Rumor: AMD Launching Vega 20 on 7nm with 32GB HBM2 at Computex 2018

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According to one of TweakTown’s sources, AMD will be launching their refreshed Vega 20 this week during Computex 2018. The card is made on the new 7nm node and comes with up to 32GB of HBM2.

If you were expecting a new Radeon RX Vega graphics card for the consumer market and gamers, think again: Vega 20 with 32GB of HBM2 on 7nm will be for the professional/workstation markets. My source didn't tell me the price but did say it would be “expensive.”
 
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AMD was very clear that they had no gaming GPU refresh or new launch in 2018, and to be honest that's the smart move, not only pro segment brings more cash, but also not launching a gpu sku of the card that could be destroyed by the competition isn't a good look for the pro segment, so a new card that isn't tested or tainted by loosing desktop benchmarks might be easier to sell.
 
I'm so disappointed with this generation of GPU's being strung out, for what seems like an eternity. Obviously this new AMD card might be good news for some professionals, but for consumers this long drought of no new GPU's is unbearable. Especially considering that to buy a GTX 1080 will cost you between $549.99 and $619.99, and it's over two years old!!
 
homernoy said:
I'm so disappointed with this generation of GPU's being strung out, for what seems like an eternity. Obviously this new AMD card might be good news for some professionals, but for consumers this long drought of no new GPU's is unbearable. Especially considering that to buy a GTX 1080 will cost you between $549.99 and $619.99, and it's over two years old!!
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by the look of it, lisa wants to do the same thing they did with Ryzen, secure enough engineers and resources for a GPU arch and take their time to bring a solid product.
if one thing Ryzen did, is prove that years of drought won't matter if the final product is worth it, and might even be better for PR to go from 0 to 60 with one launch, than doing it with 10 launchs
 
Going with the professional market now is a smart move. More profits to get my stocks up.

No need to bring out a gaming card since they're selling everything they make and probably still short on HBM.

When the crypto market collapses, then it would be a good time to bring out the 7mm vega for gamers.
 
homernoy said:
I'm so disappointed with this generation of GPU's being strung out, for what seems like an eternity. Obviously this new AMD card might be good news for some professionals, but for consumers this long drought of no new GPU's is unbearable. Especially considering that to buy a GTX 1080 will cost you between $549.99 and $619.99, and it's over two years old!!
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The reason being is that demand has been so outrageously high due to mining that they didn't need to spend money launching new cards to make all time record profits. The only market that really still needs some oomph is the max settings 4k 60fps crowd that still can't get their sweet spot with a 1080ti. If that is what you're looking for, you'll probably be waiting for a cut down 1180ti launches to get the frames you would want. Otherwise, there's a card that fits every single performance metric a consumer could want, and priced accordingly.

However I will agree that it seems that the actual gamers have been getting completely shafted by being Nvidia loyal customers. They clearly haven't done anything to make their cards more affordable to gamers, other than selling them for the jacked MSRP on their website. Which doesn't really do anything for gamers realistically since anyone can set up accounts and buy them out. They pretty much skipped the gpu refresh last year, and are only going to be launching a part that AMD will hope to compete with in 2h 2019, something Nvidia could have done last year if they wanted to. Judging by the bullshit GPP, they really have no regard for (sheep) consumers.
 
oldmanbal said:
The only market that really still needs some oomph is the max settings 4k 60fps crowd that still can't get their sweet spot with a 1080ti.
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My 1080Ti- running high sustained clocks!- isn't enough for 1440p165. It's certainly not enough for 4k144 or next-gen VR sets. And that's just with current games. Yes, we can definitely use more speed.

oldmanbal said:
They clearly haven't done anything to make their cards more affordable to gamers
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I've been pleasantly surprised at how low Nvidia has kept their MSRPs given AMD running about 2 years behind. Especially given the prices that they know people are willing to pay.
 
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Would be kind of crazy if AMD releases 7nm node before Nvidia. Shit if they do release it, that would even be before Intel hit 10nm. AMD is really stepping up its game lately.
 
spintroniX said:
Which libraries can leverage AMD hardware though? Aren't most optimized for CUDA?
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AMD supports OpenCL.

Cuda is proprietary junk.

Having said that most pro users base which GPU to go with on the software they are using. Most support both these days, some only support one or the other.

Nvidia has paid support $ to a handful of software vendors to help them out such as Adobe (although most adobe products work well with opencl as well).

AMD Intel and Apple however are all big OpenCL pushers as you would expect. Apple sells a pro machine with Radeon Pro graphics which is believe it or not more popular then a lot of people not in pro video circles would expect. Final Cut pro is very popular and 100% opencl, Final cut has been used to edit plenty of movies such as girl with the dragon tattoo, No country for old men, burn after reading, 300 and many more.

In the end though pro customers don't really care cuda or open cl as long as they can do what they need.

If their software has top notch Cuda support that swings the decision clearly.
If their main software has opencl support they mostly buy AMD, Nvidias opencl support is getting better but AMD still destroys them for the most part in opencl. That and the Radeon Pros tend to be far better bang for the buck... and in the video editing fields the Radeon Pro SSG cards are unmatched. Hopefully this new 7nm Radeon Pro will have a SSG packing version.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I've been pleasantly surprised at how low Nvidia has kept their MSRPs given AMD running about 2 years behind. Especially given the prices that they know people are willing to pay.
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Honestly, me too. A dirt-bag, lick their chops Co. like Nvidia, I would have expected they would have gleefully fuck everyone they could.
I guess it would have just been too damning to their image if they tried that BS with their record. But we all know they wanted to. Oh they so wanted to. Mmright?
 
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funkydmunky said:
Honestly, me too. A dirt-bag, lick their chops Co. like Nvidia, I would have expected they would have gleefully fuck everyone they could.
I guess it would have just been too damning to their image if they tried that BS with their record. But we all know they wanted to. Oh they so wanted to. Mmright?
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But they did... they are still charging the same price for the same silicon 2 years in. No doubt those chips cost them far less now. Why raise the price.... just drag the generation out another year or two or three if you can. Every manufacturing cycle brings the cost down.
 
ChadD said:
But they did... they are still charging the same price for the same silicon 2 years in. No doubt those chips cost them far less now. Why raise the price.... just drag the generation out another year or two or three if you can. Every manufacturing cycle brings the cost down.
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Sure. But it is an open market. There are no rules for lowering your price because of age of a product. Either a free market buys it or they do not.
 
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funkydmunky said:
Sure. But it is an open market. There are no rules for lowering your price because of age of a product. Either a free market buys it or they do not.
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Not blaming them. Just saying holding the MSRP isn't to be applauded, good business sure... but they are making more profit. There is no rush for Nvidia to drop another non pro video generation.

What we really need is a third player in the consumer GPU market. That isn't because I believe AMDs product is lesser... its just a 2 way race doesn't push either really.
 
ChadD said:
Not blaming them. Just saying holding the MSRP isn't to be applauded, good business sure... but they are making more profit. There is no rush for Nvidia to drop another non pro video generation.

What we really need is a third player in the consumer GPU market. That isn't because I believe AMDs product is lesser... its just a 2 way race doesn't push either really.
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Just like AMD, they are selling every card with a back order. Neither are lowering their MSRP. In fact Idiotincharge was apparently quite impressed that Nvidia didn't raise the MSRP. Maybe you should have a word with him?
 
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funkydmunky said:
Just like AMD, they are selling every card with a back order. Neither are lowering their MSRP. In fact Idiotincharge was apparently quite impressed that Nvidia didn't raise the MSRP. Maybe you should have a word with him?
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Exactly why we need a third player. 2 players get comfortable with their positions and stop really driving. Yes I agree AMD and Nvidia both are fine with the state of things right now they are both selling cards as fast as they can make them at the price they are asking. No need to discount or really do much of anything until they start getting stuck with stock.
 
Well this is no surprise to anyone following AMD. But couldn't tweak town do something more then suggest
My source didn't tell me the price but did say it would be 'expensive' and that it would be announced during AMD's own Computex 2018 press conference which kicks off on Wednesday morning.
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Maybe next time people at tweak town can ask some relevant questions as "where is Navi?". Navi might also skip the consumer market.
 
Brackle said:
Would be kind of crazy if AMD releases 7nm node before Nvidia. Shit if they do release it, that would even be before Intel hit 10nm. AMD is really stepping up its game lately.
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Intel is looking at 1H 2020 before they release high core count chips on 10nm.
 
Nolan7689 said:
7nm node eh? That’ll be nice to see, current cards are on 12/14 right?
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Current gen (AMD and Ngreedia) use either 14nm (12nm if include APU) for AMD RX 4xx/5xx/Vega from GloFo/Samsung/IBM (buddies)
or 16/14nm from TSMC/Samsung for Nvidia Pascal

Pascal is claimed 14nm as well though not 100% sure which model does or does not use such as they TSMC/Samsung/Nvidia have an agreement to "shrink" some of them down to the smaller node.

seems that at least some of the 1030-1050Ti desktop and MX GT1030 to MX1050Ti use the 14nm as well
 
Remember that time when Nvidia and ATI used to duke it out for consumers money and we were the winners. MAN those were the days. The GPU war is pure shit and has been for years. I have faith tho that AMD will be competitive on the financial front AND performance front again
 
don't worry AMD will make their usual nonexistent driver like the missing up to date mobile vega drivers.....
 
oldmanbal said:
The reason being is that demand has been so outrageously high due to mining that they didn't need to spend money launching new cards to make all time record profits. The only market that really still needs some oomph is the max settings 4k 60fps crowd that still can't get their sweet spot with a 1080ti. If that is what you're looking for, you'll probably be waiting for a cut down 1180ti launches to get the frames you would want. Otherwise, there's a card that fits every single performance metric a consumer could want, and priced accordingly.

However I will agree that it seems that the actual gamers have been getting completely shafted by being Nvidia loyal customers. They clearly haven't done anything to make their cards more affordable to gamers, other than selling them for the jacked MSRP on their website. Which doesn't really do anything for gamers realistically since anyone can set up accounts and buy them out. They pretty much skipped the gpu refresh last year, and are only going to be launching a part that AMD will hope to compete with in 2h 2019, something Nvidia could have done last year if they wanted to. Judging by the bullshit GPP, they really have no regard for (sheep) consumers.
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I am going to guess that NVIDIA is actually quite scared of AMD. 'Gaming' is a much tinier segment of their overall market. Workstations, servers, etc, are where the money is at. I believe NVIDIA forsee's the competition from AMD becoming much steeper in this department than it already is.

GPP was a desperate move. NVIDIA is absolutely worried.
 
ph0ng said:
I am going to guess that NVIDIA is actually quite scared of AMD. 'Gaming' is a much tinier segment of their overall market. Workstations, servers, etc, are where the money is at. I believe NVIDIA forsee's the competition from AMD becoming much steeper in this department than it already is.

GPP was a desperate move. NVIDIA is absolutely worried.
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Maybe do some actual research to see how much Nvidia gets from gaming because it sure as hell is not tiny. And you are hilarious thinking Nvidia has any real reason to worry about AMD in any segment for the foreseeable future.
 
misterbobby said:
Maybe do some actual research to see how much Nvidia gets from gaming because it sure as hell is not tiny. And you are hilarious thinking Nvidia has any real reason to worry about AMD in any segment for the foreseeable future.
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This.

Nvidia's GPP was actually a preemptive move against Intel. AMD was just beneficial collateral damage.

With mining, neither AMD nor Nvidia are competing with each other. They can sell two-year-old silicon without ever reducing its price, and their fabs are pretty much becoming money printers.

Until DRAM prices fall back in line with reality and Mining is taken over by ASICs, GPUs are going to be expensive and sold out.
 
KazeoHin said:
This.

Nvidia's GPP was actually a preemptive move against Intel. AMD was just beneficial collateral damage.

With mining, neither AMD nor Nvidia are competing with each other. They can sell two-year-old silicon without ever reducing its price, and their fabs are pretty much becoming money printers.

Until DRAM prices fall back in line with reality and Mining is taken over by ASICs, GPUs are going to be expensive and sold out.
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You two are talking out your asses. Intel has a dream of breaking into the GPU market, if even the 'gaming' market. It is far off. GPP was designed directly to attack AMD NOW, so we can surmise that NVIDIA feels threatened. Also, I dunno what graphs you are looking at, but gaming is a small segment. It looks like NVIDIA trying to dig their heels in on the tiniest portion of the pie, because they don't think they have much chance in the bigger picture moving forward.

'GPP was actually a preemptive move against Intel.'

Haha, do you really think this?!
 
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Couple years old, but unless things have changed their best segment is in the datacenter, followed by gaming.

AMD isn't super competitive in the gaming segment, but it's doing well in midrange gaming at least. AMD would like to do better in the datacenter, but currently they're competing more in the CPU space there than GPU. Intel wants all the pie, of course.

Err, reading flop. Datacenter had the most growth, but gaming was biggest segment, unless I'm reading wrong still...
 
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Spidey329 said:
Yeah, 32Gb is a huge step up it you deal with large datasets.

Nvidia has what, 12Gb?
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Yes, the Titan X (Maxwell) I have has 12GB. To be fair, you can scale down as the memory / processing units (CUDA Cores) ratio will be consistent. Though modern CUDA now treats the GPU memory as a giant cache.

spintroniX said:
Which libraries can leverage AMD hardware though? Aren't most optimized for CUDA?
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There are lots of CUDA libraries moreover there are plenty of libraries for AMD/Intel hardware. (Understandability you can find more resources for CUDA than OpenCL.) You can go to GPUOPen.com, Intels website for their libraries, or check a GitHub fork of the library you want for an OpenCL version. (Tensorflow has one.) In general, you do not need them to leverage the hardware depending on your role. I am a programmer/software engineer, I am not a Data Scientist, Academic Researched etc. and vice versa for others.
 
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