Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy Rumored to Step Down This Fall

I wouldn't do that either. He's responsible for the horrid prequel trilogy. That said, I think you could let George sketch out a rough timeline and framework for the plot and then leave the details and the writing of dialog to someone else who understands what the fans want to see.
Yes, have it a bad premonition Luke saw using the force so he doesn't stay a hermit and comes out seeking Rey, Han Solo does not die etc. Rewrite the timeline - that is about the only way I can see saving the current POS storyline corrected for Starwar fans. I virtually have zero interest in the next episode.
 
That's just it. Kathleen Kennedy and her cronies have doubled down on social media by continuing to spout their political bullshit and alienate their customers. The worst part is neither her, nor Rian Johnson understand why the last two films failed to meet expectation and were met with criticism. People don't care that Rey is female. They don't care about Jyn from Rogue One being female. What matters is that Rey is a Mary Sue and that they are guilty of terrible writing and bad storytelling. The treatment of existing characters like Luke Skywalker has been horrendous and there are way too many obvious, yet missed opportunities to make these movies great that the writers were oblivious to. Characters like that purple haired chick in The Last Jedi made no sense and acted poorly for characters in that position and circumstances. All she had to do was share her plan or inspire some fucking trust in her subordinates and there would have been no issue. The scene was contrived and just plain stupid.

She's been lambasted for her stupid comments. She defends her own bad decisions and those of Rian Johnson or even JJ Abrahms by stating that people who don't agree with them hate the new movies because they are sexist or racists, Trump supporters etc. Calling people names when they don't agree with their position is a time honored tactic of the far left. It doesn't matter how many times we point out that we are fine with female leads or black leads so long as the characters are good, well written, cast, etc. No one bitched in the male dominated 1980's about Ellen Ripley from the Alien movies being female. She was a good character and that's all that mattered. The issue stems from badly written characters that only exist in that form to push a political agenda.

Was just telling my wife the same thing. Even she agrees the characters are shallow or just off. Doesn't feel the way Leia did. She felt right. Not forced.
 
I have nothing against her... and I'm not a believer in all the SJW BS some people spew in regard to her or what she has done with SW. The world is not attacking you oh poor white male every time a movie casts someone who doesn't look like you in a lead.

Having said that... I do not disagree with the view that most of the writing for the new SW stuff has been lackluster.

I enjoyed Rouge One and think it was the best of them..... I had fun going to the rest of the flicks including TLJ even if they where almost completely forgettable.

What SW needs is someone who is going to come in... find a good writer, find a solid non big name director that can handle a 80-100 mil budget (we don't need 300 mil dollar blockbusters built to just sell toys and park rides). Then task them with creating a SW movie that 1) has nothing at all to do with any characters from any of the movies or books or games. 2) is based in a different time completely... old republic would sort of work but hey there is thousands of years in between and before and after when it would seem the SW world would still feel very much like SW.

Do that at a pace of 1-2 a year... don't announce any sequels at all... See which if any spawn a following, and then announce their sequels 3-4 years later. Build some actual fervor for completely new SW stories. Solo a star wars story... Death Star Plan thief a star wars story. The whole "a star wars story" just have to much big budget bad fan fic baggage post JJ / Rian / Howard. :)
 
I have nothing against her... and I'm not a believer in all the SJW BS some people spew in regard to her or what she has done with SW. The world is not attacking you oh poor white male every time a movie casts someone who doesn't look like you in a lead.

Having said that... I do not disagree with the view that most of the writing for the new SW stuff has been lackluster.

I enjoyed Rouge One and think it was the best of them..... I had fun going to the rest of the flicks including TLJ even if they where almost completely forgettable.

What SW needs is someone who is going to come in... find a good writer, find a solid non big name director that can handle a 80-100 mil budget (we don't need 300 mil dollar blockbusters built to just sell toys and park rides). Then task them with creating a SW movie that 1) has nothing at all to do with any characters from any of the movies or books or games. 2) is based in a different time completely... old republic would sort of work but hey there is thousands of years in between and before and after when it would seem the SW world would still feel very much like SW.

Do that at a pace of 1-2 a year... don't announce any sequels at all... See which if any spawn a following, and then announce their sequels 3-4 years later. Build some actual fervor for completely new SW stories. Solo a star wars story... Death Star Plan thief a star wars story. The whole "a star wars story" just have to much big budget bad fan fic baggage post JJ / Rian / Howard. :)

I don't believe that SJW is responsible either, it's just a stupid topic that reduces everyone to the lowest denominator.

The problems that the internet often ascribes to sjw are really problems with lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting. Honestly traditional issues.
 
I don't believe that SJW
would/could you define the 'noun' SJW .

is responsible either,
they , erm , them , erm, it, I guess?, never are ( responsible that is )

...again please describe what you are ascribing a noun status. What is SJW , in your opinion ?

..a .. topic that reduces ( SIC ) EVERYONE (SIC) to the lowest denominator.
.is "SJW" a 'topic'? that is defined by how it reduces everyone to 'the lowest common denominator' ? , and if so how, and more importantly why ( remember you said EVERYONE )

The problems that the internet
the internet DOES NOT THINK FOR IT's SELF, IS NOT A SINGLE ENTITY AND HAS NO CAPACITY FOR COGNITION SELF AWARENESS OR SENSE OF SELF ( let alone the ability to judge )

often ascribes to sjw
Please quote sources for this assertion.

are really problems with lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting.
Ahh , an admission: lazy writing, poor character, "bad CASTING" (?) are ( by non-insane people ) associated with the things/people that create them; KK , JJ RUIN Johnson ( and igor ) have glaringly , unwaveringly and repeatedly embarrassed, very publicly , a political postion that aligns 1:1 with a radical , extremist far left political agenda which caused the creation of " lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting "

are you sure that word means what you think it means ?

traditional issues.
traditions are things that have stood the test of time for hundreds ( and some cases; thousands ) of years, will the policies that brought the abomination that is TLJ be revered even one year from now let alone historically?

Don't get me wrong, " lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting " are why movies fail, that much is obvious to 5 year olds, but how those things get through the checks and balances of one of the highest profile fanchises is bound to have one asking why?
 
Wonder how much of the 'burn out' is due to directives from Disney HQ to produce a certain type of movie? Many of Ms Kennedy's previous movie credits pretty well define 'blockbuster'.

Unlikely. You should read what she has said about Star Wars and the fans for the last couple years. She needs to fucking go. Now.

This trilogy is fucked. Episode 7-9 is fucked. There is no recovery. All I can hope is they get their shit together for the following trilogy whatever that might be.

Never thought I would say this, but I enjoyed the prequels more than Episode 7 and 8.
 
I wouldn't do that either. He's responsible for the horrid prequel trilogy. That said, I think you could let George sketch out a rough timeline and framework for the plot and then leave the details and the writing of dialog to someone else who understands what the fans want to see.

I enjoyed the prequels more than episode 7 and 8. Also, I remember it being mentioned somewhere that Lucas left notes on where Star Wars could lead to after he sold the company. Not sure if the Lucas direction would have worked, but it's interesting to read about.

https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...ar-wars-vanity-fair-the-force-awakens/392669/
 
Every new SW movie "ruined my childhood". There have been complaints of some kind since SW existed. The OT didnt' exist in a vacuum of perfection and all 100% positive reviews. People like to gloss over things depending on their memory of their childhood.

You can't please everyone. Everyone wants different things. Perhaps the folks there now are realizing why George just decided to let it go.

That out of the way, I hated TFA, only had minor quibbles with RO and felt half and half for TLJ. I haven't seen Solo as I really just don't like the way they are handling the direction (or rather lack of creative direction of an overarching story)of the series.
I'll probably rent Solo and give it a shot. But I can't justify spending 20-50$ to go see Star Wars every 6 months to a year personally. Maybe that's how some people feel, but then again people are willing to shill out the money to go see the next formulaic effects driven Marvel movie every few months to a year. So who knows.

( VFX people don't get enough credit and money these days. Especially when so much is getting outsourced now.)
(I only really have issues with ATOC of the prequels personally. George's push forward for better CG and environments, characters and so on that aren't possible with sets without CG extensions is a big reason why the quality has gotten so damn good these days)
 
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I don't have a problem with the Hyperdrive scene. As far as the fuel bit, I'd have to rewatch that movie (which I have no desire to do) but it makes sense to me that while in range of the Star Destroyer's guns, the problem is that the shields would have a finite power supply which would eventually fail and leave them vulnerable to those guns. However, given that they were being chased by a fleet, it's hard to understand how the Resistance flagship could have held out against guns from all those ships. MonCal cruisers have always had less shielding and offensive capabilities than their Imperial counterparts.

What do expect from films that ignore Newtonian physics. lol
Hyperdrive ramming was fine and works TBO.



Yeah, the B52 stuff was kind of a WTF is this shit when there was Y-wings and and whatever the sideway flying crosses were called in ROTJ.



Can't remember if I watched that one yet, probably everything-ish.

The physics was terrible and obviously so to even none science minded people but there were parts that were worse.......which is saying a lot.


I can't let the mass torpedoes thing go. Throughout the entire star wars filmology and canon, there is no use of hyperspace weaponry. Unless doing so is some sort of war crime or something that everyone agreed not to do, the entire universe of Star Wars capitol ships and small vessel space combat makes absolutely no sense. They threw out an entire universe worth of rules to showcase a pretty explosion in space. Mass torpedoes are something that we are familiar with as part of standard physics, certainly. It's how artillery works. It's how designs for space stations that carried tungsten rod munitions were dreamed up. It's how you would theoretically destroy an entire star system by launching a mass torpedo at near light-speed into a star in order to destroy an entire solar system. But in Star Wars, no such thing existed. Hyperspace, as best anyone could tell, is a separate dimension in which objects do not physically interact with those in 3D space.

Why does The Last Jedi make this change? Why did The Resistance settle for losing almost all of its ships and hundreds of members, only to *finally* launch an overkill attack with a hyperdrive mass torpedo in the form of the ship? Why did it even require a pilot to stay aboard, when we already know that astromech computers and autonomous ship piloting are already canon? Why aren't cheap mass torpedoes simply the weapon of choice for the resistance, at probably a billionth of the cost of a capitol starship? The fucking Death Star would have been toast from a single capitol ship, or possibly even a single starfighter equipped with a hyperdrive. The Force Awakens would have been solved by an unmanned X-wing. Return of the Jedi. Empire Strikes Back. The prequels' space battles. All of these conflicts were ultimately ended by the total destruction of some large space force or entire space stations / planets, so there's obviously no worry of MAD like we have with nuclear warfare on earth.


Seriously, for all the fun and games and lack of real physics there are in Star Wars, at least some things were accepted and rules were followed in-universe. The Last Jedi just took it and shit all over it to capitalize on a pretty explosion. And that's only one shitty part of an overall shitty movie with shitty messages. And I'm pretty fucking liberal on top of that. This movie just did a lot of shit wrong to be honest.
 
I can't let the mass torpedoes thing go. Throughout the entire star wars filmology and canon, there is no use of hyperspace weaponry. Unless doing so is some sort of war crime or something that everyone agreed not to do, the entire universe of Star Wars capitol ships and small vessel space combat makes absolutely no sense. They threw out an entire universe worth of rules to showcase a pretty explosion in space. Mass torpedoes are something that we are familiar with as part of standard physics, certainly. It's how artillery works. It's how designs for space stations that carried tungsten rod munitions were dreamed up. It's how you would theoretically destroy an entire star system by launching a mass torpedo at near light-speed into a star in order to destroy an entire solar system. But in Star Wars, no such thing existed. Hyperspace, as best anyone could tell, is a separate dimension in which objects do not physically interact with those in 3D space.

Why does The Last Jedi make this change? Why did The Resistance settle for losing almost all of its ships and hundreds of members, only to *finally* launch an overkill attack with a hyperdrive mass torpedo in the form of the ship? Why did it even require a pilot to stay aboard, when we already know that astromech computers and autonomous ship piloting are already canon? Why aren't cheap mass torpedoes simply the weapon of choice for the resistance, at probably a billionth of the cost of a capitol starship? The fucking Death Star would have been toast from a single capitol ship, or possibly even a single starfighter equipped with a hyperdrive. The Force Awakens would have been solved by an unmanned X-wing. Return of the Jedi. Empire Strikes Back. The prequels' space battles. All of these conflicts were ultimately ended by the total destruction of some large space force or entire space stations / planets, so there's obviously no worry of MAD like we have with nuclear warfare on earth.


Seriously, for all the fun and games and lack of real physics there are in Star Wars, at least some things were accepted and rules were followed in-universe. The Last Jedi just took it and shit all over it to capitalize on a pretty explosion. And that's only one shitty part of an overall shitty movie with shitty messages. And I'm pretty fucking liberal on top of that. This movie just did a lot of shit wrong to be honest.

The only thing I can think of is that there is a brief period of acceleration before the full transition to hyperspace in which there is a danger of real collision and speeds approaching the speed of light. This should not to be confused with full hyper speed velocities which are far greater than light peed despite the nomenclature being used interchangeably in the films. This isn't expressly stated, but we can infer this from Episode VII where Han and Rey talk about the danger of going to Hyperspace from inside that freighter. Among other potential dangers, there would be a brief potential for collision during acceleration. Also keep in mind that Hyperspace can't be entirely free of the influence of normal space or there wouldn't be any need to make precise calculations to avoid getting to close to a star or other objects in real space. This point was established in Episode IV.

For these reasons, I didn't have a big problem with that part of the movie. Besides, there are far bigger issues like Leia Poppins and Admiral Holdo's unprofessional and idiotic behavior and a general disregard for middle school level physics that are far more cringe inducing.
 
All of the egregious screwups and pure wastes of time from The Last Jedi (and there are tons of them as well as plenty from The Force Awakens) are bad enough on their own. We can go over each and every one of them but it will still be essentially ignoring the real threat to the franchise. The established rules for the Star Wars universe have basically been thrown out. They have shown little or no respect for the "laws of the universe" as set from the previous movies. Unless they pull a hard 180 immediately we're going to see more of this and it will be the downfall of the franchise. There is only so much you can screw with things before it all falls apart.

Basically, what they've been doing is rewriting the established rules as they see fit. It would be the equivalent of having everyone on earth suddenly allergic to the sun like vampires even though nothing changed to cause it.
 
The only thing I can think of is that there is a brief period of acceleration before the full transition to hyperspace in which there is a danger of real collision and speeds approaching the speed of light. This should not to be confused with full hyper speed velocities which are far greater than light peed despite the nomenclature being used interchangeably in the films. This isn't expressly stated, but we can infer this from Episode VII where Han and Rey talk about the danger of going to Hyperspace from inside that freighter. Among other potential dangers, there would be a brief potential for collision during acceleration. Also keep in mind that Hyperspace can't be entirely free of the influence of normal space or there wouldn't be any need to make precise calculations to avoid getting to close to a star or other objects in real space. This point was established in Episode IV.

For these reasons, I didn't have a big problem with that part of the movie. Besides, there are far bigger issues like Leia Poppins and Admiral Holdo's unprofessional and idiotic behavior and a general disregard for middle school level physics that are far more cringe inducing.

Hyperspace jumps are affected by gravity wells in the EU. This is why things like planets and stars were meant to be avoided, and there were even ships that created their own gravity wells to pull other ships out of hyperspace or prevent them from achieving it. If there is even a transition moment, it is almost certainly limited to a distance of only meters rather than tens of or hundreds of kilometers like we witnessed in The Last Jedi. The character interactions were fucking horrendous and general physics nonsense was laughable, but they don't literally upend the entire star wars universe by negating the seriousness of every major space event by introducing an enormous plot device that would have regularly ended every single space conflict ever in the entire franchise
 
What happens with "warp" drive is space-time is warped with a compressed space-time in the direction of movement and an expanded space-time in the trailing side. A gravity well in the forward deflects matter in it's path as if the vehicle was just slipping through the space and the matter in space streamlines around the warped space-time field. Free shield. As faster than light is portrayed in movies a wormhole is opened to accomplish this. Wormholes require enormous amounts of energy. Like all the mass of a star or some shit. Time-space warp is cheaper and can be built smaller.
 
I don't have a problem with the Hyperdrive scene.
I didn’t until I thought about it and had to ask myself if that was all that had to be done in order to defeat a super capital ship, than why not just do that in the first place? Why bother engaging a massive, powerful, super capital ship in conventional combat, risking men and war materiel when all you have to do is take a much smaller ship (and far less expensive) essentially set it to autopilot, and then hyperdrive it through. It just makes everything else about space combat in the Star Wars universe more or less redundant.
 
I will never forgive The Last Jedi for introducing hyperdrive mass torpedos into the Star Wars canon
I wonder If that was always an option why didn't they just ram a small trasnsport trough the flagship from the get go, instead of having the whole movie?
 
Hyperdrive ramming was fine and works TBO.


The problem is several fold:

A) why haven’t they done this ever before in the Star Wars Universe. They have droids that could have steered the ship if not even the ship’s computer/AI - no human had to be involved as a sacrifice. Are we to believe the purple haired general was the first person to think of this tactic? It could have solved so many problems from every previous SW movie. Any Empire or Resistance force could be destroyed by a single ship. The concept breaks down the entire premise of every other storyline in the series. Just put a hyperdrive on a missile, or even a cement block. Why does the Empire even need to build a DeathStar? If the general was the first person to think about it, it better revolutionize the combat in every single future movie in Star Wars.

B) How can one ship shred the entire Empire fleet? —- cutting them all in half. It would have destroyed the first ship (and itself) in the collision, and then been nothing but unpilotable debris without nav capability —— yet it continues through perfect coordinated navigation to destroy all ships.

Stupid. Even to casual fans of the SW movies.
 
This crotchety old man puppet reviewer sums up the new SW Disney movies well: (NSFW due to language)

The Force Awakens


The Last Jedi



——-


Rogue One


SOLO
 
The problem is several fold:

A) why haven’t they done this ever before in the Star Wars Universe. They have droids that could have steered the ship if not even the ship’s computer/AI - no human had to be involved as a sacrifice. Are we to believe the purple haired general was the first person to think of this tactic? It could have solved so many problems from every previous SW movie. Any Empire or Resistance force could be destroyed by a single ship. The concept breaks down the entire premise of every other storyline in the series. Just put a hyperdrive on a missile, or even a cement block. Why does the Empire even need to build a DeathStar? If the general was the first person to think about it, it better revolutionize the combat in every single future movie in Star Wars.

B) How can one ship shred the entire Empire fleet? —- cutting them all in half. It would have destroyed the first ship (and itself) in the collision, and then been nothing but unpilotable debris without nav capability —— yet it continues through perfect coordinated navigation to destroy all ships.

Stupid. Even to casual fans of the SW movies.

Disney isn’t making Star Wars movies. They’re making Marvel movies with Star Wars skins. I personally think the Marvel movies are garbage and I refuse to see them, and it is very obvious Disney is applying the Marvel formula to Star Wars.
 
I personally find it very easy to not put any emotion whatsoever into the Star Wars franchise. Just view every film as its own separate entity. Just because every movie since RotJ has been a disappointment doesn't stop the first three movies from being a magical experience and a great childhood memory for us. Don't allow these tepid cash grabs diminish what is good. Don't follow franchises. Just because you like one Marvel movie doesn't mean you have to like them all. That's fanboyism and there's no worse way to set yourself up for disappointment.
 
This crotchety old man puppet reviewer sums up the new SW Disney movies well: (NSFW due to language)

The Force Awakens


The Last Jedi



——-


Rogue One


SOLO

I cried a little in learning how some of these movies would have been much better in the original direction. RO was going to be like a Star Wars apocalypse now? That could have been incredible.
 
When we're talking about a fictional world, the laws of "fuel" and all that works just because it needs to - it doesn't have to be backed up by the science of anything.

As far as the HD scene, that's can be countered with the use of mass drivers - the ships that can product enough mass to fool a hyperdrive system to bring it out of warp. I'm sure the imperial fleet is keen on ramping up the production of those ships following that fight.

But again. Fictional world, Light sabers. It works because it's cool.
 
would/could you define the 'noun' SJW .


they , erm , them , erm, it, I guess?, never are ( responsible that is )


...again please describe what you are ascribing a noun status. What is SJW , in your opinion ?


.is "SJW" a 'topic'? that is defined by how it reduces everyone to 'the lowest common denominator' ? , and if so how, and more importantly why ( remember you said EVERYONE )


the internet DOES NOT THINK FOR IT's SELF, IS NOT A SINGLE ENTITY AND HAS NO CAPACITY FOR COGNITION SELF AWARENESS OR SENSE OF SELF ( let alone the ability to judge )


Please quote sources for this assertion.


Ahh , an admission: lazy writing, poor character, "bad CASTING" (?) are ( by non-insane people ) associated with the things/people that create them; KK , JJ RUIN Johnson ( and igor ) have glaringly , unwaveringly and repeatedly embarrassed, very publicly , a political postion that aligns 1:1 with a radical , extremist far left political agenda which caused the creation of " lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting "


are you sure that word means what you think it means ?


traditions are things that have stood the test of time for hundreds ( and some cases; thousands ) of years, will the policies that brought the abomination that is TLJ be revered even one year from now let alone historically?

Don't get me wrong, " lazy writing, or poor character, bad casting " are why movies fail, that much is obvious to 5 year olds, but how those things get through the checks and balances of one of the highest profile fanchises is bound to have one asking why?

First, go back to Reddit.

Second, anyone that argues symantics while ignoring context deserves a kick in the crotch.
 
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When we're talking about a fictional world, the laws of "fuel" and all that works just because it needs to - it doesn't have to be backed up by the science of anything.

As far as the HD scene, that's can be countered with the use of mass drivers - the ships that can product enough mass to fool a hyperdrive system to bring it out of warp. I'm sure the imperial fleet is keen on ramping up the production of those ships following that fight.

But again. Fictional world, Light sabers. It works because it's cool.

Even fictional worlds have rules. The key to creating a good fictional world is establishing rules to that world and sticking to them. Any and all narrative tension is lost if the author makes shit up all the time and abandons any rules that have already been laid out. Space flight has existed for THOUSANDS of years in the Star Wars universe. There is zero chance that Holdo was the first person to use that tactic. Which means it would be something well known to military commanders, which means it is something that the First Order would have planned for. Warp dampeners exist in the Star Wars universe. As much as "the rule or cool" can apply to action scenes, it is still utter bullshit in the context of the Star Wars universe.
 
Even fictional worlds have rules. The key to creating a good fictional world is establishing rules to that world and sticking to them. Any and all narrative tension is lost if the author makes shit up all the time and abandons any rules that have already been laid out. Space flight has existed for THOUSANDS of years in the Star Wars universe. There is zero chance that Holdo was the first person to use that tactic. Which means it would be something well known to military commanders, which means it is something that the First Order would have planned for. Warp dampeners exist in the Star Wars universe. As much as "the rule or cool" can apply to action scenes, it is still utter bullshit in the context of the Star Wars universe.

They literally broke the Star Wars universe with that single action imo
 
Add me to the 'Disney crapped on my childhood' list
/and I thought the prequels were bad... then they hit bedrock and dug in deeper
 
It also fascinates me how some in different positions get away with some mayor stuff.
Why has she been getting away with costs overruns?.. cost overrun in RO, and mayor cost overrun in Solo.
One of these alone, even with awesome movies done, should have done her in.
I get it is you are the owner or something, of course, I don't get it when you are an employee.
How many here can say, HEY! I have gotten away with cost overruns in projects, to the tune of nearly double!
How many here on the other hand, know you have to milk and justify every cent... go on your knees to have a proper budget approved to begin with... and count your lucky stars you did not get it slashed in half because management (how often no explanation?)
Shit, she was getting away with murder financially... let alone the terrible movies produced.
 
Hyperspace jumps are affected by gravity wells in the EU. This is why things like planets and stars were meant to be avoided, and there were even ships that created their own gravity wells to pull other ships out of hyperspace or prevent them from achieving it. If there is even a transition moment, it is almost certainly limited to a distance of only meters rather than tens of or hundreds of kilometers like we witnessed in The Last Jedi. The character interactions were fucking horrendous and general physics nonsense was laughable, but they don't literally upend the entire star wars universe by negating the seriousness of every major space event by introducing an enormous plot device that would have regularly ended every single space conflict ever in the entire franchise

I'm well aware of the interdictor class Star Destroyers and what they do. They were made canon again in Star Wars Rebels. I understand where you are coming from though.

I didn’t until I thought about it and had to ask myself if that was all that had to be done in order to defeat a super capital ship, than why not just do that in the first place? Why bother engaging a massive, powerful, super capital ship in conventional combat, risking men and war materiel when all you have to do is take a much smaller ship (and far less expensive) essentially set it to autopilot, and then hyperdrive it through. It just makes everything else about space combat in the Star Wars universe more or less redundant.

I think conventional combat would probably still make sense more often than not, but against super slow ships you would have a point. Not to mention, you could build larger torpedoes with hyperdrives in them that would do the job. It would fundamentally change warfare in the Star Wars universe. Hyperdrive missiles would require gravity wells to defeat, there is a physical design change that we can see on ships that have that feature.

The problem is several fold:

A) why haven’t they done this ever before in the Star Wars Universe. They have droids that could have steered the ship if not even the ship’s computer/AI - no human had to be involved as a sacrifice. Are we to believe the purple haired general was the first person to think of this tactic? It could have solved so many problems from every previous SW movie. Any Empire or Resistance force could be destroyed by a single ship. The concept breaks down the entire premise of every other storyline in the series. Just put a hyperdrive on a missile, or even a cement block. Why does the Empire even need to build a DeathStar? If the general was the first person to think about it, it better revolutionize the combat in every single future movie in Star Wars.

B) How can one ship shred the entire Empire fleet? —- cutting them all in half. It would have destroyed the first ship (and itself) in the collision, and then been nothing but unpilotable debris without nav capability —— yet it continues through perfect coordinated navigation to destroy all ships.

Stupid. Even to casual fans of the SW movies.

A.) You aren't wrong. I said as much above once I thought about that more.
B.) I don't recall it going down exactly like that, but I haven't seen it in awhile.

The thing is, while I see the point made here by many of you, I'm still going to go out on a limb as say it's not the biggest problem in that part of the movie by a long shot. It's an issue, that's for sure but not the biggest one.
 
At least they didn't double down and ruin the Han Solo orgin movie.


Well, I don't see how they could've 'ruined' an already mediocre flick. Of course, it could've been a far worse movie than it already is, but it's still a turd nonetheless.
 
Never understood this. Star Wars is not science fiction, but science fantasy. It was never about accurate space physics. That's for Trekkies.

There are far more egregious issues with the plot and infection of politics to the SW universe than some implausible technology.

JJ Abrams already ruined physics in Star Trek. Doesn't surprise me he did it for Star Wars as well.
 
I think Star Wars needs some real competition... If only a heavyhitter would get the rights to make movies with Metroid.. i mean kickass movies, not b movie shit.. it can be done AND it already has a female lead no one hasn't minded for decades. But it has to be good, you cannot short change Samus Aran.
 
I think I've stopped investing in movie franchises for a long time.
Matrix ruined it for me.
Now I just take each movie as it comes and hope for the best, but don't get distraught if its bad.

All the chat about the Hyperdrive missile and bombers...my take on it
Ship smashing into Smoaks ship transitioning into hyperspace and large chunks of what broke off were still super accelerated and smashed into some other crusiers (not all were destroyed)
Bombers ...kinda stupid in the first place, unless they were built for atmospheric bombing runs, however used in the context they were used, That huge ship would have had a significant gravity well which would have made dropping bombs on it easy I would have thought
 
I think I've stopped investing in movie franchises for a long time.
Matrix ruined it for me.
Now I just take each movie as it comes and hope for the best, but don't get distraught if its bad.

All the chat about the Hyperdrive missile and bombers...my take on it
Ship smashing into Smoaks ship transitioning into hyperspace and large chunks of what broke off were still super accelerated and smashed into some other crusiers (not all were destroyed)
Bombers ...kinda stupid in the first place, unless they were built for atmospheric bombing runs, however used in the context they were used, That huge ship would have had a significant gravity well which would have made dropping bombs on it easy I would have thought
I guess franchises for me get ruined in a case by case basis... Terminator was ruined for me after T2 .. Star Wars, was not ruined for me until Disney... I was more of blind fan for Terminator than SW, but it doesn't mean I will just eat whatever crap. I didn't like TFA at all, and its been downhill from there.. I sincerely struggle to see a single positive in Disney's garbage, and it boggles my mind they made so much money.. I get it.. its just movies, but SW doesn't even rank up to good fast food, like Marvels, and sadly to me SW could have touched a lot of serious shit of good and evil, even about religion, sacrifice... There is a lot of shit there to play to the audience, yes in a simplish way perhaps, but they could play into some meaninful human values too besides the action. Shit the show Supernatural does a better job of working with values and religion than these new SW movies.. and yes the old movies played some of these issues quite well.... Rambling off.
 
The problem is several fold:

A) why haven’t they done this ever before in the Star Wars Universe. They have droids that could have steered the ship if not even the ship’s computer/AI - no human had to be involved as a sacrifice. Are we to believe the purple haired general was the first person to think of this tactic? It could have solved so many problems from every previous SW movie. Any Empire or Resistance force could be destroyed by a single ship. The concept breaks down the entire premise of every other storyline in the series. Just put a hyperdrive on a missile, or even a cement block. Why does the Empire even need to build a DeathStar? If the general was the first person to think about it, it better revolutionize the combat in every single future movie in Star Wars.

B) How can one ship shred the entire Empire fleet? —- cutting them all in half. It would have destroyed the first ship (and itself) in the collision, and then been nothing but unpilotable debris without nav capability —— yet it continues through perfect coordinated navigation to destroy all ships.

Stupid. Even to casual fans of the SW movies.

Holdo sacrificed herself cause she was an idiot \ dumb as rocks along with most of the other characters in that movie. She was one of the worst SW characters. Between her and Jar Jar, I'm not sure which was worse. But ya, those scenes were really lame.
 
It is good she is stepping down, but under Disney's control, I am not convinced her replacement will be any better.

For those going on and on about the physics in Star Wars, you will forever be upset. SW is Space Opera Fantasy not hardcore SciFi, it never has, and may never care about actual physics.
 
I'm surprised they didn't make Han Solo Bisexual, and *only* Leia turned him straight again..... Wouldn't have surprised me in this day and age. :cry:
 
I'm surprised they didn't make Han Solo Bisexual, and *only* Leia turned him straight again..... Wouldn't have surprised me in this day and age. :cry:

Technically according to the LGBT community, he wouldn't be straight, he would still be Bi.
 
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