NVIDIA Pulling Plug on GPP

50Cal said:
nice reach there bud with the rape apologist strawman, real classy.

and i wasn't aware the i was the only one thats apparently polorized when it comes to GPU/CPU choices. You make it sound like there isn't and hasn't been some GPU/CPU branding war between fans for decades.
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I wouldn't call it war between fans when corporate shills are involved.
 
50Cal said:
Branding, Image, and Perception and thats what GPP was about.
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Yea, cool bro, even so, they pulled the program so you're wrong. Not sure how much more wrong you can be when the company itself pulls the program and offers nothing new in terms of explaining it. How's the cruise on the Titanic? Hear the weather's a little cold. It's alright, keep carrying the torch for us. We love it. :)
 
Shotglass01 said:
Yea, cool bro, even so, they pulled the program so you're wrong. Not sure how much more wrong you can be when the company itself pulls the program and offers nothing new in terms of explaining it. How's the cruise on the Titanic? Hear the weather's a little cold. It's alright, keep carrying the torch for us. We love it. :)
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So you have all the details on GPP direct from the source itself right? Care to share, then can you care to point out in those details where illegal activities took place? I won't hold my breath though. I don't know whats more impressive, your inability to add anything of substance to the conversation (thats also backed with proof) or your non-existent gag reflex. AMD should invest in sword swallowing acts, because they sure have alot of "woe is me" fans that have mastered the craft through mindless admiration for AMD. How does AMD taste?
 
50Cal said:
So you have all the details on GPP direct from the source itself right? Care to share, then can you care to point out in those details where illegal activities took place? I won't hold my breath though. I don't know whats more impressive, your inability to add anything of substance to the conversation (thats also backed with proof) or your non-existent gag reflex. AMD should invest in sword swallowing acts, because they sure have alot of "woe is me" fans that have mastered the craft through mindless admiration for AMD. How does AMD taste?
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Um, they pulled the program. End of story. Continue the battle! But I'll not feed your troll longer.
 
50Cal said:
nice reach there bud with the rape apologist strawman, real classy.

and i wasn't aware the i was the only one thats apparently polorized when it comes to GPU/CPU choices. You make it sound like there isn't and hasn't been some GPU/CPU branding war between fans for decades.
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Hehe, well come on. You are reaching so far to the other side of the spectrum, what do you expect? It is sad that you don't realize that.
 
SmokeRngs said:
I think it's likely the companies will put AMD right back in the lineup as it was. There's no reason not to even if they've spent money to create new branding since it would cost a lot more in the long run to keep the new brands which haven't really started yet. It takes a lot of money, time and effort to build branding. If there's no need to build new branding there's no point in throwing time and money at it.

Some of them might keep the new branding and experiment with it but I'd be surprised if the attempt is more than half hearted and it's not likely it would be some sort of exclusive branding for a specific line. If Asus has bothered to do any sort of market polling regarding the "Arez" line, they'll probably drop it fast since I think many people are like me and think it sounds stupid.
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It's not just boxes and whatnot: it's labeling and insignias on the fans/heatsinks/circuit boards/covers that are the expensive bits. If they haven't rolled those out yet (they'd've been fools if they had), it's WAY cheaper to just trash the boxes and carry on.
 
heatlesssun said:
You said yourself in this thread you like to fight. I do as well but I also know I'll never win a fight with you here. Linus's business depends on access and he clearly wasn't willing to go to the point of losing that with nVidia like you did. I give you credit for that.
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Don't forget that LMG is owned by Nvidia...
 
TheSoldier said:
Next, it will be the Totally Not GPP which will have an NDA attached.
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Already had an NDA, like every other business deal of its type. NDAs were broken in order for the GPP to be reported on beyond what Nvidia released on their company blog.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Most people are stupid. GPP was shady, but from a business perspective it was very slick.

And while you can make the comparison to what Intel did to AMD because it happened in a related industry, the comparison falls far short when the effect of the GPP wasn't to prevent AMD from selling GPUs (like Intel did with their CPUs), or even prevent AMD's GPUs from being labeled for gaming.
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Keep trying to convince yourself of that. nVidia caving pretty much proved their actions were illegal.
 
50Cal said:
A lot of companies dictate how third partys work with their products. Take Apple for example - https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/07/developers-required-iphone-x-screen-july/ . When you go into brick-n-mortar stores and you see displays for products, guess who dictates how those displays look? Not, the store, but the company making product. These are all perfect examples of companies working with other companies/developers on how their products are to be advertised/platforms used to ensure the highest level of qualty to help boost sales. This is all part of partnerships that companies make.


Lets take an example of what happens when shitty third-parties not doing their end of the deal and it ends up hurting the main company. Do you remember the vista days? remember how people were blaming microsoft because the HP printer they bought back in the 90's no longer worked and HP didnt want to make new drivers because they wanted to push sales of new printers? Microsoft took the hit to their image, NOT HP. Microsoft even went out to hardware vendors to get out ahead of this before the launch and HP chose not to do anything. Because why make new drivers when we can make old products usless forcing people to buy new ones.

Lets look at dell - They used to make shitty laptops using shitty components, and when windows would run slow guess who took the hit images-wise? Microsoft. Many companies see this kind of crap happen and would rather make sure that vendors are doing their best to ensure that the image of their products look good.

The same could be said of companies that pull sponsorships when an individual does something stupid.

Branding, Image, and Perception and thats what GPP was about.
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...and putting a gun to the OEMs/AIO's heads and telling them what to do with their own branding.

THAT'S where it became illegal.

If you don't get that, you're dumber than Linus.
 
50Cal said:
So you have all the details on GPP direct from the source itself right? Care to share, then can you care to point out in those details where illegal activities took place? I won't hold my breath though. I don't know whats more impressive, your inability to add anything of substance to the conversation (thats also backed with proof) or your non-existent gag reflex. AMD should invest in sword swallowing acts, because they sure have alot of "woe is me" fans that have mastered the craft through mindless admiration for AMD. How does AMD taste?
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The last AMD product I purchased was....Well, the Athlon XP. I have not purchased any AMD product since, and certainly none of their video cards because I’ve felt Nvidia and Intel products to be superior. I have also encouraged people here that they should but the better product for their PC and there’s nothing wrong with continuing to buy Nvidia if that is what works best for them.

Getting all that out of the way, how can you not see that what Nvidia was about to do was ridiculously anticompetitive and possibly illegal? Why did they cut Kyle off when he published the article? Why did they refuse to clarify anything outside of a weird blog post? If this wasn’t some shady shit they had going on they would’ve gone about it quite differently. Their attitude in this whole thing has been very telling. Just because it never took off doesn’t mean it wasn’t illegal at worst and anticompetitive at best.

Kyle had everything to lose with this. He knew that losing Nvidia would be a huge blow to the future of this site because of the influence they have. Just like with the Phantom, I don’t think Kyle would go all in if there wasn’t more to it than what he’s disclosed already.
 
How are people not getting this? GPP wanted the gaming brands tied exclusively to nvidia. Then raedon becomes a graphics card and not a gaming card. When the uninformed consumer wants a gaming card they will only get nvidia. AMD didn't ride on nvidia's coattails on Republic of Gamers, Asus made regular cards for nvidia and amd, and then their premium gaming line of factory overclocked, better cooling, better components amd and nvidia cards. Not getting nvidia's way and dropping rebates and threatening supply lines has been done already with intel, dell and amd prior which GPP seemed to be following was indeed illegal and anti competitive.

Thank you Kyle for the truth.
 
If the best argument you have is "well it's not strictly illegal" you've already lost. It's plainly obvious that this was anti-competitive and had nothing to do with "consumer choice" or whatever NVIDIA wants to babble on about this. And I own a Titan XP, and before that a 980 Ti, 680 SLI, and 580 SLI. They were in the wrong on this.
 
50Cal said:
A lot of companies dictate how third partys work with their products. Take Apple for example - https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/07/developers-required-iphone-x-screen-july/ . When you go into brick-n-mortar stores and you see displays for products, guess who dictates how those displays look? Not, the store, but the company making product. These are all perfect examples of companies working with other companies/developers on how their products are to be advertised/platforms used to ensure the highest level of qualty to help boost sales. This is all part of partnerships that companies make.


Lets take an example of what happens when shitty third-parties not doing their end of the deal and it ends up hurting the main company. Do you remember the vista days? remember how people were blaming microsoft because the HP printer they bought back in the 90's no longer worked and HP didnt want to make new drivers because they wanted to push sales of new printers? Microsoft took the hit to their image, NOT HP. Microsoft even went out to hardware vendors to get out ahead of this before the launch and HP chose not to do anything. Because why make new drivers when we can make old products usless forcing people to buy new ones.

Lets look at dell - They used to make shitty laptops using shitty components, and when windows would run slow guess who took the hit images-wise? Microsoft. Many companies see this kind of crap happen and would rather make sure that vendors are doing their best to ensure that the image of their products look good.

The same could be said of companies that pull sponsorships when an individual does something stupid.

Branding, Image, and Perception and thats what GPP was about.
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Foxconn makes most of the CPU sockets for motherboards. Perhaps they should start dictating motherboard branding?
 
50Cal said:
So you have all the details on GPP direct from the source itself right? Care to share, then can you care to point out in those details where illegal activities took place? I won't hold my breath though. I don't know whats more impressive, your inability to add anything of substance to the conversation (thats also backed with proof) or your non-existent gag reflex. AMD should invest in sword swallowing acts, because they sure have alot of "woe is me" fans that have mastered the craft through mindless admiration for AMD. How does AMD taste?
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Love nvidia for their products but you don't have to love them for their shady practice. You are trying so damn hard for Nvidia its comical. Nvidia never clarified, cried like a little bitch and said oh we are shutting it down because of misinformation bla bla. But yet they didn't do shit to prove otherwise. They didn't even try to fight their so called fair and transparent program. That right there is admission that they would rather shut it down than share the details lol. So before anyone gets a chance to prove it in court they shut it down.

I will buy nvidia but I am man enough to admit they look guilty as fuck with the cry baby blog post they made and yet made no effort to fight for GPP lol. Let it go, you are like the only person on H fighting so hard to defend nvidia. Shit even those that will buy nvidia product tomorrow or today stand up for the truth. Clearly nvidia has gas lighted you pretty good lol!
 
NKD said:
Love nvidia for their products but you don't have to love them for their shady practice. You are trying so damn hard for Nvidia its comical. Nvidia never clarified, cried like a little bitch and said oh we are shutting it down because of misinformation bla bla. But yet they didn't do shit to prove otherwise. They didn't even try to fight their so called fair and transparent program. That right there is admission that they would rather shut it down than share the details lol. So before anyone gets a chance to prove it in court they shut it down.

I will buy nvidia but I am man enough to admit they look guilty as fuck with the cry baby blog post they made and yet made no effort to fight for GPP lol. Let it go, you are like the only person on H fighting so hard to defend nvidia. Shit even those that will buy nvidia product tomorrow or today stand up for the truth. Clearly nvidia has gas lighted you pretty good lol!
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Im just not going to assume someone is guilty of something unless i have proof of actual guilt, which NO ONE has presented, and no, what Kyle presented is not proof. Same with the so-called "oh noes nvidia has blacklisted me and my only proof is my own tweet saying they did (i not calling Kyle a liar but man really, show us an email from nvidia stating they are cutting you off, otherwise it looks like attention whoring/AMD shilling to bring more people to your forum). Look at it this way, would a judge not laugh kyle out of the court room if his only proof was a screenshot of a few words (that could be easliy fabricated) from sentence with no context? I'm just playing devils advocate. I and everyone else should be demanding proof of these accusations and not just some he said/she said. I respect Kyle and love the hard work that he has put into this forum and what he's added to the community, but that doesn't mean im just going to ride his nutts and believe everything he's said without being able to prove it.

I grew up understanding the importance of not believeing accusations without proof. Growing up and surviving in a sundown town as a black man taught me first hand the damages of accusing someone of guilt with no proof and giving into mob mentatlity.
 
50Cal said:
A lot of companies dictate how third partys work with their products. Take Apple for example - https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/07/developers-required-iphone-x-screen-july/ . When you go into brick-n-mortar stores and you see displays for products, guess who dictates how those displays look? Not, the store, but the company making product. These are all perfect examples of companies working with other companies/developers on how their products are to be advertised/platforms used to ensure the highest level of qualty to help boost sales. This is all part of partnerships that companies make.

Lets take an example of what happens when shitty third-parties not doing their end of the deal and it ends up hurting the main company. Do you remember the vista days? remember how people were blaming microsoft because the HP printer they bought back in the 90's no longer worked and HP didnt want to make new drivers because they wanted to push sales of new printers? Microsoft took the hit to their image, NOT HP. Microsoft even went out to hardware vendors to get out ahead of this before the launch and HP chose not to do anything. Because why make new drivers when we can make old products usless forcing people to buy new ones.

Lets look at dell - They used to make shitty laptops using shitty components, and when windows would run slow guess who took the hit images-wise? Microsoft. Many companies see this kind of crap happen and would rather make sure that vendors are doing their best to ensure that the image of their products look good.
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Not even the same thing as the relationship between NVIDIA and AIBs. Your Apple example would be more like if NVIDIA was only providing the base lithographs and the AIBs were manufacturing the chips. Your Microsoft and HP/Dell dichotomy would be more like if the AIBs were the ones making the drivers.
50Cal said:
Branding, Image, and Perception and thats what GPP was about.
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Yes, because up until this point NVIDIA's was struggling. They reached 80% of discrete marketshare with hopes, dreams, and unicorn farts.
 
Armenius said:
Yes, because up until this point NVIDIA's was struggling. They reached 80% of discrete marketshare with hopes, dreams, and unicorn farts.
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So because NVidia, or any company for that matter, is doing well they aren't allowed to have a vested intrest in working to maintain, protect, or improve branding. Is that what you are implying here?
 
50Cal said:
So because NVidia, or any company for that matter, is doing well they aren't allowed to have a vested intrest in working to maintain, protect, or improve branding. Is that what you are implying here?
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You could ask Nvidia that question , if the GPP was just that why did they pull it because blaming it on one persons "crusade" is rather silly?
 
50Cal said:
So because NVidia, or any company for that matter, is doing well they aren't allowed to have a vested intrest in working to maintain, protect, or improve branding. Is that what you are implying here?
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I will just let you reply to yourself

50Cal said:
i've been team green for years and probably will be in the future depedning on if AMD can't pick up the slack. But this level of armtwsiting from nvidia i hope results in a massive kick in the nuts for nvidia in the form of massive fines. I'm just surprised that nvidia is stupid enough to pull this stunt. Tech companies almost always get caught in fined and most european countries have no tolerance for this type of corporate behavior, especially if its an American company. Why risk the finacial cost when information is so easliy leaked. Maybe they figure that Intel hasn't really suffered after what happeded to them and are totally okay with paying some fines after they capture more of the market.
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Big_Rig_Stig said:
Keep trying to convince yourself of that. nVidia caving pretty much proved their actions were illegal.
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This isn't remotely close to being true. Had you been paying attention, you would have learned that non-compete agreements and brand exclusivity deals of all kinds were not only legal, but quite common in many industries. The reason NVIDIA pulled the plug on the GPP is because of the backlash it received in the wake of Kyle's article on the matter. The article got massive exposure with many sites linking to it and spreading the word about it. Although not illegal, the reaction to the GPP was extremely negative because of how people perceived the companies actions. It made NVIDIA look unnecessarily greedy.
 
reaper12 said:
I will just let you reply to yourself
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This comment was made when the "evidence" presented by kyle was that nvidia was trying carry out what intel did awhile back and that nvidia was going to force companies to not sell AMD cards. (which is exactly how kyle tried to present his evidence when the story first broke), but then as more information was released on the matter it became clear that this was more a marketing campaign and not that whole "nvidia is going to put AMD out of business". I take responsibility for not updating my original comment when i first heard about this. Then again who goes back and correct everything that they say after more details comes out?

My feelings in my OP still hold true if that was nvidias original intent. If they were trying to force AIBs to not sell AMD cards, then yes they deserved to be fined.
 
Dan_D said:
This isn't remotely close to being true. Had you been paying attention, you would have learned that non-compete agreements and brand exclusivity deals of all kinds were not only legal, but quite common in many industries. The reason NVIDIA pulled the plug on the GPP is because of the backlash it received in the wake of Kyle's article on the matter. The article got massive exposure with many sites linking to it and spreading the word about it. Although not illegal, the reaction to the GPP was extremely negative because of how people perceived the companies actions. It made NVIDIA look unnecessarily greedy.
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The most sensible post about this whole fiasco.
 
50Cal said:
This comment was made when the "evidence" presented by kyle was that nvidia was trying carry out what intel did awhile back and that nvidia was going to force companies to not sell AMD cards. (which is exactly how kyle tried to present his evidence when the story first broke), but then as more information was released on the matter it became clear that this was more a marketing campaign and not that whole "nvidia is going to put AMD out of business". I take responsibility for not updating my original comment when i first heard about this. Then again who goes back and correct everything that they say after more details comes out?

My feelings in my OP still hold true if that was nvidias original intent. If they were trying to force AIBs to not sell AMD cards, then yes they deserved to be fined.
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The original article never claimed that Nvidia were trying to stop AIB's from selling AMD cards. And Kyle never inferred that.
 
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