Samsung S9 and S9+ Really Are Faster

Domingo said:
Nova Launcher doesn't replace Samsung's extra layer of "features" baked into the OS, its skinned (often heavily modified) system apps that rarely get updates, or it's giant cache of Jellybean-era UI apps that you can't get rid of. If Samsung really wants to give people options, they should allow all of those things to be removed or completely disabled. iPhones are certainly more locked down than a Samsung, but at least the apps are all unified. Samsung devices are a weird conflicting hybrid of Android and Samsung.
It's Google's fault for allowing them to do this in the first place.
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You obviously haven't used anything of Samsungs newer phones from the S8, Note 7, Note 8, or S9. Samsung isn't like what it use to be and it works very smoothly and fast. Apps more unified ?! It takes opening every app separately on the iPhone to get it to do anything where the Android will go into those apps for you. Even the Password manager will fill in the blanks in all the apps and webpages where on the iPhone it can't. Android blows the socks off iOS with usable features. iOS / iPhones are a TOY, where Android devices are a tool. And this is coming from someone who has owned every iPhone to date, and a Note 8 and S9+.
 
cyclone3d said:
You could look it up you know?
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I was hiligting the absurdity of a tweet that more or less reads as:
“Phone is super fast because <insert technical acronym jargon here>”

It would be just as accurate and easier to read if the tweet gave the “42% faster on the same network statistic”.
 
Damnit Kyle! I just got home with a new S9+ and it is 100% [H]'s fault.
 
rudy said:
People care because it matters, I think its ironic that people will come and shit on Samsung because they claim the interface is not as responsive as stock android when this only causes split second delays, then they will say who cares about speed for downloads either wifi or cellular? Speed on a phone = improved responsiveness. If you are downloading even a website from the web in a congested network and a blip of an opening allows you to snag all the data a little faster than the next guy then your experience improves. This is the same exact reason SSDs blew hard drives out of the water, In the early days SSD sustained read and write wasn't that much better than HDDs but random small files is where they crushed them and is what caused people to feel so much improvement. I had countless people with ghetto old laptops I would get to upgrade to an SSD and they would talk about how it gave it new life. Even if you don't own a Samsung S9 you can thank them for helping you out, because the faster other phones fetch data, the faster they stop congesting the network and open it up for those with slower devices when viewing small data content like web pages etc.... The faster phones and cellular networks get the better the user experience becomes for everyone.
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You might want to re-read my post where I talked specifically about latency. You and I are essentially saying the same thing. Marketing often wants to focus on bandwidth numbers, when in reality they mean jack shit for most people once you've hit a certain threshold.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some bandwidth, but I know how to use that bandwidth. Your average phone user does not. They care about how snappy it is on the phone. As I said before, once you hit above a certain bandwidth threshold above where the average service they traffic will actually provide, it all comes down to latency. the 500mb ATT speeds he was talking about in Chicago are well above that bandwidth threshold for anything your average phone user might consume, including 4K streaming porn.

I'm also not saying that more bandwidth won't be necessary in the future, what I'm saying is that there are other places to focus on for the time being. ;)
 
Qwerty can be great if designed right. I had a Nokia N900 (Maemo) and it was great. I switched to the N9 (Maemo/Meego) which lacked it but was so much better otherwise and so ahead of it's time that I didn't miss it that much. Then I had to (banking etc) switch to a Galaxy. First time in my experience a new and more expensive phone was a regression, but attributed it mostly to Android. But Samsung screwed me one too many times (long sad story) and I switched to the Xiaomi Mi5 over a year ago (at 1/3rd the Samsung cost) and liked it so much I bought the Mi Mix 2 when it came out. First phone I like more than the N9... Now if only Xiaomi gave me a qwerty...
 
Domingo said:
As long as it's still stuck with a Samsung launcher and forced software none of that matters.
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You can change launcher. My S9+ now uses Launcher 10 that is a closes replica of Windows Limia Metro launcher and it is great )
 
He should have played PUBG and told us how the faster speed and lower ping helped him dominated the game.

But can it run Crysis?
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
I can't bring myself to care.

I don't play games on my phone. It is a web and email device.

I also don't care about camera quality. I have a DSLR for that.

There was a time when smartphones were new that phones didn't age well, and you constantly needed the latest and fastest or the experience would slow down to shit. That time is long since gone.

Even comparatively ancient Android phones are still good enough for what I need them to do. The only problem is that most of them don't get software updates anymore, and the batteries may be old and difficult to replace.

My current first gen Pixel is getting closer and closer to that magic 2 year old mark, and it's showing no sign what so ever of being inadequate or slow. I'll probably be keeping it until the day Google no longer releases security updates for it, and then, if LineageOS gets an official release, I'll probably use that for years to come. Unless I drop it in th etoilet or something, this phone and I have a long future together. There simply is no point in upgrading phones anymore, provided they get security updates.

If I were forced to buy a phone today, I wouldn't bother with any of the latest or greatest expensive phones I'd pick up a used phone from craigslist or Swappa from the LineageOS Devices List, like the unlocked international version of the Galaxy S7, and happily use that for years to come.
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Wow, this.

I'm using an old Sony Experia loaded with Android 7.1.2 (Lineage), works great for all the reasons you list above.

I'm still using my Nexus 10 tablet even! org battery. Performance is fine. Battery life isn't great, however, still fine as well.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
This makes me wonder why no one makes a physical keyboard slide case. That way anyone could add that feature to their phone if they wanted it.
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I think they do, but that would make the phone far thicker than if it were built in.
 
After uesing a OnePlus phone its hard to go back to samsung shity stock ui. They should just lose it and run stock Android.
 
LAA, like large address awareness? LIke, the ability for a 32-bit app to address more than ~2.5GB of RAM?
 
tunatime said:
After uesing a OnePlus phone its hard to go back to samsung shity stock ui. They should just lose it and run stock Android.
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Well, at least the Samsung doesn't come stock with Chinese spyware :p

Can't trust those Chinese brands, Huawei, Hero, ZTE, OnePlus, they are all the same, at least unless you flash a trusted after market ROM.

It's an unfortunate fact that all phones are manufactured over there these days, but we cannot trust the ones which are DESIGNED there in an environment where companies intentionally sell poisoned milk to go in baby formula, cheat on car safety tests, etc. etc

The Chinese lived under communism so long that they have a crippled sense of ethical business behavior. They'll need some time to catch up here (and a new, democratically electeted government) before I trust any products designed over there.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
Well, at least the Samsung doesn't come stock with Chinese spyware :p

Can't trust those Chinese brands, Huawei, Hero, ZTE, OnePlus, they are all the same, at least unless you flash a trusted after market ROM.

It's an unfortunate fact that all phones are manufactured over there these days, but we cannot trust the ones which are DESIGNED there in an environment where companies intentionally sell poisoned milk to go in baby formula, cheat on car safety tests, etc. etc

The Chinese lived under communism so long that they have a crippled sense of ethical business behavior. They'll need some time to catch up here (and a new, democratically electeted government) before I trust any products designed over there.
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So you prefer the American spyware instead?
 
[21CW]killerofall said:
So you prefer the American spyware instead?
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You are correct, that US companies collect data, but this - with the notable exceptions of facebooks uncontrolled hemorrhaging of personal data, this is usually done under the guidance of privacy policies for anonymized marketing purposes. These controls and norms don't exist in China. Anything goes there, which is why they cannot be trusted.

The U.S. solution is not great, the European climate when it comes to data is much better, but both are vastly better to the wild wild west currently taking place in China.

Please stop peddling false equivalences.
 
aldamon said:
This. My latest phone was $35. Flagship phones are now priced like laptops in the 90s.
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I agree with the sentiment (as long as the older phone gets security updates) but the 90's laptop thing is a little bit of hyperbole:

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Zarathustra[H] said:
I agree with the sentiment (as long as the older phone gets security updates) but the 90's laptop thing is a little bit of hyperbole:
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I'm not going to get into a snarky screenshot battle with you because we can both cherry pick whatever year we want in the 90s, but in regards to your second comment I've learned the hard way (several times) that the price of any device and its specs doesn't always dictate the quality of its update schedule or its build quality.

I can walk away from a $35 device pretty easily (running Android 7 BTW) and don't have to worry about having a "flagship" phone costing high 3-figures with a non-removable battery (planned obsolescence on flagship devices is even more bullshit).

If folks like the way the market is trending, well.............enjoy the revenue "growth" I guess.
 
aldamon said:
I'm not going to get into a snarky screenshot battle with you because we can both cherry pick whatever year we want in the 90s, but in regards to your second comment I've learned the hard way (several times) that the price of any device and its specs doesn't always dictate the quality of its update schedule or its build quality.
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Fair enough. I'd argue though, that if you want a decent laptop even today, for an enterprise model (because the consumer models are all trash) bu the likes of HP or Dell toy are going to be paying in the thousands.

aldamon said:
I can walk away from a $35 device pretty easily (running Android 7 BTW) and don't have to worry about having a "flagship" phone costing high 3-figures with a non-removable battery (planned obsolescence on flagship devices is even more bullshit).
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Good point.

My hangup is just that I want to see the "security patch level" be within the last two weeks or so. I can get this with LineageOS on most devices with official support, but as far as stock ROM's go, there is pretty much just one game in town, and that's Googles Nexus/Pixel line.
 
im just ready to trade my note 8 for a bigger, wider flat screen. not this rounded edge gimmick crap
 
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