Scott Herkelman Confirms NVIDIA GPP Tactics

y01p0w3r3d said:
call it w/e you want, this all stinks of paid to spread fake news.. hard to believe but its tru that you are amd's puppet and if you get but hurt about it, well too bad....

sad to think you take amd's bribes.. just like politician
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Signed up just to say this.

I've been reading [H] for longer than I can remember specifically because Kyle calls it like it is, good/bad/ugly with no BS attached. Nv makes great cards now, but they didn't always. Remember the debacle that was the NV35 parts? Game specific driver optimizations to hide the fact that they sold DX9 cards that really weren't up to snuff? Nv tried to spin that and [H] called them on that crap as well.

Thanks Kyle, give 'em hell. :)
 
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EVIL-SCOTSMAN said:
All it takes is for AMD to release a cracking generation of video cards, if that happens, gpp will go bye bye.

If nvidia cards were just not selling because amd had a cheaper and much better/faster line up, how many Companies would stay handcuffed to nvidia ? I am sure they would bail, as they say, money talks bullshit walks.

Graphics card manufacturers are only as good as their last generation.

Plus, selling their cards for crazy prices does not make customers happy, people know when they are being openly raped financially, loyalty only goes so far.
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So explain when AMD Athlons were pulverising Intel P4's and D's into oblivion, when Opteron was decimating Itanium, but AMD made no money because Intel used its money to ensure AMD had nobody to sell to, locked out the market. This is the same, AMD are being locked out and will have nobody to sell their products to, even if the next GPU was 5x faster than the 2080ti.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
So explain when AMD Athlons were pulverising Intel P4's and D's into oblivion, when Opteron was decimating Itanium, but AMD made no money because Intel used its money to ensure AMD had nobody to sell to, locked out the market. This is the same, AMD are being locked out and will have nobody to sell their products to, even if the next GPU was 5x faster than the 2080ti.
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I've decided to vote with my wallet, as much good as it might (won't) do. I'm going to be selling my GTX 1060 as soon as my RX 560 arrives tomorrow (don't really game much anymore except stuff like fortnite and old games so I don't need that much power).
 
Nvidia lies? Who's to say AMD isn't lying in that post just to make Nvidia look more guilty for good PR?
Not saying it doesn't exist. But AMD could just as easily be lying about vendors coming to them telling them their biggest competitor is saying these things. (Because it's not like they have products that can compete at the high end so they can't just leave it alone and let the products do the talking.)


Why Nvidia feels the need to do such things if true is beyond me when they have been in the lead for years.
(And come on people, AMD is no patron saint, business is business. And they all will try to do as much as they feel they can get away with)

I'll jump ship to AMD when they have the features I want, or when those features are not viable anymore.
 
MrBonk said:
Nvidia lies? Who's to say AMD isn't lying in that post just to make Nvidia look more guilty for good PR?
Not saying it doesn't exist. But AMD could just as easily be lying about vendors coming to them telling them their biggest competitor is saying these things. (Because it's not like they have products that can compete at the high end so they can't just leave it alone and let the products do the talking.)


Why Nvidia feels the need to do such things if true is beyond me when they have been in the lead for years.
(And come on people, AMD is no patron saint, business is business. And they all will try to do as much as they feel they can get away with)

I'll jump ship to AMD when they have the features I want, or when those features are not viable anymore.
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I think you have your answer that even Ryan Shrout has confirmed that Nvidia have nefarious plans at hand.

As for the rest, well then this debate is not for you, nobody is forcing you to change.
 
i am officially removing MSI and Gigabyte from product lists, before the penny dropped they already jumped ship, I will not support this, this will also include MSI motherboards for both Intel and AMD sockets.
 
MrBonk said:
Nvidia lies? Who's to say AMD isn't lying in that post just to make Nvidia look more guilty for good PR?
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Because Nvidia would have came out by now and would have shown exactly what GPP is. Right now Nvidia is silent on the issue which is a pretty good indication they're guilty. Also we've already seen Gigabyte and MSI change their branding just as GPP was described to do.
Not saying it doesn't exist. But AMD could just as easily be lying about vendors coming to them telling them their biggest competitor is saying these things. (Because it's not like they have products that can compete at the high end so they can't just leave it alone and let the products do the talking.)
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I think AMD is selling their GPU's faster than Nvidia due to crypto-mining. So it's not like this is a problem area for AMD, at least not until the crypto market crashes or switches over to ASIC. But it's hard to lie about this when we clearly see evidence of GPP, plus again Nvidia is silent about it.
Why Nvidia feels the need to do such things if true is beyond me when they have been in the lead for years.
(And come on people, AMD is no patron saint, business is business. And they all will try to do as much as they feel they can get away with)
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Because Nvidia depends on AMD and Intel to produce their products. If both AMD and Intel produce APU's nearly as powerful and don't put PCIE slots on their motherboards then what is Nvidia going to do? Besides, considering how much market share Nvidia has, it's all down hill from here. So they'll do what they can to keep the market they have.
I'll jump ship to AMD when they have the features I want, or when those features are not viable anymore.
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What features? Both AMD and Nvidia support DX11, DX12, and Vulkan. Same features same shit.
 
Derangel said:
I don't think Nvidia even cares what people think of it. In the grand scheme of things if it doesn't effect their bottom line they're not going to care.
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Unfortunately, you are correct. For every gamer who does not buy an NVidia card, a crypto-crazed miner will step up to buy it. NVidia's bottomline is not going to be hurt at all.

Still, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth to purchase an NVidia product. Damn, I have to find out what cars are using NVidia's crap so I do not buy one of them either.
 
I love how GPP is being branded by Nvidia as somehow pro consumer. Kind of like how the 970 didn’t exactly have 4GB of RAM available as advertised, but the fact it had 3.5GB was actually a “feature” and you should want it.
 
Given that I have been on here for more than two decades and have seen the, oh Kyle is anti-AMD and oh Kyle is anti-Intel and oh Kyle is anti-Nvidia and oh Kyle just hates the world bs over the years, I know full well that Kyle feels whatever Kyle feels at any given moment given current market conditions. He sniffs bs when it is delivered by any companies. (Look up Phantom Entertainment if you need more proof of that.) Kyle has a tendency to look holistically at a product line and not just the raw numbers on a product. Sometimes it's the drivers that let you down or compatibility or quality of construction. We have all seen AMD start to climb out of a terrible slump in its products that were at least partially caused by anti-competitive practices by Intel that set AMD back years. Those fines paid by Intel didn't give AMD back their lost research money that could of advanced their products and got terribly close to ending the company. This time Nvidia has been caught early in this process against AMD instead of after all the damage is done. I think the industry is paying closer attention due to all the bs that has happened in the past. I appreciate Kyle taking the time and effort to assault this head on and taking a look at what this would do to all of us if Nvidia managed to destroy AMD entirely or do enough damage to make them non-competitive. In 5 years when both are fighting neck and neck with products still.. look back on this moment and thank Kyle for doing investigative reporting that the big news agencies failed to do.
 
nVidia is clearly the victim of a witch hunt. The media is corrupt and Kyle is their leader!

Burn the witch hunter!
 
Don't take this as a personal attack Kyle. :)

If I was a betting man, my money would lie on Kyle telling the complete truth about not receiving any money or special considerations from AMD regarding this matter. Kyle has been known to be abrasive and heck, some people flat out call him an 'asshole' but what you see is what you get. He just calls things the way he sees them whether he's right or even sometimes wrong. We need more people to be like that.

Keep up the fight Kyle...take it to Nvidia or any other company that would try to screw over consumers.
 
Do you guys know what controlling the narrative means?

That is when you tell people to not focus on GPP but instead tell them to look up at the sky there is a dead pigeon flying.

That trick is so old and so stupid at the same time.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
AMD are being locked out and will have nobody to sell their products to, even if the next GPU was 5x faster than the 2080ti.
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You guys are a riot.

HockeyJon said:
I love how GPP is being branded by Nvidia as somehow pro consumer. Kind of like how the 970 didn’t exactly have 4GB of RAM available as advertised, but the fact it had 3.5GB was actually a “feature” and you should want it.
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That's not how it went. I remember a lot of damage control but I don't recall them saying that it was some kind of good feature.

I do remember AMD running some ankle-biting Twitter campaigns about how their cards had 4 GB of RAM and all that. And within about 3 months, the 970 was one of the top cards listed on the Steam survey. Because most people don't care about all the manufactured hysterics that you see around here and wccftech. While AMD fans were crying foul, Maxwell went on to decimate AMD's market share, if I recall correctly. 970 was one of NVIDIA's most successful cards. That's how much people cared.
 
jwcalla said:
I do remember AMD running some ankle-biting Twitter campaigns about how their cards had 4 GB of RAM and all that. And within about 3 months, the 970 was one of the top cards listed on the Steam survey. Because most people don't care about all the manufactured hysterics that you see around here and wccftech. While AMD fans were crying foul, Maxwell went on to decimate AMD's market share, if I recall correctly. 970 was one of NVIDIA's most successful cards. That's how much people cared.
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It just proves that Nvidia customers will buy anything as long as it has Nvidia stamped on it ...
 
^^lol, you should also ask him did the survey also survey how ppl felt after the 970 class action lawsuit for lying about the memory size?
 
thesmokingman said:
^^lol, you should also ask him did the survey also survey how ppl felt after the 970 class action lawsuit for lying about the memory size?
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The people I know who were harrumphed about the 970 issue simply re-boxed it and marched it right back down to the retailer............................... aaaaaaaaaaand then promptly bought a 980.
 
jwcalla said:
You guys are a riot.



That's not how it went. I remember a lot of damage control but I don't recall them saying that it was some kind of good feature.

I do remember AMD running some ankle-biting Twitter campaigns about how their cards had 4 GB of RAM and all that. And within about 3 months, the 970 was one of the top cards listed on the Steam survey. Because most people don't care about all the manufactured hysterics that you see around here and wccftech. While AMD fans were crying foul, Maxwell went on to decimate AMD's market share, if I recall correctly. 970 was one of NVIDIA's most successful cards. That's how much people cared.
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AMD was (still is?) trying to play the snarky Twitter PR game that companies like Wendy's do. Problem is, they're really bad at it. They tend to come off as petty and vindictive instead of amusing and half-joking like Wendy's does.

Pieter3dnow said:
It just proves that Nvidia customers will buy anything as long as it has Nvidia stamped on it ...
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The card sold extremely well before the the RAM thing was discovered. Its not like the discovery changed how the card performed or magically made it a terrible card for its market. Nvidia got a well deserved trouncing in both courts and the hardware press. Most people didn't care about the 3.5+.5GB VRAM disaster, they cared how the card performed and it was the best mid-range card for its time.
 
jwcalla said:
You guys are a riot.



That's not how it went. I remember a lot of damage control but I don't recall them saying that it was some kind of good feature.

I do remember AMD running some ankle-biting Twitter campaigns about how their cards had 4 GB of RAM and all that. And within about 3 months, the 970 was one of the top cards listed on the Steam survey. Because most people don't care about all the manufactured hysterics that you see around here and wccftech. While AMD fans were crying foul, Maxwell went on to decimate AMD's market share, if I recall correctly. 970 was one of NVIDIA's most successful cards. That's how much people cared.
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That’s actually exactly how it went down. Nvidia claimed it was a bonus, go read Jensen’s statement. He basically says they invented a new architecture to get extra VRAM over the previous 3GB limitation. This doesn’t mean the card was junk, but it was still deceptive marketing. Jensen’s statement was published on multiple sources. Go read it and then try to tell me that wasn’t the spin.

Also, of course the 970 would have been a popular card. It was Nvidia’s solution for the most popular market segment, and performance was good for the applications it had to face. I would have been surprised if it didn’t sell well. That doesn’t change the fact that their initial technical specs were incorrect, Nvidia admitted that much, but their explanation was that it was some kind of amazing marvel that they could deliver extra memory to the 970 over and above 3GB (ie, it was a feature, thank heaven for Nvidia’s engineering prowess).
 
schoolslave said:
Oh please. The 970 "fiasko" was brought on by a bunch of tech-illiterate morons who didn't bother to understand the memory model/architecture of the 970 at all.

Facts: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970.
But you know, manufactured outrage.
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It was a little of both. The whole thing started because people thought the card only had 3.5GB of VRAM. This was not true, but the card had a really shit VRAM design that really tanked performance when it tried to access that last 0.5GB of VRAM. Instead of fighting, and likely losing, in court Nvidia settled a class action lawsuit against them regarding the memory issue. The card was advertised as a 4GB card. In reality it was a 3.5+0.5GB card. And, yes, there is a difference.
 
schoolslave said:
Oh please. The 970 "fiasko" was brought on by a bunch of tech-illiterate morons who didn't bother to understand the memory model/architecture of the 970 at all.

Facts: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970.
But you know, manufactured outrage.
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They were SO RIGHT they paid out. Yep, good company. On a side note, they are very happy you are defending them at no cost. No cost right? Sorry to make you clarify, but with something so done in the history books, and your championing it in 2018?
What's your gain?
 
funkydmunky said:
They were SO RIGHT they paid out. Yep, good company. On a side note, they are very happy you are defending them at no cost. No cost right? Sorry to make you clarify, but with something so done in the history books, and your championing it in 2018?
What's your gain?
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There's no "gain", only the fact that "tech enthusiast" discussions on this forum are degenerating into brandloyalty-fueled soapbox rants.
I am not defending Nvidia, I am merely showing that the actual hardware/tech is getting lost under an avalanche of clickbait and bullshit "news" articles.
In fact, I had a similar stance when people were shitting all over Bulldozer back in the day -- few actually cared enough to understand the architectural merits and limitations of BD.
 
Lol. People have forgotten about kyle and atI quake/quack fiasco. If kyle smells something stinky, he will try to locate the soure of the smell, and shine a light to fix it.

I believe at one time or another practically every major manufacture has been mad at hardocp and blacklisted them over a review that pointed out issues.
 
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