Microsoft’s Next-Gen Xbox Will Arrive in 2020

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According to Thurrott’s sources, Microsoft’s next-generation Xbox, codenamed “Scarlett,” will be released in just two years. It isn’t clear whether it will be a brand-new console or update in the vein of the Xbox One X, but a family of devices will reportedly be introduced, some of which would presumably extend the functionality of the core system.

Considering how much effort Microsoft has put into backward compatibility, I would expect the Scarlett devices to support current gen games but offer more advanced features and align possibly with Microsoft’s upcoming game-streaming services. As with any leak this far out, timing and plans can change, but I was able to verify the information I viewed as being authentic and fully believe that the company is on track to release the new console in two years.
 
Damn, that sucks if it's true :( Not enough time between Xbox One X and this I think. I'd much rather see new consoles in 2023 and have it be a real step up instead. It may be nice in the short term but in 2026 when we are still running 2020 hardware it will suck and hold games back.
 
maxz01 said:
Damn, that sucks if it's true :( Not enough time between Xbox One X and this I think. I'd much rather see new consoles in 2023 and have it be a real step up instead. It may be nice in the short term but in 2026 when we are still running 2020 hardware it will suck and hold games back.
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That’s always going to be the trade off though. And hell I wouldn’t call it 2020 hardware necessarily. Since it’s in the planning stages now in 2018. I mean PS5 is all but confirmed (or is it confirmed?) to be using Navi(2018/19 hardware), and not releasing for a number of years.

On the plus side, with as much as has been squeezed out of Jaguar chips for this generation, I’m sure the next gen will be a continuation of that.
 
MS is getting desperate. They already have the world's most powerful gaming console. This reeks of desperation.
 
SickBeast said:
MS is getting desperate. They already have the world's most powerful gaming console. This reeks of desperation.
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They may go full in on this with their original Xbox One vision of bringing a "steam" like downloadable game library to the console, on top of their cloud gaming service.

Think about the moves they've made the last few years trying to merge the Windows world with Xbox exclusives. They want Steam-like revenue for Windows and Xbox (outside of the per-title fees they get for just Xbox).

The consoles are no longer major loss-leaders since they've switched to more standard PC components. Quicker refreshes and an eco-system that encourages more subscription revenue to a wider audience is enticing to shareholders.
 
Megalith said:
Considering how much effort Microsoft has put into backward compatibility,
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Hopefully they'll put some effort into forward compatibility for the next Xbox, because while backward compat is a nice value add, it's not a substitute for having a firstparty platform.

They won't be able to coast on BC and multiplats again while crutching on "most powerful hardware" gimmicks - that doesn't move the needle; look no further than the success of the Switch.
 
maxz01 said:
Damn, that sucks if it's true :( Not enough time between Xbox One X and this I think. I'd much rather see new consoles in 2023 and have it be a real step up instead. It may be nice in the short term but in 2026 when we are still running 2020 hardware it will suck and hold games back.
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The Xbox One X is a minor revision of the Xbox One which released in 2013. From 2013 to 2020 is a pretty long console generation. The next Xbox should be the real step up that Xbox One X wasn't. I think it would be pretty horrible for gaming if Xbox One X, with its dated capabilities, stayed around until 2023.
 
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maxz01 said:
Minor revision? I thought Xbox one X was significantly faster?
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My understanding is that it's the XB1 but designed for 4k resolution. So, it has more power, but that power is for rendering the same stuff as before, just at 4k instead of 1080p. So, while it's more powerful, it's still Xbox One, and not a new generation of console, of graphics, and of games.
 
DPI said:
Hopefully they'll put some effort into forward compatibility for the next Xbox, because while backward compat is a nice value add, it's not a substitute for having a firstparty platform.

They won't be able to coast on BC and multiplats again while crutching on "most powerful hardware" gimmicks - that doesn't move the needle; look no further than the success of the Switch.
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Dude, you would complain if they had a bunch of first party exclusives because they are trying to kill "PC Gaming"...….. :eek::rolleyes:
 
Delicieuxz said:
My understanding is that it's the XB1 but designed for 4k resolution. So, it has more power, but that power is for rendering the same stuff as before, just at 4k instead of 1080p. So, while it's more powerful, it's still Xbox One, and not a new generation of console, of graphics, and of games.
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Xbox One has some 1.3TFlops while Xbox One X has around 6Tflops (GDDR5 instead of DDR3 among other tricks).
So I wouldn't call it a minor revision, but I think I get what you're saying. Because despite the power difference they end up playing the same games, as they couldn't just drop/abandon the standard Xbox One. So it might not feel like the traditional generational leap.

(Xbox 360 put out around 0.24Tflops, when not throttling)
 
Templar_X said:
Xbox One has some 1.3TFlops while Xbox One X has around 6Tflops (GDDR5 instead of DDR3 among other tricks).
So I wouldn't call it a minor revision, but I think I get what you're saying. Because despite the power difference they end up playing the same games, as they couldn't just drop/abandon the standard Xbox One. So it might not feel like the traditional generational leap.

(Xbox 360 put out around 0.24Tflops, when not throttling)
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That's the thing, the Xbox One X is only powerful enough to run Xbox One games at 4k resolution. It is not a next generation console for 4k gaming. It simply allows current gen graphics at 4k resolution. That probably explains the slow sales for the console also. I plan to buy one personally once the price is cut to $350USD and I can find a good sale on one. Maybe Black Friday.
 
SickBeast said:
That's the thing, the Xbox One X is only powerful enough to run Xbox One games at 4k resolution. It is not a next generation console for 4k gaming. It simply allows current gen graphics at 4k resolution. That probably explains the slow sales for the console also. I plan to buy one personally once the price is cut to $350USD and I can find a good sale on one. Maybe Black Friday.
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For a next generation console for 4k gaming (at a reasonable price) I think we would need graphics hardware that we simply do not have today. (sadly)
 
Templar_X said:
For a next generation console for 4k gaming (at a reasonable price) I think we would need graphics hardware that we simply do not have today. (sadly)
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Yes. And do you really think AMD is going to have that technology in 2020? I don't. It's a good thing IMO. The door is wide open for PC gaming to take over even more.
 
SickBeast said:
Yes. And do you really think AMD is going to have that technology in 2020? I don't. It's a good thing IMO. The door is wide open for PC gaming to take over even more.
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I honestly don't know, larger R&D funds from Ryzen sales, collaboration with Sony and/or Microsoft, some serious efficiency jumps from new fab processes and some 2 years to do it. I think the potential might be there, now if they can execute on it is the real question.
 
Templar_X said:
I honestly don't know, larger R&D funds from Ryzen sales, collaboration with Sony and/or Microsoft, some serious efficiency jumps from new fab processes and some 2 years to do it. I think the potential might be there, now if they can execute on it is the real question.
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My thoughts are they will achieve GTX 1080 Ti performance, at best. Not next gen. But I could be wrong.
 
Templar_X said:
I think they might do a bit better than that by 2020, but I'm not betting my money on it. We'll wait and see I guess.
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What would be really cool is if Sony and Microsoft actually released high end consoles with cutting edge technology like what we saw with the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3. I think those days are over, though. We'll probably see a re-hash of the current gen. More cheap midrange hardware, at best. At least they won't be using Jaguar cores any more.
 
SickBeast said:
What would be really cool is if Sony and Microsoft actually released high end consoles with cutting edge technology like what we saw with the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3. I think those days are over, though. We'll probably see a re-hash of the current gen. More cheap midrange hardware, at best. At least they won't be using Jaguar cores any more.
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I totally agree!
I'm probably just more optimistic, and think Microsoft might have learned from launching Xbox One to not go with low performing hardware again.
 
7nm APU then. By 2020, it better not be 12nm. 8 Zen 2 cores with or without SMT. Navi GPU.
 
maxz01 said:
Damn, that sucks if it's true :( Not enough time between Xbox One X and this I think. I'd much rather see new consoles in 2023 and have it be a real step up instead. It may be nice in the short term but in 2026 when we are still running 2020 hardware it will suck and hold games back.
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what they will do is the same, they will release a new XboneX2 that will have a common denominator, XboneX1, so all the games should work on X1 at 30fps@1080p minimum and on X2 to whatever it can push, while announcing that that they will drop support for XboneS, and they will have it up the ars..
because sony will release the PS5 that will push it's maximum from the get go without having to settle for a common denominator ( pro ), not just because of when XboxX and pro were released but the initial announcemens were different, Sony released the pro to buff up perf and make use of the VR headset, while Microsoft went to promess their long support term with upgradable consoles overtime, ppl will expect the support for the X1 to continue, and they will export the same problems they had with this gen to the next one, pretty sure this how it will play out.
 
alamox said:
what they will do is the same, they will release a new XboneX2 that will have a common denominator, XboneX1, so all the games should work on X1 at 30fps@1080p minimum and on X2 to whatever it can push, while announcing that that they will drop support for XboneS, and they will have it up the ars..
because sony will release the PS5 that will push it's maximum from the get go without having to settle for a common denominator ( pro ), not just because of when XboxX and pro were released but the initial announcemens were different, Sony released the pro to buff up perf and make use of the VR headset, while Microsoft went to promess their long support term with upgradable consoles overtime, ppl will expect the support for the X1 to continue, and they will export the same problems they had with this gen to the next one, pretty sure this how it will play out.
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That's possible but the Jaguar cores in the current Xbox One X CPU may prevent that. Ryzen is many times more powerful. And the CPU affects framerate independent of resolution and graphics power. The bottom line is that the current Jaguar CPU will probably be far too weak to run future games. It's even a bottleneck now in a lot of games. That CPU was a horrible design choice.
 
I am seeing rumors that Sony helped fund a large portion of the money for developing the Navi chips. They did this in exchange for the exclusive console rights to it. If this is true than MS is stuck with beefed up versions of current AMD GPUs.
 
jpcahn1 said:
I am seeing rumors that Sony helped fund a large portion of the money for developing the Navi chips. They did this in exchange for the exclusive console rights to it. If this is true than MS is stuck with beefed up versions of current AMD GPUs.
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Ok, thanks for sharing that. But from what I'm hearing, Navi is Vega 2.0. Not a redesign. A die shrunk Vega basically. I would be shocked if it was anything special. I personally think it's going to flop.
 
I certainly would buy this right now. Day one purchase. Xbox Triple X to another room.
 
Templar_X said:
For a next generation console for 4k gaming (at a reasonable price) I think we would need graphics hardware that we simply do not have today. (sadly)
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Maybe that new hardware will be the Intel GPU!

Bwahahaha
 
SickBeast said:
Ok, thanks for sharing that. But from what I'm hearing, Navi is Vega 2.0. Not a redesign. A die shrunk Vega basically. I would be shocked if it was anything special. I personally think it's going to flop.
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It should still be worlds better than the Jaguar cores they’re running currently. If heat and power are in line I think the consoles could be rather impressive; certainly beyond the current XboneX and PS4pro.
Everything at shitty 4K30 or 1080@60. And frankly 1080@60 would be a nice get for consoles. EG new God of War on the Pro is graphically impressive and beautifully smooth animations...still doesn’t hit 60 though I think.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Sony is looking at the same time frame. It's not the consoles, it's the televisions. We've been waiting for ultra high definition television to take over for more than 10 years, and now we're starting to see 4k come down into the consumer segment. The XBox One X isn't a bad platform, but it's on the edge of doing 4k properly, and I think MS would want a definitive 4k experience for that moment when 4k televisions exist in 50% of the home market. If the predictions are correct, by 2020 4k will be selling in every segment of the the television market and 1080p will only be found in the off-market/sub-market segment. Also, I think by 2020 the VR market will be mature enough that MS will be able to build a good headset with good resolution, speed, and none of the screendoor.

If I'm right, I wouldn't expect Microsoft's next console to be radically different than the X Box One, just bigger and badder. I don't think either Microsoft or Sony want to go back to the days when a game developer had to have a PhD in assembly language to get the most out of their console.
 
I bought the Xbox One X and i hope the next one will be a completely new console (marketing wise) , just so developers wont HAVE TO support/develop for older hardware.
It wont hurt the customers as all the games they bought will be backward compatible.
 
SickBeast said:
Yes. And do you really think AMD is going to have that technology in 2020? I don't. It's a good thing IMO. The door is wide open for PC gaming to take over even more.
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You do realize that they are currently running a jaguar variant which is bulldozer based?

And you think 7nm Navi and 40% more efficient ryzen core won't make a huge difference? They are running to fluid 4k now.

Haters gonna hate.

I think Xbox is going to aim for vr as the next wave. That takes a lot of horse power.

I'm not worried about heat/power either. I have been noticing the max operating temperature has been slowly lowering from generation to generation. Not because of a respin but because smaller nodes clock better at lower temps.
 
T_A said:
I bought the Xbox One X and i hope the next one will be a completely new console (marketing wise) , just so developers wont HAVE TO support/develop for older hardware.
It wont hurt the customers as all the games they bought will be backward compatible.
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That is a concern for developers. Sony did the same thing in one upmanship. But the upgrade in horsepower was used to improve graphics and that is easy to scale. You only have two platforms to test on. If it doesn't run fast enough scale it filtering/rez/texture sizes/particles&effects.
 
SickBeast said:
My thoughts are they will achieve GTX 1080 Ti performance, at best. Not next gen. But I could be wrong.
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As with all the rumors running around for next gen consoles/gpu's/games, and displays I decided to swap my 4k monitor from my 1080SLI rig to the older rig with the 1080TI so I could really see what it can do at 4k(actually 4096x2160). Many similar parts between the rigs other than CPU's(2600k @ 4.2 vs 4930k @ 4.2). I was pleasantly surprised at the TI's overall performance. With the exception of KCD and ROTR, many games(tested MEA, RE7-60fps! Conan Exiles, both Metros's, Crysis 3, Witcher 2 and 3, Doom) held 40-55 with maxed settings and v-sync on. Not the buttery smooth experience of what it could do at 1440p/g-sync but not bad either. If they can make something affordable with that performance most console gamer's would be happy. Throw in AMD's free-sync and that many t.v.'s will likely be supporting it by then and you've got a sweet spot.

SickBeast said:
What would be really cool is if Sony and Microsoft actually released high end consoles with cutting edge technology like what we saw with the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3. I think those days are over, though. We'll probably see a re-hash of the current gen. More cheap midrange hardware, at best. At least they won't be using Jaguar cores any more.
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Couldn't agree with you more. It really seems like Sony and MS have joined the ranks of Intel and NV in a nickel and dime approach of generational performance increases. PS1>PS2>PS3 were magical times. I admit I've even got my eye on the 4 Pro for BF to get in on it's exclusives. Xbox>360 also amazing(sans the rings of course). One X is impressive by the numbers but no real incentive over the rigs I already have. Once they both locked themselves into a more tradition PC architecture it really narrowed the generational possibilities that the more exotic approaches employed before offered.
 
You can’t keep moving forward with tablet-class cpu. Even 2020 looks like taking too long for a real upgrade, but at least this timeline is reasonable enough. X and Pro have aleays been planned as a mid-cycle update. So by 2020 new consoles will be almost overdue when taking into consideration original launch in 2013 and refresh in 2016. Holiday season 2019 would be perfect.
 
Let’s hope that Microsoft has figured out than an X-Box is a games console this time, and spec it accordingly!

It can not afford to be slower than the PlayStation 5. Microsoft lost so much market share due to using an anemic GPU last time.

It’s all about the games first, media functions second. Just make sure it actually does have media functions...
 
Who cares? It's just gonna be fisher price PC with fraction of the options.
 
TheToE! said:
Who cares? It's just gonna be fisher price PC with fraction of the options.
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It’s not like the PC space has actually moved on much GPU wise since the PS4 and Xbox were launched. This next gen could very well be a better, cheaper games platform than most desktop PCs by 2020

These next gen consoles should all be about high quality 4K 60Hz gaming, and that’s fine for the vast majority. I’m sure simple games will be pushing for 120Hz. Pretty much like current high end desktops.

I’m sure both AMD and nVidias next gen cards won’t be dramatically faster than what is here now, at least at the affordable end of things.
 
Are you predicting that new consoles will be a cheaper over all platform than PC?
 
TheToE! said:
Who cares? It's just gonna be fisher price PC with fraction of the options.
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I care but then again, only immature people think they outgrow fisher price toys. :) After all, the PC is just a more expensive fisher price toy. (That said, I love them as well because the only limit you have is how much you want to spend, and how much power you have available.)
 
Delicieuxz said:
The Xbox One X is a minor revision of the Xbox One which released in 2013. From 2013 to 2020 is a pretty long console generation. The next Xbox should be the real step up that Xbox One X wasn't. I think it would be pretty horrible for gaming if Xbox One X, with its dated capabilities, stayed around until 2023.
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Wait what? Dated capabilities? Tell me that when I'm playing forza in 4k@60 buttery smooth and beautiful hdr on my OLED. My pc in my sig sure as hell cant, I would need to spend 1000 on a gpu even tho i have the previous generations flagship with a massive oc.
 
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