When are the new "secure" processors coming out?

StormClaw

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You now, the ones that re not vulnerable to Spectre or Meltdown ?

Have they announced anything yet?

So for driveby post. I scanned 2 first pages and couldn't find anything. I i go for a new PC, i want a proper chip in it (not vulnerable or handicapped)

Thanks in advance for the answers.
 
Going to be a while (years for both). And as soon as, or before, they’re fixed, new vulnerabilities will be announced.
Oh wait, new ones have already been announced.

Just upgrade n be done.
 
When they are found to be this lacking the price needs to come down.
We are paying for this with security exposure, worry, time (in many ways: reading articles, researching, updating firmware, choosing new hardware, installing new hardware ...), effort and our cash to upgrade earlier without any compensation.
 
Buy an AMD and have FEWER of the meltdown/specter vulnerabilities. From what I have seen they seem to be moving more swiftly to correct and get new silicone out there. But Intel is a bigger ship to turn so takes more time.
 
Buy an AMD and have FEWER of the meltdown/specter vulnerabilities. From what I have seen they seem to be moving more swiftly to correct and get new silicone out there. But Intel is a bigger ship to turn so takes more time.

I suggested to my Dad today that he look at Ryzen laptops.
He couldnt find any in the shops so didnt buy one.
 
You either wait or buy AMD if you want a secure processor. Now I know that the new 8core Intel's are coming soon, but I dont think they will even have the new hardware fixes.
 
You either wait or buy AMD if you want a secure processor. Now I know that the new 8core Intel's are coming soon, but I dont think they will even have the new hardware fixes.
You try telling my Dad.
When he wants a laptop he buys one.
If the products were available it would be simple. But they arent.
 
Not soon enough.

My 8700k is a beast.
But I want 8 cores.

And it doesn't OC worth a darn and is super hot. Perfect for my wife. Lol.

This might be the generation that I hold my nose and try an AMD for the first time.
 
No way in hell any silicon that was actually changed for spectre/meltdown is coming out before 2019, mid-year at best if you are realistic/sane. That design-to-tapeout is a continental pipeline, you don't divert it on a dime.

Don't drink the PR koolaid: microcode and similar "mitigations" are not changes to the masks that actually etch the silicon, they have to redesign some really low level shit in the first place then and validate it both works correctly and has acceptable performance. If anyone thinks the first big fix will be a perfect all-case solution you are a big fat sucker too.
 
No way in hell any silicon that was actually changed for spectre/meltdown is coming out before 2019, mid-year at best if you are realistic/sane. That design-to-tapeout is a continental pipeline, you don't divert it on a dime.

Don't drink the PR koolaid: microcode and similar "mitigations" are not changes to the masks that actually etch the silicon, they have to redesign some really low level shit in the first place then and validate it both works correctly and has acceptable performance. If anyone thinks the first big fix will be a perfect all-case solution you are a big fat sucker too.

This is a correct statement, but I would counter to say that anyone watching what is going on closely that actually has a career in IT knows that the first silicone to come out with these fixes is what will fund the next generation that has them cooked in with performance to spare. Right now that is not the case.

I and I presume many others will advise SKIPPING the first generation with the threats 'removed'.
 
Didn't Intel say Gen 9 will have hardware fixes for both. AMD will have hardware fixes for Spectre next year.
 
Not soon enough.

My 8700k is a beast.
But I want 8 cores.

And it doesn't OC worth a darn and is super hot. Perfect for my wife. Lol.

This might be the generation that I hold my nose and try an AMD for the first time.
after not touching AMD since the athlon 64 I bought a Ryzen 1700 and just make sure you use approved components proven to play nice. I had quite a few issues that I had to work through before having a stable system. Single core performance lags way behind so make sure you can take advantage of all those cores or it'll just suck. They are decent overclockers that pump out a lot of heat. I'm hoping the second round has improved a lot of stuff but the first didn't impress me that much. I'm grateful they forced intel to give us more cores.
 
https://www.techarp.com/guides/complete-meltdown-spectre-cpu-list/

It's basically any AMD CPU x64 for some Spectre variants (AMD isn't vulnerable to Meltdown), and any Intel CPU since they moved to the Core branding.

So pretty much everything made in the last 12+ years.

I've been out and about and forgot to check this thread.

My question wasn't 'which CPUs are vulnerable. Shucks everyone and his brother knows that by now.

My question is how many of these 'vulnerable' processors been actually attacked and compromised?

By that I also mean 'In the wild', not in a lab somewhere.
 
I've been out and about and forgot to check this thread.

My question wasn't 'which CPUs are vulnerable. Shucks everyone and his brother knows that by now.

My question is how many of these 'vulnerable' processors been actually attacked and compromised?

By that I also mean 'In the wild', not in a lab somewhere.

So you're going by secure as.. "If the ratio's are low enough surely that won't happen to me." method. Mmhmmm... What companies environment are you responsible for again? Just want to know who I need to make sure I don't do business with.
 
Those of you with "silicone" based CPUs ... when you upgrade, use the old CPU to re-caulk your bathtub.
It works well.
"Anyone watching what is going on closely that actually has a career in IT knows" this to be true. :)
 
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