China Stealing US Tech

If I recall correctly, gunpowder was the last original Chinese invention @ 300AD
 
That is a standard operating procedure for China. Manufacurers of every type that have opened facilities in China for production of hard goods have found STUNNINGLY accurate knockoffs of those exact products in short order.

I have a friend in the... hardware providing industry to the military. A competitor of thiers took a contract to build engines in china for the Chinese Military. It took 2 years and China ended the contract and went about using a purely chinese company to build the exact same engines and broke contract with the original provider and left them floundering. They do this without thinking ALL THE TIME. They really don't give two shits.

I never understood why companies do this. I know there is a billion plus people there and a huge market so they just see dollar signs. Is it worth all your IP being copied I don't think so.
 
If they've been doing this forever, WHY oh WHY do US companies continue to build factories over there?

We've got space here, people. And infrastructure.

Because short term profits > EVERYTHING ELSE.
Micron has no factories in China. In fact the theft was in Taiwan after Micron bought a company there and they did the stealing by hiring Eloisa employees and getting them to thieve.

Samsung and SK Hynix have fabs in China, as does Intel NAND. Very bad ideas, as you said.

In this specific case I don't give 0 fuks, they've been rigging prices for decades and I will welcome chinese memory chips with open arms.
You’re going to be very disappointed.
Because they have something we do not have. Cheap labor.

the cost of labor is negligible compared to all other costs involved in building and running a fab. Now land and Regulations are a different story.

It's not just the theft of intellectual property or China's cheap labor. The Chinese government hates the idea of Chinese wealth being spent overseas. It is acceptable for an individual to have a foreign product, since that can be a status symbol, but at China's industrial level it is unacceptable to depend on foreign companies. Does anyone remember the push to remove Microsoft from all enterprise level servers?
This couldn’t be more wrong. It’s about China being self sufficient so they are not beholden to other nations or the world order (national security, not profits is the motivation). They want to mfg memory, not to profit from it (at least directly) but so it cannot be held over their heads. Imagine what happens if the US and SK jointly ban exporting memory to a China - two nations could destroy the Chinese tech industry just like that.
 
Gausing magnet if HDD, or specialized utility from mfg if SSD. Although technically speaking, SSD wear leveling (TRIM) will automatically reset or cleanup released blocks. Even in the spare area. Or use a freeware program you know isn't compromised and has good research behind it.

Or my favorite, clip the chip leads, remove them, smash them, then smash the platters, or put a drill through it.

drilling doesn't work. For magnetic media you basically need to over write repeatedly, degauss, then shred. And for modern magnetic media, standard degaussers aren't that effective. For SSDs, its pretty much the same, complete overwrite repeatedly and then shred. Tapes likewise, though deguassers are minimally effective.

Modern media forensics can mostly retrieve the data through a LOT of stuff. For actual media destruction, outside of an industrial shredder, you best bet is probably a hydraulic press that will fuse the material together.
 
This couldn’t be more wrong. It’s about China being self sufficient so they are not beholden to other nations or the world order (national security, not profits is the motivation). They want to mfg memory, not to profit from it (at least directly) but so it cannot be held over their heads. Imagine what happens if the US and SK jointly ban exporting memory to a China - two nations could destroy the Chinese tech industry just like that.

I'll admit that the U.S. has the same policy for military procurement (it's the reason Micron exists in the first place), but overall I'll strongly disagree. There are too many cases of Chinese industry being denied permission to source foreign equipment or processes. The balance of trade is one of the foundations of Chinese self sufficiency.
 
This reminds me of the world-wide capacitor plague years back.
 
drilling doesn't work. For magnetic media you basically need to over write repeatedly, degauss, then shred. And for modern magnetic media, standard degaussers aren't that effective. For SSDs, its pretty much the same, complete overwrite repeatedly and then shred. Tapes likewise, though deguassers are minimally effective.

Modern media forensics can mostly retrieve the data through a LOT of stuff. For actual media destruction, outside of an industrial shredder, you best bet is probably a hydraulic press that will fuse the material together.

To quote Ron White as he grabs a cigar and whiskey "Go on I'm listening"
 
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