Is the mining thing slowing down?

Furious_Styles said:
Nah as I said earlier it's obvious that you don't care about what anyone else posts you are just digging those heels in because you don't want to lose an argument. You'll dig a hole 10ft deep doesn't matter. Keep telling people to go google stuff and provide no evidence of your own. It's laughable but fun.
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Why would I care when what you’re posting is redefining what a video game is? If you think games crashing isn’t evidence you don’t know what evidence means. Or maybe you do and just redefined what a game is? Take your pick. You’re wrong either way.
 
RamonGTP said:
Is there a reason you’re pretending to be this dumb?

If you play a game at default clocks and everything works great then you increase your vram by 500-800mhz and games crash are you seriously stupid enough to not figure out what the cause was or is that a “clue” that maybe your vram was clocked too high?
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Umm, what does that have anything to do, with the life span of ICs? lol

FYI, memory is only heavily overclocked for ETH mining, pretty much everything else is underclocked or left at stock.

Even when mining ETH, if it crashes or throws errors, it's no different from clocking it too high when gaming, you reduce the clocks until it's stable.


Really I'm not sure why you're even in this thread, if you don't want to buy second hand mining cards, that's your choice.

You just keep spewing your opinion out as fact, and try to force it on everyone.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Umm, what does that have anything to do, with the life span of ICs? lol

FYI, memory is only heavily overclocked for ETH mining, pretty much everything else is underclocked or left at stock.

Even when mining ETH, if it crashes or throws errors, it's no different from clocking it too high when gaming, you reduce the clocks until it's stable.
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I’m not talking about stock clocks or underclocking. At stock clocks the card can still do what it was designed to do so as long as temps are good there shouldn’t be an issue. I’m talking about the cards who’s vram is pushed to a point where the card cannot perform the functions it was intended for (playing a game)

I’m not forcing anything on anyone. You came in her and quoted me saying something dumb and inaccurate. You had not a clue as to what component we were talking about. I merely responded. I did not seek you out and tell you to adopt facts.
 
RamonGTP said:
Why would I care when what you’re posting is redefining what a video game is? If you think games crashing isn’t evidence you don’t know what evidence means. Or maybe you do and just redefined what a game is? Take your pick. You’re wrong either way.
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rofl the semantics king strikes again! I used parenthesis on game for a reason. I've already made the point that different games will crash on an OC that might normally have seemed 100% stable. That could mean the game just doesn't work well with them. Any veteran OCer has encountered this, it isn't new. You still have provided no evidence that mining with a memory OC that might be unstable in some games is damaging cards.
 
RamonGTP said:
I’m not talking about stock clocks or underclocking. At stock clocks the card can still do what it was designed to do so as long as temps are good there shouldn’t be an issue. I’m talking about the cards who’s vram is pushed to a point where the card cannot perform the functions it was intended for (playing a game)

I’m not forcing anything on anyone. You came in her and quoted me saying something dumb and inaccurate. You had not a clue as to what component we were talking about. I merely responded. I did not seek you out and tell you to adopt facts.
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Actually no, I did not say anything dumb, or inaccurate. So if someone overclocks their card beyond the limits of it's original design, and games with it, ITs OK?

However, if they mine with it overlocked it's NOT OK?

I'm still not understanding what your problem is exactly. :)
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Actually no, I did not say anything dumb, or inaccurate. So if someone overclocks their card beyond the limits of it's original design, and games with it, ITs OK?

However, if they mine with it overlocked it's NOT OK?

I'm still not understanding what your problem is exactly. :)
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You can do anything you want to your card. My problem, which you'd know if you didn't come in on your high horse thinking you got it figured out without reading what came before, is when miners sell their cards and don't disclose that the cards VRAM was pushed to levels that make it unusable in games, 24/7 for however long they owned the card for. I think most buyers would want to know this. This is about the 4th time I've made mention of this. Undoubtedly a butt hurt miner will come in at the end of the thread and rehash the same thing over again because they want to maintain their dishonest selling practices under the guise of "well it's harmless so I shouldn't need to disclose"

You said plenty dumb things, if not utterly retarded. You maintain that if a game crashed after an overclock you'd be "clueless" to know what the cause was.
 
RamonGTP said:
You can do anything you want to your card. My problem, which you'd know if you didn't come in on your high horse thinking you got it figured out without reading what came before, is when miners sell their cards and don't disclose that the cards VRAM was pushed to levels that make it unusable in games, 24/7 for however long they owned the card for. I think most buyers would want to know this. This is about the 4th time I've made mention of this. Undoubtedly a butt hurt miner will come in at the end of the thread and rehash the same thing over again because they want to maintain their dishonest selling practices under the guise of "well it's harmless so I shouldn't need to disclose"

You said plenty dumb things, if not utterly retarded. You maintain that if a game crashed after an overclock you'd be "clueless" to know what the cause was.
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Where exactly did I say that at all? Do you even read the responses or just imagine whatever suits your crusade to be the text on your screen?

Again, ONLY eth mining benefits from crazy memory clicking , and if gamers push their clocks passed the manufacturer specs, it’s no god damn different! Both are above what the manufacturer states as working clocks.

I’m not the one on a high horse here. You seem to have little experience with mining, but seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder in regards to it.

Also If the memory overclock is unstable , you’ll get errors while mining as well, not just gaming.
 
You seem to be under the impression I said it's ok to have high OC's when gaming. I didn't. I mentioned gaming because that's what the cards are designed to do. I mention mining and overclocking because mining is when OCing of the VRAM is pushed to the point where the cards cannot reliably do what they were intended to do. Render video game graphics on your screen.

You said I didn't have a clue what the memory is spec'd to. I told you it's clearly out of spec when your games crash when the VRAM is overclocked and doesn't when the VRAM isn't. You continued to say I didn't have a clue. That leads me to believe you have zero inclination of what is and isn't a clue when it comes to pushing components out of spec.

You also keep bringing up cases where memory isn't over clocked. I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm clearly talking about miners who push the vram sky high, if that's not you then you, great. You're not who I'm referring to.
 
RamonGTP said:
You seem to be under the impression I said it's ok to have high OC's when gaming. I didn't. I mentioned gaming because that's what the cards are designed to do. I mention mining and overclocking because mining is when OCing of the VRAM is pushed to the point where the cards cannot reliably do what they were intended to do. Render video game graphics on your screen.

You said I didn't have a clue what the memory is spec'd to. I told you it's clearly out of spec when your games crash when the VRAM is overclocked and doesn't when the VRAM isn't. You continued to say I didn't have a clue. That leads me to believe you have zero inclination of what is and isn't a clue when it comes to pushing components out of spec.

You also keep bringing up cases where memory isn't over clocked. I'm not sure what your point is here. I'm clearly talking about miners who push the vram sky high, if that's not you then you, great. You're not who I'm referring to.
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I still think you don't have a clue.

Memory chips can be specced to run at 100, 500, 6000, 60000. Different timings, voltages etc. What the card manufacturers ends up running them at, does not always equal the maximum speed that they are designed to run at . and that comment was about your "ICs failing due to electromigration", and people running the VRAM out of spec. Not to games crashing.

Additionally, when you overclock the memory, the timing changes with it.
 
RamonGTP said:
You can do anything you want to your card. My problem, which you'd know if you didn't come in on your high horse thinking you got it figured out without reading what came before, is when miners sell their cards and don't disclose that the cards VRAM was pushed to levels that make it unusable in games, 24/7 for however long they owned the card for. I think most buyers would want to know this. This is about the 4th time I've made mention of this. Undoubtedly a butt hurt miner will come in at the end of the thread and rehash the same thing over again because they want to maintain their dishonest selling practices under the guise of "well it's harmless so I shouldn't need to disclose"

You said plenty dumb things, if not utterly retarded. You maintain that if a game crashed after an overclock you'd be "clueless" to know what the cause was.
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How do you police this though? There is no way to prove whether or not anyone mined on a card prior to selling it. Does a gamer that passively mines on his card (why wouldn't you if it is profitable and you already have a sunk cost) when he isn't gaming expected to disclose? I would expect he should have to as well but I'd wager many aren't doing it. I'm a huge proponent of full disclosure but it doesn't change that people omit or even lie when they sell things. I'm also not one that sees anything wrong with buying a former mining card based off experience.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
I still think you don't have a clue.

Memory chips can be specced to run at 100, 500, 6000, 60000. Different timings, voltages etc. What the card manufacturers ends up running them at, does not always equal the maximum speed that they are designed to run at . and that comment was about your "ICs failing due to electromigration", and people running the VRAM out of spec. Not to games crashing.

Additionally, when you overclock the memory, the timing changes with it.
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Your last sentence makes me not too concerned about your first. The fact that you can't correlate games crashing after an overclock with something running out of spec is proof positive who the clueless one is.

Additionally? That's interesting. Tell me more. What are the timings on a reference 1080Ti and what do they change to if I go to +800MHz? And why do they not relax enough to make my games stable at that speed? Since you know, I'm clueless as to specs, please enlighten me.
 
oblox said:
How do you police this though? There is no way to prove whether or not anyone mined on a card prior to selling it. Does a gamer that passively mines on his card (why wouldn't you if it is profitable and you already have a sunk cost) when he isn't gaming expected to disclose? I would expect he should have to as well but I'd wager many aren't doing it. I'm a huge proponent of full disclosure but it doesn't change that people omit or even lie when they sell things. I'm also not one that sees anything wrong with buying a former mining card based off experience.
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That's a good question, unfortunately there's no way to police this to my knowledge so I think it's important for people to be made aware of what is a very common practice on cards used for mining.
 
RamonGTP said:
Your last sentence makes me not too concerned about your first. The fact that you can't correlate games crashing after an overclock with something running out of spec is proof positive who the clueless one is.

Additionally? That's interesting. Tell me more. What are the timings on a reference 1080Ti and what do they change to if I go to +800MHz? And why do they not relax enough to make my games stable at that speed? Since you know, I'm clueless as to specs, please enlighten me.
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for the love of god
WHO
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I sure have not said that, once, or even fucking hinted at it. lol Why do you keep coming back with that.

Possibly because the memory can't handle that speed? or the memory controller can't handle that speed? Maybe the timing changes stop at +500? Fuck if I know the exact specs ,and that's my EXACT point, is that you don't know either.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Possibly because the memory can't handle that speed? or the memory controller can't handle that speed? Maybe the timing changes stop at +500? Fuck if I know the exact specs ,and that's my EXACT point, is that you don't know either.
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Can't handle the speed? So in other words... Running out of spec? lol

Jesus, you strolled right into that one.
 
Digital Viper-X- said:
Or the memory controller can’t handle
It.

Either way mining would also crash in that instance so what’s your point ?
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So... running out of spec?

And no, mining wouldn't necessarily crash in that instance, you're proving to be more and more clueless then ever before. One post ago you essentially said "it's not running out of spec it just can't handle the speed" whatever the fuck that means. And now you are proving you aren't aware that you can get away with much higher vram clocks before your mining app crashes than when playing a game.

Keep going, this is entertaining. What's next? "You're not over clocking, you're just running at a higher speed"

Good lord, you're number 1 contender for the triple face palm meme.
 
I can run some games on my bios modded and heavy ram OC'd 580 without even tweaking the settings.
Temps are fine, Memory is fine. Think of all the poor 580's in gamers computers with little ventilation in a shitty case, and heaven forbid the STOCK FAN CURVE!. I personally would never buy a gamers gpu. Rode hard and put away wet, over and over again.
 
RamonGTP said:
So... running out of spec?

And no, mining wouldn't necessarily crash in that instance, you're proving to be more and more clueless then ever before. One post ago you essentially said "it's not running out of spec it just can't handle the speed" whatever the fuck that means. And now you are proving you aren't aware that you can get away with much higher vram clocks before your mining app crashes than when playing a game.

Keep going, this is entertaining. What's next? "You're not over clocking, you're just running at a higher speed"

Good lord, you're number 1 contender for the triple face palm meme.
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You can’t seem to focus on one thing. What’s the problem ? You are worried about the ics dying early because they are running out of spec. My whole point is that you are clueless to what those specs are.

Anyway we get it , you don’t want to buy a card form a miner . Hurrah for you.

And with the standard internet warrior attitude , everyone else is wrong and you are right!
 
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Digital Viper-X- said:
You can’t seem to focus on one thing. What’s the problem ? You are worried about the ics dying early because they are running out of spec. My whole point is that you are clueless to what those specs are.

Anyway we get it , you don’t want to buy a card form a miner . Hurrah for you.

And with the standard internet warrior attitude , everyone else is wrong and you are right!
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My claim wasn’t that I know all specs it’s that you’re running it out of spec, and you confirmed it by saying “it can’t handle the speed” even your made up engineering guess of “the timings change” didn’t help you out.

Furious_Styles said:
Atleast we're making him work hard! :p
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Eh, Viper made it exponentially easier when he came at me with "it's not out of spec, it just can't handle the speed"​
 
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RamonGTP said:
Kyle, would I be out of line for assuming that it's common practice for you guys to back your clocks back down to stable settings once you hit instability?
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How would we test systems that were not stable?
 
Precisely. I'm glad Archaea asked this question and thank you for taking the time to respond to his and my inquiries.
 
biggles said:
Check out the listing, it says lightly used. Ha! Yeah right...
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Talked about this happening last year, saying that sellers especially on eBay will lie through their teeth. Lying to get something comes natural for them but they forget what you plant - you WILL harvest (even if it's 20 years later when you don't need it to happen most. As it is said, "vengeance is a dish best served cold." and no one (no one) can circumvent it ...
 
RamonGTP said:
My claim wasn’t that I know all specs it’s that you’re running it out of spec, and you confirmed it by saying “it can’t handle the speed” even your made up engineering guess of “the timings change” didn’t help you out.



Eh, Viper made it exponentially easier when he came at me with "it's not out of spec, it just can't handle the speed"​
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Viper was talking about the engineering specs, not stock clocks. Stock clocks are NOT "spec" to engineers. Usually there's a huge buffer between what something is set at vs. what it can handle. Like VRMs may be able to handle 50 amps but are only ran around 20 amps, ect.

I'd personally have no problems buying a nVidia card that's been mined on. nVidia locks down their cards very very conservatively.
 
It has slowed down huge, BTC is hovering around 8-9k and every altcoin basically pairs with BTC and their graphs look all the same. The local CL is flooded with ads for GPU going lower and lower. Not that I'm buying GPU, I'm still running a 2013 card fine but I'm looking for a different part and I see GPU parts FS.
 
Well I finally got got a vega card and i'm trying to recoup some of the cost buy selling my old 7950. Hopefully prices don't fall too quickly...I want to get at least $125.
 
Mt. Gox is apparently doing another big liquidation right now, sending BTC prices (and all other altcoin prices) back down. Because crypto is purely a speculative bubble, there is no reason to buy into it right now. Without buyers, miners can't make a profit. Without profit, there is no reason to buy additional GPUs

.. and the cycle continues in a slow, (albeit wavy and volatile) downward spiral..
 
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