards it. they may be well liked in the city of dresden but that's it. that's like saying us germans are pro-ford because there is a single huge factoy in cologne. ford created around 60k jobs in germany, but i can assure you - no one cares. amd created, what, 3k? that's nothing and it shows. again, even the notion that germany is somehow pro-amd because a few chips are made in our far eastern parts is ridiculous.

If you say so...

Top three best seller CPUs in Amazon stores:

STORE --> #1 #2 #3
COM --> Intel Intel Intel
UK --> Intel Intel Intel
ES --> Intel Intel Intel
FR --> Intel Intel Intel
IT --> Intel Intel Intel
DE --> Intel AMD AMD

But there is more. when considering the top ten bestsellers, only the Germany list has six CPUs from AMD. This doesn't happen in the other stores, where Intel owns the mayority of the top ten. In fact the France store has only CPUs from Intel in the top ten. This means AMD is selling a lot more on Amazon Germany that in other stores. But all of us know that Germany is pro-AMD. Note that not only AMD is selling more on Germany, but Amazon Germany is the only store where the ancient "diffused in Germany" Piledriver is #2 in sales, outpacing even to Ryzen.

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So the point in the OP remains, Intel sales are outpacing AMD even in a pro-AMD store as mindfactory.de
 
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And guys, just because you make the FX line doesn't mean you don't also buy Ryzen. It's not a single BRAND, it's an entire industry of German Cars.

Not everyone can work in a a Porche/BMW factory, but everyone who works in the German Auto Industry wants to own one.

AMD's processors are now made world-wide, but for a long time they were mostly made in Germany.
 
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And guys, just because you make the FX line doesn't mean you don't also buy Ryzen. It's not a single BRAND, it's an entire industry of German Cars.

Not everyone can work in a a Porche/BMW factory, but everyone who works in the German Auto Industry wants to own one.

AMD's processors are now made world-wide, but for a long time they were mostly made in Germany.

That's also not true, AMD completed fab 30 in Dresden in 1999, with production in 2000, fab 36 opened in 2006. They spun them off a couple years later in 2009. GF has owned them as long as AMD did at this point.

For the first 30 years of business, AMD operated fabs in Austin, so based on this completely nonesense logic, AMD sales in Texas should be through the roof.

Hmm.... Kyle's in Texas, guess he's part of the fan/fanatic circle jerk too.
 
If you say so...

Top three best seller CPUs in Amazon stores:

STORE --> #1 #2 #3
COM --> Intel Intel Intel
UK --> Intel Intel Intel
ES --> Intel Intel Intel
FR --> Intel Intel Intel
IT --> Intel Intel Intel
DE --> Intel AMD AMD

But there is more. when considering the top ten bestsellers, only the Germany list has six CPUs from AMD. This doesn't happen in the other stores, where Intel owns the mayority of the top ten. In fact the France store has only CPUs from Intel in the top ten. This means AMD is selling a lot more on Amazon Germany that in other stores. But all of us know that Germany is pro-AMD. Note that not only AMD is selling more on Germany, but Amazon Germany is the only store where the ancient "diffused in Germany" Piledriver is #2 in sales, outpacing even to Ryzen.

<snip>

So the point in the OP remains, Intel sales are outpacing AMD even in a pro-AMD store as mindfactory.de

ok, i checked.

amazon.co.uk bestsellers: the top 6 cpus are 3/3 intel/amd: 8700k, 8400, 1600x, FX 8350, 2600, 8600k. so your list is wrong. also there are 5 amd cpus in the top ten.

in spain there are 4. i stopped there.

it's interesting, sure, but nowhere near as dramatic. and the point still stands. infering any kind of brand loyalty or labeling a whole country as "pro-amd" based on the data provided is false. you are wrong, end of story.

edit: in fact, i checked some more. there are tons of data points concerning tech companies and their attractiveness towards young graduates in germany. intel is regularly in the top 40. amd is nowhere to be seen. in one recent survey from 2018 intel ranked #38 for engineers, amd didn't even make the top 100.
 
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That's also not true, AMD completed fab 30 in Dresden in 1999, with production in 2000, fab 36 opened in 2006. They spun them off a couple years later in 2009. GF has owned them as long as AMD did at this point.

Who has been the main customer of GF?

For the first 30 years of business, AMD operated fabs in Austin, so based on this completely nonesense logic, AMD sales in Texas should be through the roof.

You can dislike the logic, but the data shows that AMD is selling more in Germany than in other countries.
 
ok, i checked.

amazon.co.uk bestsellers: the top 6 cpus are 3/3 intel/amd: 8700k, 8400, 1600x, FX 8350, 2600, 8600k. so your list is wrong. also there are 5 amd cpus in the top ten.

in spain there are 4. i stopped there.

No, my list is not wrong. I took a photo of the three top positions in the UK yesterday and shared it in twitter

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All the lists are updated and suffer fluctuations. The 1600x, which you place in #3 in the UK list, is now back to its natural position #5 in the list. And the 8600k, which you place in #6, is back to the #3, like when I did the list yesterday. I add file with the screenshot taken today, just now.

The same happens in Spain. You claim there is 4 CPUs from AMD. I just checked and there is only one. The other top 9 best-sellers are from Intel. I upload the image as file. I also took screeneshot of the top three in Spain yesterday

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It is well-known that Germany is pro-AMD and that is the reason why reports from mindfactory.de are 'leaked' to the press.
 

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My next ones will be an AMD only, regartdless of what this guy writes. I run both multiple times and have my own "hands on" experience
 
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No, my list is not wrong. I took a photo of the three top positions in the UK yesterday and shared it in twitter


All the lists are updated and suffer fluctuations.

so what you're saying is that those lists say fuck all about consumer preference?

It is well-known that Germany is pro-AMD


hahaha, by whom? you? certainly not a single german [H] member, let alone anyone they know.
 
-Continued Spectre Meltdown Issues.
-10nm woes.
-Overall product release uncertainty including CCLx and 8 core CFL.

Comparing sales data seems to be the new Intel safe space.

Just let it be guys.
 
Who has been the main customer of GF?


You can dislike the logic, but the data shows that AMD is selling more in Germany than in other countries.

So now it's about who does business with GF, German consumers now delve down two layers deep, it's like fucking inception in here.

Your "logic" is flawed, its based on one data point, one that doesn't hold up when you actually look at it. Based on your logic, sales in NY and in TX would have skew highly towards AMD. Those are two of the largest markets in the US based on population, so you should see a much larger portion of sales going towards AMD. Amazon_CPU_top10.PNG Amazon_CPU_top10_UK.PNG Amazon_CPU_top10_DE.png Amazon_CPU_top10_ES.PNG

You're a dishonest shill who doesn't source his cherry picked data, you're so famous for it that even Linus Torvalds knows your're a shill and has called you out for it. Give it a fucking rest, you managed to out yourself here in a little over a year, maybe try some subtlety next time.



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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Processors/zgbs/computers/430515031
https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/430177031
https://www.amazon.es/gp/bestsellers/computers/937925031/
 
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But Intel is amazing & respects their customers.
Their cores are so powerful that they wanted to keep milking it with 4 cores and + 3% performance gains for 10+ years.
Damn AMD for innovating and forcing Intel engineers to start offering 6/8 cores to mainstream.....
Also, Intel platform and motherboards are so superior that they force you to upgrade motherboard on every cpu release.
Unlike AMD where, if you buy a Ryzen in 2017, you can use the same motherboard in 2019 with 7nm cpu......

True story here guys-
I own stock in Intel and have made good money off of it (bought at $32 per share, now at $51)
I want to say thanks to the Intel loyalists for continuing to buy 3 motherboards in the same time frame AMD users buy one.
 
I just want to add in here that Germany is know in Europe to have very good electronics prices and a lot of people in countries around Germany will buy hardware from there to save money and as such I would not take those sales numbers as beeing specific/typical for Germany.

I would even argue that AMD sells better due to people from abroad where they have lower incomes buying those as they are usually cheaper then intel's parts and they can't afford those. (among others there are some fairly high VAT differences still in the european Union)
 
I just want to add in here that Germany is know in Europe to have very good electronics prices and a lot of people in countries around Germany will buy hardware from there to save money and as such I would not take those sales numbers as beeing specific/typical for Germany.

I would even argue that AMD sells better due to people from abroad where they have lower incomes buying those as they are usually cheaper then intel's parts and they can't afford those. (among others there are some fairly high VAT differences still in the european Union)

This, lived there for a while and it's pretty true. Most people I knew there were Intel, only one AMD that was German and another AMD user who wasn't German. Also it's close to eastern EU and some countries don't have much stock or very much competition, so they got to Germany on holidays and also get a few bits and pieces or get family to bring it back on way through.
 
Your "logic" is flawed, its based on one data point

I count two.

you're so famous for it that even Linus Torvalds knows your're a shill and has called you out for it.

I always have tons of fun in my discussions with Linus. The more colorful and impolite his language, the more wrong he is. In that occasion I was simply sharing technical info about the AMDflaws

A white paper with full details is available (but not made public still). A research package with PoCs is on the hands of AMD, Microsoft, HP, Dell, Symantec, FireEye, and Cisco Systems, to help them develop patches and mitigation.

Then Linus came to attack me, half serious half joking, with his "CTS Labs is _obviously_ a scam, and juanrga has drunk the koolaid". He had been giving one of his typical shows elsewhere, insulting not only to CTS-labs but also to the whole security community with phrases like "security people need to understand that they look like clowns because of it. The whole security industry needs to just admit that they have a lot of sh*t going on, and they should use -- and encourage -- some critical thinking".

One or two weeks latter AMD confirmed the flaws are real and promised patches, and Linus closed his mounth...
 
But Intel is amazing & respects their customers.
Their cores are so powerful that they wanted to keep milking it with 4 cores and + 3% performance gains for 10+ years.
Damn AMD for innovating and forcing Intel engineers to start offering 6/8 cores to mainstream.....
Also, Intel platform and motherboards are so superior that they force you to upgrade motherboard on every cpu release.
Unlike AMD where, if you buy a Ryzen in 2017, you can use the same motherboard in 2019 with 7nm cpu......

True story here guys-
I own stock in Intel and have made good money off of it (bought at $32 per share, now at $51)
I want to say thanks to the Intel loyalists for continuing to buy 3 motherboards in the same time frame AMD users buy one.

Remember that the original successor for the 4-core Skylake was the 8-core Icelake. Then the problems with 10nm arose and Intel had to change the original tick-tock model by tick-tock-opt-opt. Is then when Intel had to launch plan B: Kabylake and now CoffeeLake.

Yes, AMD Zen is forcing Intel to release moar cores now, but also Intel original plans forced AMD to release a 8-core Zen with SMT2.

About the mobos, don't forget that AMD has released the new 400-series just to extract all the performance from Ryzen 2000 series. If reusing mobos was the end of the history, then AMD wouldn't release new 400-series neither we would heard all the problems that people has had with Raven Ridge on 3000-series mobos.
 
I just want to add in here that Germany is know in Europe to have very good electronics prices and a lot of people in countries around Germany will buy hardware from there to save money and as such I would not take those sales numbers as beeing specific/typical for Germany.

8700k pricing (five minutes ago)

UK: £305.00 --> 345 euro
ES: 333.45 eur
IT: 334.99 euro
FR: 317.90 euro
DE: 372.90 euro

The 8700k is more expensive on Amazon Germany, and that without adding transport.
 
ROFL. That is like pretending that one cannot talk about cold and hot coutries because temperature fluctuates.

you mean one can generate and analyze patterns based on literal decades of data, measured in dozens of places to predict trends and compare different climates?

just like you did here?

oh wait, no you did not. you have a single data point that fluctuates hourly (just like your 8700k price list, which is already outdated, too) from which you derive the general consumer behaviour and -preference of the most powerful economy in europe.

GG. but keep going, please. i mean, it must be that everyone else is wrong, right? especially the people who have first hand experience with the german microelectronics market.

Whatever you say.

do you even median, bro?
 
you mean one can generate and analyze patterns based on literal decades of data, measured in dozens of places to predict trends and compare different climates?

just like you did here?

oh wait, no you did not. you have a single data point that fluctuates hourly (just like your 8700k price list, which is already outdated, too) from which you derive the general consumer behaviour and -preference of the most powerful economy in europe.

I have more than one data point, and two of them are public (Mindfactory.de and amazon.de) and all them prove the point.

8700k price list outdated? Not for the argument given about the same item being more expensive on Germany. Older list from yesterday

UK: £305.00 --> 345 euro
ES: 333.45 eur
IT: 334.99 euro
FR: 317.90 euro
DE: 372.90 euro

New list from today (checked minutes ago)

UK: £305.00 --> 345 euro
ES: 333.45 eur
IT: 334.99 euro
FR: 317.90 euro
DE: 369.70 euro

So all pricings are the same than yesterday, expect on the Germany store, where the i7 is now 3.2 euro cheaper. However, this 0.86% fluctuation in price doesn't change the argument given yesterday about how the same chip is more expensive on Germany than in other European stores (contrary to what some of you pretended).

GG. but keep going, please. i mean, it must be that everyone else is wrong, right? especially the people who have first hand experience with the german microelectronics market.

Selling stuff to Germany counts as first hand experience?
 
I have more than one data point, and two of them are public (Mindfactory.de and amazon.de) and all them prove the point.

no, they don't. they do not allow for the extrapolation that you try to shoehorn into this discussion. let's back up a bit. your original claim was:

Germany is pro-AMD because AMD has been giving lots of jobs to Germans. Remember the "diffused in Germany" that you can find in AMD chips since older Athlons to recentest 7000-series APUs

which in itself is ludicrous, because

a) AMD has "given" lots of jobs to germans - this is true: AMD has created about 2.800 jobs in what is basically the Mordor of germany (i'm originally from that region, so i'm allowed to say this). however, intel has been employing around 3.500 people in germany since 1974.
if you do the math you will find out that 3.500 is a larger number than 2.800. so my question is: is germany now pro-intel again or are they pro-amd AND pro-intel? which is it?

b) see my ford analogy from a few posts above which you failed to address.

then you shifted to sales numbers and showed that even in very highly fluctuating stores, the top three selling processors are, in fact, intel CPUs which is somehow a clear indication for germany being pro-amd.

again, blanket statements like this are extremely shallow and pretentious:

It is well-known that Germany is pro-AMD

oncemore i ask, by whom? nothing you posted supports this claim, at all.

furthermore:

reports from mindfactory.de are 'leaked' to the press.

I have more than one data point, and two of them are public (Mindfactory.de)

are those reports "leaked" or are they public? which is it? (spoiler: they aren't leaks).


Selling stuff to Germany counts as first hand experience?

good for you. i guess "breathing" in germany and "talking" to germans and having had an online electronics store selling pretested CPUs doesn't count?

well, i hope your sales portfolio is heavily weighed towards AMD, given your market "analysis".
 
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