“Star Wars”: Boba Fett Movie in the Works with James Mangold

sfsuphysics said:
Pretty sure Disney would disagree with your assessment as they count the 1.3+ billion in ticket sales they had for the Last Jedi, they just finished counting the 2 billion from The Force Awakens, and the even the 1+ billion from Rogue One.
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None of the movies were a failure, but Solo is not looking too hot right now. Day-for-day Solo is coming in far under the other Disney Star Wars movies. It is currently sitting at around 71m less domestically and 142m less worldwide than Rogue One's opening. Even accounting for the extra long weekend for the US, the numbers are still going to be pretty abysmal. Considering the insane amount of extra cost that went into Solo (likely making it the most expensive Star Wars movie by over 5m) Disney is not going to be making back their production and marketing budget solely from ticket sales any time soon, if ever. If merch numbers (the thing Disney really cares about) are not that hot either then Solo might become the first Star Wars movie to ever under perform.
 
Solo under performing imo very likely has to do with the nostalgia force.

Read a lot from people that just want to hate any new star wars stuff cause they wanted something different. The majority of the decent coming from people that haven't seen the new movie.

I get it.. I'm old myself and in my life I don't even want to think about how many times I have watched SW and Empire heck even ROTJ. If I counted the number of hours burned it would be scary. Really though I think all us old geezers need to relax and remember who these movies are aimed at. All the nods that are supposed to tickle your nostalgia spot are extras. Solo like the other SW flicks is no doubt a kids / young adult affair. Rouge one is the outlier in that it was clearly aimed at an older audience. (it makes me wonder if the first Solo directors where going to much kid fun... and Howard was brought on to make it more like Rouge one ? I found the balance fine myself if that is what Howard brought in to do.)

I took my 14 year old daughter. She has seen and loves all the old movies as well... but she has not watched them over and over and over. My daughter 10s after the credits told me she loved young Han.

It took me half the movie to accept Ehrenreich... although Glover got me in 2s with his spot on Billy Dee voice (his performance isn't just an impression) really though he nailed the voice so hard even if you are a badge carrying officer of the nostalgia force hes got you. Ehrenreich did turn in a good performance though... took me awhile to not see his performance as an impression but by middle and final acts he sold it, I liked what he did. It was a huge task and he did as good a job as you could expect.

In any event ... I liked The last Jedi too and thought the Nostalgia force was way to harsh. Even if I understood what they where getting at.

Solo is better then the wine I have heard... its a decent SW film. If any of us are expecting a lean mean classic like Empire ever again get over it... billion dollar Disney empire type movies are never going to be that again. And our kids in 30 years will be the next gen nostalgia force for all the eventual Marvel Reboots... but at least for now we can take our young ones to passable star wars fun instead of having to sit through the shlock young adult book turned to film of the week.
 
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I really liked Rogue One. Seems like Solo isn't doing as well. Honestly though, is that what most Star Wars fans wanted? More Han Solo and Boba Fett stuff?
 
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Flogger23m said:
I really liked Rogue One. Seems like Solo isn't doing as well. Honestly though, is that what most Star Wars fans wanted? More Han Solo and Boba Fett stuff?
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Ya not really. I have no idea why don't go old republic or some other time frame far way from 4 5 6. SW with completely new settings, politics, characters... and no groan worthy heavy handed explanations of every little minute detail of the original trilogy.
 
ChadD said:
Solo under performing imo very likely has to do with the nostalgia force.
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I doubt this greatly. Mainly because Disney is making and marketing these movies using the nostalgia to sell them. The Force Awakens is the perfect example. Would that movie have been even remotely successful if it hadn't been a Star Wars movie with Star Wars characters? If you took the exact same "plot" and made that movie with some sort of brand new IP would there have been any real chance of it being successful. I think it would have bombed and been forgotten almost immediately. That and The Last Jedi are running purely on nostalgia. I'm no fan of the prequels but at least they were telling a coherent story.

Rogue One was also based on nostalgia but they did that movie correctly. It didn't require half a cast of characters we already knew to carry it. That movie was telling the story behind a small but important plot point which kicked off everything Star Wars.

Solo is running on pure nostalgia and the characters are what matters. I haven't seen the movie but everything about it screams that it's all about younger versions of characters we already know. The draw of the movie is about specific characters. Even all of the marketing is about the characters. The movie isn't about telling a story and that's the first place it went wrong. The movie is made purely on nostalgia and banking on nostalgia.

To blame a "nostalgia force" for the lackluster box office is disingenuous. The blame falls squarely on Disney for making the movie and basing it on nostalgia but not getting it right. If the Fett movie goes forward it's almost guaranteed to meet the same fate. Disney needs to make movies for telling a story or a continuation of a story for the sake of the story. Making movies with half assed attempts at stories while pushing nostalgia to fill seats can only take you so far. It also hurts in the long run because once the nostalgia characters are gone (which has basically already happened) you don't have a story to continue to build on.
 
Yet another male orientated film, which the PC brigade can destroy.

I swear there is a plot by women in Hollywood to take all the male franchises and totally fuck them up beyond repair. Just because of petty jealousy.
 
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To blame a "nostalgia force" for the lackluster box office is disingenuous. The blame falls squarely on Disney for making the movie and basing it on nostalgia but not getting it right. If the Fett movie goes forward it's almost guaranteed to meet the same fate. Disney needs to make movies for telling a story or a continuation of a story for the sake of the story. Making movies with half assed attempts at stories while pushing nostalgia to fill seats can only take you so far. It also hurts in the long run because once the nostalgia characters are gone (which has basically already happened) you don't have a story to continue to build on.
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That's sort of my point. A lot of people are staying away imo because they believe its a pure nostalgia play and they don't wanna see a Han reboot. The "not my Han" excuse.

Its actually a very decent movie in its own right. Its a young adult heist flick with a SW back drop and a bunch of nostalgia tips for us geezers. No its not citizen kane, the story is decent as far as SW movies go. The guys playing Han Chewy and Lando are all spot on... but Woody Harrelson does a great job as Becket... Thandi Newton is in Solo and her character Val is cool the movie could have used more of her and a lot more of her in the marketing shes hot right now with Westworld airing every Sunday. Emilia Clark I have to say was just ok... I think her few min of fame are passing. Could have used more Newton and less Clark. lol

I have some quibbles with it and I will say the first act could be better. Really though it was a fun movie, and as good as any other tent pole blockbuster, as long as you don't let the "this isn't my Han" in.
 
I got Last Jedi on 4k Blu for $10 over a month ago... its been sitting on my coffee table because I just don't have even the slightest shred of interest in watching it. I remember when i was a kid.. and the trailers and previews for Empire started to show... my heart practical jumped out of my chest... Return... same.. that was the last time I got truly excited in anticipation of a Star Wars film... I still get the feeling...... but its mostly been for Marvel Films...

Still get kinda teary eyed watching films too... Coco was the most recent.

When I hear someone gush about how great these new Star Wars films are... I ignore the urge to round-house slap them and simply take pity on them... they have no idea what they missed, and they are more then welcome to feed at the slop trough of garbage Disney offers them via the Star Wars franchise.
 
Dead Parrot said:
Don't really see the point to a Fett movie. What's next, "Star Wars Nature Documentary - The Life Cycle of the Womp Rat"?
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actually you know what would've been cool, is if they would've went the "deadpool" route and made it rated R!!? like have some of these offshoots aimed at adults.? should've started it w/ solo though and we could've seen him like, scoring with super hot space chicks!! :greyalien:
 
ChadD said:
Solo under performing imo very likely has to do with the nostalgia force.
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I think it is more complex than that. General audiences do not give a damn about what Star Wars fans think and whether or not they go to the movies. A lot of Star Wars fans hated Last Jedi yet the movie still made a shit load of money. I think the release date is one of the biggest things working against Solo right now. May was a very bad time to release the movie. Kennedy has been pushing for May releases since Disney bought Lucas and had them start on new Star Wars movies and it has always been a terrible idea. This year even more so. Within the last month we've seen both Infinity War and Deadpool 2 launch. With Solo that is now three major movies releasing within four weeks all with massive marketing campaigns. That is a lot of audience fatigue. On top of that, it has only been five months since Last Jedi launched. So there is likely a lot of Star Wars fatigue going on as well. The movie never really seemed to generate a lot of buzz in the first place and then Lucasfilm goes and spends over $250m just on production. I'm willing to bet that if they had launched in December, like the last three movies, they would have had a better release weekend.
 
Derangel said:
I think it is more complex than that. General audiences do not give a damn about what Star Wars fans think and whether or not they go to the movies. A lot of Star Wars fans hated Last Jedi yet the movie still made a shit load of money. I think the release date is one of the biggest things working against Solo right now. May was a very bad time to release the movie. Kennedy has been pushing for May releases since Disney bought Lucas and had them start on new Star Wars movies and it has always been a terrible idea. This year even more so. Within the last month we've seen both Infinity War and Deadpool 2 launch. With Solo that is now three major movies releasing within four weeks all with massive marketing campaigns. That is a lot of audience fatigue. On top of that, it has only been five months since Last Jedi launched. So there is likely a lot of Star Wars fatigue going on as well. The movie never really seemed to generate a lot of buzz in the first place and then Lucasfilm goes and spends over $250m just on production. I'm willing to bet that if they had launched in December, like the last three movies, they would have had a better release weekend.
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Part of the push for a 4/5 month release cycle for SW movies, is the need to maintain visual presence to help re-enforce tie-in market share. It helps them push all that crap they sling from toilet paper & holders to Legos. Market presence likely accounts for a HUGE amount of income, and they aren't going to jeopardize that just because a movie isn't making as much as other films are. Besides, ticket sales have largely become irrelevant in light of the home video market profitability.
 
Oh god the fucking star wars fanbois in here. Jesus get over it already.
Solo is ok...3.5/5 I think
Rogue One is their best one yet
Let em make more and more. They'll get some right and some wrong

Y'all think the originals are great, but you really look at them they are kinda shit as well...we just all love them too much to see them as anything else
 
A smuggler and a thief is not the same thing. No idea why Disney portrayed Han as a thief.

As for Boba Fett, if it is Rated R then it could be bad ass. After all, he does like to disintegrate people.
 
The original movies were cliche riddled trite. Does not mean they were not a lot of fun to watch. People are taking these movies way too seriously. Seems it is "hate for the sake of hate" thing, because it is cool to do so.

I am not crazy about the casting choice for Han, but the rest of the cast were awesome. The story was good, the action paced well, and there was a good mix of humor and drama. It was as fun to watch as the originals.
 
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Part of the push for a 4/5 month release cycle for SW movies, is the need to maintain visual presence to help re-enforce tie-in market share. It helps them push all that crap they sling from toilet paper & holders to Legos. Market presence likely accounts for a HUGE amount of income, and they aren't going to jeopardize that just because a movie isn't making as much as other films are. Besides, ticket sales have largely become irrelevant in light of the home video market profitability.
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In 2016 Disney movies brought in over 7 billion dollars to the worldwide box office, over 3b domestically. I'd say ticket sales are still VERY relevant. Theaters will die out eventually, but not for a while yet. Disney may not be concerned whether or not a movie succeeds at the box office, but if people are not seeing the movie or not liking it they're not going to want to rush out and buy the merch related to it. If audiences get Star Wars fatigue than they're much less likely to buy everything with random Star Wars characters slapped on the box. Last Jedi is already an example of this happening. There was not a massive rush to buy TLJ merch. A lot of it was left collecting dust on shelves and ended up going on clearance pretty quickly in some stores. If Disney does try to pump out 2-3 Star Wars movies a year it will kill the brand within a few years. People will get sick of it. Star Wars isn't Marvel, its not going to have that kind of audience holding power.

TheOne&OnlyZeke said:
Oh god the fucking star wars fanbois in here. Jesus get over it already.
Solo is ok...3.5/5 I think
Rogue One is their best one yet
Let em make more and more. They'll get some right and some wrong

Y'all think the originals are great, but you really look at them they are kinda shit as well...we just all love them too much to see them as anything else
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The originals have problems. I don't think anyone is going to deny that. However, they are far from behind bad movies. The acting is not great, but the effects are outstanding (for their era), the writing is fun and compelling (even if the lines are not always great), and they are incredibly well directed. The problem is that while the new movies are well directed (I fucking love Gareth Edward's style in Rogue One) they lack a lot of the "magic", for lack of a better term" that the originals had. Force Awakens was not bad, but Abrams fanboy level obsession with Star Wars hurt the movie. He was too focused on being A New Hope, trying to recreate what ANH did and it just didn't work. Still, the movie ended with a lot of interesting plot points to be explored and most of the main cast was left at a point that left a good chance for some decent character development. TLJ did fuck all with any of that and committed one of the worst sins a movie can commit: It was boring. Rogue One, at least, was fun.
 
Maybe people are still trying to wash away the horrible taste The Last Jedi left in their mouths. No way I am paying theater pricing for this. I'll wait for the rental.
 
Not a Star Wars fanboy by any means. I just go to the movies for the spectacle. Light sabers, space ships, all that good shit. I do love the movies. That said, I'm getting tired of the franchise. So many other good sci fi IP out there, no idea why we have to keep rehashing the same old stuff over and over again.
 
Barely have time to breathe between all these SW movies, the way they're just churning them out. I think audience fatigue is definitely a factor, especially considering the recent blockbusters, and TLJ being a let down (not just by the hardcore fanboys either).

The biggest thing might be the marketing for the movie. TLJ had advertisement around 7-8 months in advance, and it was already running on a shorter marketing campaign, compared to TFA, which was advertised from over a year in advance. I don't think I started seeing ads for the Solo movie until about 6 weeks before the movie released.

Also have to wonder if not having Harrison Ford played a part in it. I get the feeling that TLJ does worse if Hamill hadn't had a more prominent role.
 
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sirsad said:
A smuggler and a thief is not the same thing. No idea why Disney portrayed Han as a thief.

As for Boba Fett, if it is Rated R then it could be bad ass. After all, he does like to disintegrate people.
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I'm going to bet you didn't see the movie.

If Han is a thief he may be the worst thief in the universe.
 
U-238 said:
Yea, because the latest movie is doing so well.

Pretty sure the Star Wars cow is about done milked out now. Should've quit when it was ahead (ie: after the first 3 movies).
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I'm left thinking of the Disney execs being the space balls crew chanting the word suck, suck, suck over and over again as the maid sucks up audiences wallets
 
ChadD said:
I'm going to bet you didn't see the movie.

If Han is a thief he may be the worst thief in the universe.
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All he does is still things as a kid. Then he helps (and fails) at stealing the refined hyperfuel. Finally, he helps steal the unrefined hyperfuel.

Yeah, thief and not a smuggler.
 
I'd like to see an adult Star Wars movie - which will never happen. Quentin Tarantino can direct one of them. Maybe the Jabba the Hutt origin story? They can just call it Hutt.
I'm going to take my daughter to see Solo soon. I haven't read anything much about it yet - so it will be a surprise. The Last Jedi was ok - doubt I'll ever watch it again.

Over the weekend, saw Deadpool 2. Nice. It wasn't better than the first one - kind of more of the same in my opinion. That was ok with me. Also recently saw the new Avengers movie. I was not a big fan. IDK, thought it was kind of boring and too many characters? Plus, no Hulk?
 
Stimpy88 said:
Yet another male orientated film, which the PC brigade can destroy.

I swear there is a plot by women in Hollywood to take all the male franchises and totally fuck them up beyond repair. Just because of petty jealousy.
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Well who placed those women in power? And who could possibly be responsible for these Cultural Marxist directives?
So baffling. So, so...... baffling.
 
A hard R Star Wars movie would be hilarious. I remember RLM suggested a Wampa horror movie.
 
steakman1971 said:
I'd like to see an adult Star Wars movie - which will never happen. Quentin Tarantino can direct one of them. Maybe the Jabba the Hutt origin story? They can just call it Hutt.
I'm going to take my daughter to see Solo soon. I haven't read anything much about it yet - so it will be a surprise. The Last Jedi was ok - doubt I'll ever watch it again.

Over the weekend, saw Deadpool 2. Nice. It wasn't better than the first one - kind of more of the same in my opinion. That was ok with me. Also recently saw the new Avengers movie. I was not a big fan. IDK, thought it was kind of boring and too many characters? Plus, no Hulk?
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THIS!!! I feel like the original trilogy was far more edgy back in the day. If you could blend in a little blade runner (the remake) vibe then it would actually be pretty badass. Deadpool level would be a bit much though.
 
I'd personally be heavily interested in seeing a Rule of Two movie focusing on the collapse of the Sith and the emergence of Darth Bane. Make it dark as shit, focus on why and how the Sith tore themselves apart and how the Jedi seized the opportunity and all but destroyed them with Darth Bane being the only survivor. Make the Jedi the bad guys the Sith see them as and flesh out the foundation of Sith lore. Follow it up with another movie on Darth Plagueis, a character that certainly is worthy of a dedicated movie.

I dunno, I just want more than good guys vs bad guys. There's more to explore than that
 
funkydmunky said:
Well who placed those women in power? And who could possibly be responsible for these Cultural Marxist directives?
So baffling. So, so...... baffling.
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Power is taken not given, if you don't understand that by the time your old enough to post on a forum. It shouldn't be baffling that you have none.
 
SmokeRngs said:
Besides, what's the point of focusing the movie on what amounts to a single person? It's a horrible idea as it tends to be very narrow in scope and you're betting all the cards on that single character carrying the movie and the story. One of the reasons I found Rogue One enjoyable overall is because it was more concentrated on the story rather than a specific character. The Star Wars Universe has plenty of stories to tell so I see no point in trying to make a movie about one character with maybe a story attached.
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Well said!! Wish they would concentrate on the story instead of the characters. The Star Wars universe should be huge and full of history. What about all the tragedies? The lost battles, the tales of bravery to battle on despite knowing that you were going to be defeated. Maybe even they could show some stories about the Empire and why it was evil!! Apart from a few crazies at the top, the Empire itself didn't appear to be that bad of place to live!! :)
 
Not that I would want to watch a movie on it, but Clone Wars fleshed out a better bounty hunter in Cad Bane. Clone Wars even went into the development of Boba some in Clone Wars and I don't find him particularly interesting at all since he was just a tag along w/Aurra Sing and her crew.

I agree with others, Ahsoka Tano would be a better story, but Clone Wars got a lot of her story as well aside from her life between leaving the Jedi order and Rebels.
 
Disney didn't pay the right people this time... I just heard a radio dj say it was a piece of crap.
 
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Chewbacca movie in the works along with IG88 and Jabba the Hut.
A Jabba movie would be really intresting to say the least who wouldn't pay money to see how that guy operates. Have him go against Dark Vader and Jabba just kicks his ass throws him in the scarlet pitt along with Boba Fett and Jabb hits up PIzza Hut inside Disney world.
 
Hopefully, this never gets made. I am hoping that Kathleen Kennedy will be ousted after Solo bombs...
 
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