ZiggyDeath
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Wasn't cable management really just to help air flow?
I remember slicing up my parallel and IDE cables to bundle them so that they would stop blocking my jet engines from doing their job.
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Noctua Was the Only Hardware Company at Computex Totally Ignoring RGB
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I remember slicing up my parallel and IDE cables to bundle them so that they would stop blocking my jet engines from doing their job.
And it is still the main objective in my builds. Looks come distant second. I don't like bending stiff cables 180 degrees just for aesthetics.
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I loved pata cables for how thin they were and how neatly they stacked. Sure, the colors weren't all that great, but they easily fit under and behind other components. Otoh, I also craved the round pata cables, but I never got any because I was so young I couldn't really afford them, and there wasn't anybody else who'd look inside my PC anyway. Performance was more important, and so I saved up for a complete upgrade...a Socket A Sempron! D:
Pieter3dnow
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Nice interview with Jacob from Noctua showcasing a lot of new things:
harmattan
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Good on Noctua for doing this. Every one of their products I've owned has been top notch, no need to jussy up what already works great.
The RGB craze reminds me of the "cold cathode" tube craze in the late 90s/early 00s. If you didn't have purple cold cathodes hanging off the side of every free surface of your case, you were crap. Most gaming PCs looked like a carnival ride at the time (I know mine did).
The RGB craze reminds me of the "cold cathode" tube craze in the late 90s/early 00s. If you didn't have purple cold cathodes hanging off the side of every free surface of your case, you were crap. Most gaming PCs looked like a carnival ride at the time (I know mine did).
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I hope they sell that shroud separately, have some extra noctua fans laying around not cooling anything. I have some usb powered fans, but they're incredibly loud, so the shroud and the usb adapter are on my buy list. While my nh15 does quite well on my 7700k, the new thicker one looks like a rizen cooler. And look! Colored pads! Bling! The Noctua rep called it the "rgb war", must have been reading this. When is Kyle going to get the Rizen-compatable noctua to test? (Rhetorical, I know he's going to get one as soon as they are released).
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Nope, that was only one of the reasons, not even the only reason.
I was there and remember wishing I could make things look as good as those professionals did. Alas, I did ok, things looked ok but, not quite as good as I would have liked. Now I have 4 fans lit up red, the motherboard is lit up red in a certain place and my video card is a Vega Reference, red led's as well. I like red, which I have my Corsair keyboard set as well. All other lights are white and it looks good.
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I presume LAN partys are no more, THAT is where blinged out cases make perfect sense.
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Ryzen-rizen-resin-resen, haven't been paying too much attention to the AMD cpu's for a few years, been intel for 15-20 years now. I do know Kyle likes him some ryzen coolers, so I expect he's got feelers out to just about all the cooler companies that will still talk to him. Hopefully he hasn't pissed of Noctua, yet.
Who knows, maybe my next rig will have a Ryzen in it. Got a few years left in my 7700k build. With a noctua nh15.
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Nope, that was only one of the reasons, not even the only reason.
Well, I can't speak to what was going through your head at the time, but that was the only reason I cared about cable management.
Remember, back then cases didn't have windows. I didnt want a build that looked like a beaten up turd on the outside, but as long as I got good airflow, and could close the damned lid, I was happy
And then there's the original blowhole case that Kyle built.
This was by no menas an aesthetic mod
ZiggyDeath
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Neither could I, which is why I was shredding my cables and using electrical tape to bundle them!
Well, I can't speak to what was going through your head at the time, but that was the only reason I cared about cable management.
Remember, back then cases didn't have windows. I didnt want a build that looked like a beaten up turd on the outside, but as long as I got good airflow, and could close the damned lid, I was happy
I cared about airflow for the exact same reason; I have never owned a windowed case. So all the cable management I've done, was and still is, strictly for airflow.
Design1stcode2nd
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This reminds me about all the Porschephile's that went bat shit crazy over the Cayenne. The reason that they have as many 911 variants is the money that the Cayenne brought in. You have more case and component options because people are buying the RGB this and that and custom loop water cooling. If not for their money some of these companies might be gone.
You do realize you can a great performing and great looking PC right? If something happens and Zotac's Firestorm fails to launch I ca see if my GPU fans are not spinning properly because the PC is next to my desk and has pretty lights.
While I think it's gone a bit too far for me and in the instance of PC cases it's been detrimental to performance we see that changing even at Computex this year. Lots of cases pushing better airflow than in past years. Cases offering either a flat front or mesh you get to choose what you want.
Appearance matters, whether that is clothing, cars or food. For some it's less than others.
You do realize you can a great performing and great looking PC right? If something happens and Zotac's Firestorm fails to launch I ca see if my GPU fans are not spinning properly because the PC is next to my desk and has pretty lights.
While I think it's gone a bit too far for me and in the instance of PC cases it's been detrimental to performance we see that changing even at Computex this year. Lots of cases pushing better airflow than in past years. Cases offering either a flat front or mesh you get to choose what you want.
Appearance matters, whether that is clothing, cars or food. For some it's less than others.
jeverson74
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Thank you Noctua for not giving into the gimmick. I'm so fed up with having to search endlessly for components that doesn't have seizure inducing lights on them. Granted, many of them have setting where you can disable it, but would prefer that the default be off rather than on. Maybe I'm just an old fart, but I don't want my PC puking rainbows all the time. The only "lighting" I want is the back light on my monitor and keyboard (preferable a single muted color).
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Really? I just looked at the first page of fans on Newegg and over 50% of them have no led's of anykind. Exaggerate much? Also, most cases come with fans that have no led's. You are not endlessly searching components and besides, having choices are a good thing. Oh well, I am not young anymore myself but, I like the options of making my computer a specific color, if I like. (Mostly muted red color with the white led's are what came with the case.)
It used to be that I would not even plug in the power light or hard drive activity light but times change.
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You can find cheap generic junk anf older stock that hasnt been infected with the RGB virus, but a lot of the high end stuff sadly comes with it what her you want it or not.
Keep in mind, the article clearly points out that Noctua's was the only company at the show that hadn't jumped on the bandwagon.
Even a few years ago when I was shopping for a set of fans with particular specifications (I can't remember if it was high airflow, low noise or high static pressure, low noise) once I was done filtering by my needs, the only ones left were a set of lighted Corsair fans.
Now, these weren't RGB, as it was a few years ago, but they did have static colored LED light, and I hated them. Eventually I wound up using my pliers to cut out the LED's. That worked OK, but it still pissed me off that I had to pay extra for something I didn't want, and then spend time modifying it to get rid of the obnoxious colored light.
And it's only gotten worse since. Try buying a high end motherboard without disco lights and retarded looking angular heatsinks that are there for show only.
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Design1stcode2nd
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Granted most do have superfluous bits but you can find performance focused boards if you want them.
You can always start your own kickstarter and go for the big crowd that wants the all green PCBs.
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... Those tiny ~30mm fans would probably drive me insane.
Not sure how I feel about that blower though. Not like the chipset needs active cooling, but would probably be useful for moving the stagnant air around the GPU out into the rest of the case.
From when? I remember as early as 2000 cases had windows on them or people were adding them themselves. The market spoke and people liked windows. Obviously or else it wouldn't have happened?
What "gimmick"? Wanting nice lighting in your case like people have been doing for 20 years now? The "gimmick" of being able to change colors to whatever you want without having to buy all new fans and lights? The "gimmick" of being able to turn them off if you don't want them?
You just said yourself you can turn them off. Why do you people make such stupid statements like this as if EVERYTHING has RGB that's in some constant seizure inducing rainbow 60hz flickering state that you have no control over?
Clearly, that's all they can do. "I'm old and don't like customizable lighting in my computer so there for everything has it and it's DESTROYING MY LIFE!!!" It's comical honestly.
Turn them off. People keep buying them, people keep using them, only a very few number of old people seem to care. Also, plenty of motherboards don't have RGB, quit acting like they all do or like you can't disable them.
Why is RGB the bane of your existence? It seems like it's all you worry about lol, you need other things to do in life. RGB is as customizable as you want it to be (i.e. you can turn it the fuck off) and it adds NOTHING to the cost of the stuff you buy. So other than you being mad about nothing what's the ACTUAL problem?
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I love Noctua. They just work amazing and are damn quiet. Color scheme? I'm fine with it. It's unique. You know exactly what it is when you see it. It works for them.
They are the only fans I'll buy. I need to replace a couple fans in a subwoofer amp and they'll be Noctua. Can't go wrong, really.
I'm glad they are keeping it simple with the lack of RGB. Simple, quiet, high quality fans. That's what I expect, that's what I get.
They are the only fans I'll buy. I need to replace a couple fans in a subwoofer amp and they'll be Noctua. Can't go wrong, really.
I'm glad they are keeping it simple with the lack of RGB. Simple, quiet, high quality fans. That's what I expect, that's what I get.
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I may be old and cantankerous (not really, I'm in my early 40's) but it is very hard to find quality performance parts that don't have the lighting on them. Plus, it would be nice to not have to pay a premium for a feature that doesn't affect performance and is just an aesthetic thing.
Also, this is a forum. People post their opinions on them. Why are you getting so bent out of shape because someone says something that doesn't reflect your personal view. It was just refreshing to read about a company that was focused on what really matters in a PC, performance.
No it isn't hard to find quality performance parts without RGB, that isn't true, like fans and cables, and accessories. Things like motherboards or GPU's with them built in don't cost anything extra and you can control them. Plus, if you actually tried them out you'd probably like them. It's calming to have a nice slow color pulse going on.
Also, you aren't paying a premium for RGB. You buy fans without RGB they're cheaper than those with RGB. You buy a motherboard with RGB it's the same cost as the model before it that didn't have RGB. So you either pay for it if you want it or you get it at no additional cost. Hell, you can get a RGB mechanical keyboard for $30...RGB premium is no longer a premium like it was a couple years ago.
I know right? Something has RGB in it and people here lose their minds like they don't control the lighting themselves. Crazy, huh?
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I cannot se my fans.
They are inside the case.
Moving air (the purpose).
At 42...I am to old for stupid bling-bling...that only induce seizures and annoy.
And I sure as hell will not pay for RGB.
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My first and last windowed case for a Pentium 4 build. (Antec P-160WF circa 2004)
Back in those days, the fad was about LEDs everywhere. LEDs on fans. LEDs on memory sticks, LEDs on CPU coolers, LED accents on the case, UV-colored cables and cable jackets, UV light tubes. And I filled that case with everything I could so it glowed like the mothership from Close Encounters. (and being made of lightweight aluminum, rattled and was loud as all get out)
It took less than three years for me to get sick of living with that glow and noise. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work and the "sexiness" of a truly showoff window case. But it sure ain't for me now.
Hmmm...
How many times will you repeat this lie? It most certainly does cost extra, either in added price or reduced feature/quality elsewhere.
That's from 1998 and PC's did look like that if that's the asthetic you were going for and the type of case you bought.
No dishonesty, you just chose a specific picture then lied about the year it was from to try and prove a non-point. Good job.
Man, again with your fucking facts! Always SPOT-OFF.
Show me where it adds cost with no other alternative or cheapens anything. I believe I've asked this of you before and you've yet to answer. No one can, because it doesn't exist. There is no RGB only thing that exists that costs more than it's no longer available non-RGB cousin that costs less.
If you don't know that adding RGB leds, microcontroler, programming support, design and integration development time, aren't free, I don't know what to tell you.
I think you've said this shit before...how does it cost you more? HOW DO IT COST YOU MORE MONEY? There, maybe you can understand that better.
I really do love these little chats with blind hateful people like you...they're so easy to win and very entertaining because you keep going on and on with no substance.
What product...like a motherboard...costs more than it's previous iteration because of RGB lighting and ONLY RGB lighting without adding other features? That's all I want to know because you keep saying otherwise.
As I've already said, it doesn't have to cost more, it can have another feature and/or quality reduced to have the same price. Seriously, is this news to you?
So you're talking out of your ass and just making shit up. Gotcha.
Exactly, not to mention marketing. Ain't nothing free, but if you lower the quality on other items you can match the same overall price.
"Hey guys we can sell it for the same price if we use cheaper capacitors (painted gold, of course) and switch to a cheaper pcb". No one will ever be the wiser.
at least until the caps swell one day after the warranty ends
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That was the norm...the RBG fad is a new fase amongst new kidos...1998 is 20 years ago....that was the norm of a PC....again, you memeory doesn't impress me.
So now components are "free"?
Or does this only apply to RBG components?
I guess the computer world is made og of two types of people:
- Those who are into performance
- Kiddos think RGB is "cool".
the ONLY outputs of light I want from a PC is:
- Power LED (Is the bastard on or off)
- I/O LED (is something abusing the drives?)
- Num Lock on the Keyboard (Does numpad work yes/no?)
Anything I consider "polution"...just like muppets that put a "noisy" aftermarket exhaust oin their cars...just producing more noise, with no added effect....it's something teens do.