AMD 2nd Gen Ryzen 2 2700X Zen+ CPU Review @ [H]

Well I don't game much on the PC anymore and only use it to encode and VM so the 2500K is starting to feel the pain... a lot...
The killer is the stupid RAM price... 800CAD$ for 32GB 3600 !? WT..F... That is somewhat a show stopper.. even 16GB (which is what I have right now and feel I could use more for VM)

Anyway, will see what budget I can come up with and plan with that... might need to start with only 16GB
 
bpizzle1 said:
Glad my hard work writing that up could convince you lol.

But for real, SB has finally gotten to the point where there's a noticeable difference when using a newer cpu.
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It only took AMD and Intel over 6 years to get us significantly past Sandy Bridge. *sigh*

About fucking time. For both companies.
 
Good review. but not good enough to convince me to leave my sandy:sneaky:. well here's to hoping zen 3000 series will have that wow gotta have it factor. glad it's pretty competitive though.
 
For the first time since I started working for Intel back in '91, I'm considering AMD CPU for my next build.
And for the first time in I don't know how long, it might include an AMD GPU.

The future doesn't need RGB lighting to look bright now, 'cause competition's back.
 
sanders4617 said:
And if you're a gamer, the 8700K still rules at this point. But if you don't game.. its a no brainer I'd think.

At least from the benchmarks that I saw today.. showed the intel still do best in gaming.
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Still depends on resolution and frame rate and GPU being used.. I think people just throw around the "gaming" term too willynilly. "Gaming" is different for every one.. now if you said the 8700k was better at 1080p/1440p 144hz then yes but they're still within 5fps of each other in most games. Turn off the frame counter and convince me you notice a 5fps difference, lol.
 
Ihaveworms said:
That poor 8700k died for this review and for our entertainment. I am a little surprised seeing the 1800x beating the 2700x at the same clockrate in some benchmarks.
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I have a thought on that:

But the apps like Blender when the 2700X actually came in "slower" than our 1800X are a bit confusing. Pov-Ray and Civ6 showed the same thing as well. I honestly have no idea why we are seeing these scores.
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Maybe the GPP operatives have been working... overtime???
 
Great review found my new CPU.
sirmonkey1985 said:
Still depends on resolution and frame rate and GPU being used.. I think people just throw around the "gaming" term too willynilly. "Gaming" is different for every one.. now if you said the 8700k was better at 1080p/1440p 144hz then yes but they're still within 5fps of each other in most games. Turn off the frame counter and convince me you notice a 5fps difference, lol.
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Pretty much. It's also funny that people will take a 144hz monitor and then add GSYNC latency and 4-8ms IPS latency and complain about 5fps when if you really cared you'd disable any sort of adaptive sync and go with a 1ms TN panel.

Good enough is good enough.
 
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DuronBurgerMan said:
Ordered it. Going to do an OC marathon on it this weekend and beat it up. Y'all want me to video that shit?
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How did you find it right now ? For some reason I can't get earlier than Tuesday here... (Montreal). Ok I didn't find more than newgg and amazon...
 
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juanrga said:
I always ignore guru3d. I will wait to Kyle further article, but comparing what reviews are getting now with what users are getting I think I can confirm my prediction of 4.3--4.4Ghz was a bit optimistic.
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Results will vary chip to chip, besides, it doesn't fucking matter if you have 4.2 or 4.4 ghz. These are just talking points that hold very little swing decision for 99% of buyers. I like guru3d, why do you take issue with mr. Hegedoorn?

DuronBurgerMan said:
Amazon, mang.

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F/
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Can confirm in stock and shipping, just ordered 2 for a client build.
 
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MMitch said:
Still, only Tuesday delivery with Prime... and this is .com (Montreal is in Canada)
Thanks though :)
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Don't know why Canadians would have to wait until Tuesday, but sorry man. And no, I thought Montreal was in the Sudan or something. /sarc
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
Don't know why Canadians would have to wait until Tuesday, but sorry man. And no, I thought Montreal was in the Sudan or something. /sarc
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Where's Sudan ? /s I can't know if you knew since you quoted .com but ok my bad :)
This wait gives me time to reconsider and not impulse buy... I hate it
 
Brent_Justice said:
Awesome review, told me everything I wanted to know in one graph! I'm convinced I want to do a Ryzen+ build for my personal system this year. It's time to upgrade, got the itch so bad. Going to downsize to a Micro-ATX sized case and build a nice compact and fast machine to sit on my desk with X470 motherboard and 2700X. That will be perfect for the next few years, then when Zen 3 7nm refresh of Zen 2 7nm is out post 2020, I'll upgrade again :p

Gaming will be GPU limited anyway at the settings and resolution I play at. The extra threads could really help with video transcoding, takes forever on my 4 core CPU right now.

I think my last AMD CPU was the Athlon.

This will be fun.
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I hope to see some m-atx motherboards in X470. I would do itx but I want two m.2 slots.
 
shoenberg3 said:
The discrepancy is due to the fact only anandtech seemed to have applied the MELTDOWN/SPECTRE patch, as they should.

Personally, I think that's what every reviewer should have done -- anything else appears dishonest.
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FYI, we used the latest version of Windows 10 Pro and UEFI for all machines with available Spectre and Meltdown patches installed. So no, not only AT did that....
 
Glad to see the new Ryzen continuing the legacy it's predecessor set before it. I love my 1700X, and will be holding out for third gen Ryzen before upgrading again. Now is an exciting time to buy a new CPU from AMD after closing that gap for real toe to toe competition.
 
So happy to see a good review on these, I get a 2700x tomorrow to replace my 1700 which will go into a new build for the kids..
Thanks for an excellent review.
 
I'm going 1700 to 2700x, that'll be a 500-600mhz minimum jump. In loads that use 4-6 threads (ie games) it should be close to 1ghz faster. Not bad for the same launch price a year later.
 
For starters, the obligatory thank you for the review :)

And some things i personally think are of note here:

- For eXXXtreme people (11!!!1), the reduced latencies coupled with the increased possible memory frequencies entail among other things a slightly increased SoC power consumption; definitely some extra stressing. While internally/in actuality this is all in Joules as far as IF is concerned, it does ultimately translate to a need for even cleaner a power delivery. Power efficiency of the SoC VRM now matters more than before. Keep this in mind when hearing "double digit phase" and thinking how awesome; that's the vcore's regulation, not the SoC's. Check the efficiency, check if it's enough to cover anything up to 2.5volts easily.
(hence 'efficiency', while it may be able to pump out more, it will no longer be as clean; leading to instability, or downright failings)

- Memory holes have been an issue when stressing (but really stressing) RAM timings on the 1st iteration of Ryzens. I would like to know what, if any, changes can be seen now what with the newer SoC iteration..refinement..whatever. Although this too will affect only a handful of people, granted. I understand why no reviewer would cover this, lol, but it's worth keeping it in mind, for the future. This is what will show just how better these can run.

- Despite the PR? I'd currently not bother getting a 3400-3600 freq RAM. Instead i'd get me a 3200 14-14-14-34 stick(s) and start working on the timings. What data we have available as of now shows the game is where it was at before; 3200 being the highest before diminishing returns, timings being of the primary import once there; i see nothing (again, thus far) that disputes this.
(the above in relation to infinity fabric mind, not games)

- We're looking at one hell of a Threadripper+, even if we assume no further improvements in between, which may not necessarily be the case. I'd remind that within a six month period, they'd managed to cram most of the improvements found in the current 2xxx SKUs in the first TR iteration.
(except the B2 stepping, sadly only EPYCs were graced with that)
The TR pluses should rock ^^

- Worthy of mention is also a rumor going around about a higher..high end chipset, the 490 (which kinda seems possible, as both companies try to resemble one another in numbering). For those wanting the best of the best (ego, placebo, et al, lol), patience may prove a boon.
 
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I wonder what the difference in performance will be slapping the 2700x on my Asus Prime B350-plus would be from my current 1700 ... :cautious:
 
ThreeDee said:
I wonder what the difference in performance will be slapping the 2700x on my Asus Prime B350-plus would be from my current 1700 ... :cautious:
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i dunno if i'd risk that.. the vrm's on most of those b350's are just barely able to handle the 1700x, i don't know if i'd risk putting a 2700x on it.
 
Making it easy for me to want to pick up a 2600 or my next build, if i can sell my dam current rig
 
pendragon1 said:
but I thought they were fine even on a 320?! ;)
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The issue is that the whole 300 series chipset lineup were designed with a TDP minimum requirement of 95w. So the worst boards would only barely scrape that requirement. Better quality boards would be able to handle much higher wattages, and good Z370 (and even some great B350 boards) would be able to handle 250w+, but when rolling the dice...


edit: just saw your winky face... now I realised I probably just gave you a bunch of info you already had...

:facepalm:
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
i dunno if i'd risk that.. the vrm's on most of those b350's are just barely able to handle the 1700x, i don't know if i'd risk putting a 2700x on it.
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That's not so simple :)

The primary concern with the current 350 mobos' VRMs is heat dissipation, not delivery in itself. Assuming very good->excellent airflow (of the proper, active kind mind, like on the VRMs) it would be possible.
The only asterisk here would be if we were discussing overclocking. If so, it would again be possible with i) a heatsink replacement and ii) assuming we were talking about something mild for my standards, ie what most do.
Otherwise, and only then, the answer is indeed no.
 
Pieter3dnow said:
The review looks great the one thing that was on the conclusion page was a bit odd but never the less it was great news. It seems that when you want to do daily usage and not number crunching 24/7 you don't have to overclock the 2700X.

Let's hope that AMD keeps those features working well in the next cpu they build.

The other odd thing is the 1800X and that is prolly why there is no 2800X. Because of the performance of the 2700X being so close on certain fronts ...
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Having used way too many FX cpu's I can say, they often ran better when you let them control their own clocks, especially if you didnt have a mobo that had the ability to reliably supply 200w of power to the cpu. AMD has had dynamic clocking and power under control for some time. Bulldozer cpus were really a tech marvel, unfortunately they caught fire and burned on launch. I expect overclocking will die in the next 2-3 years as AI takes over and just pushes the chips as far as they can go all the time. Its been happening for 5+ years now.
 
Kyle did your review have Spectre/Meltdown patches?

R.I.P. your i7-8700k :s
 
Aenra said:
That's not so simple :)

The primary concern with the current 350 mobos' VRMs is heat dissipation, not delivery in itself. Assuming very good->excellent airflow (of the proper, active kind mind, like on the VRMs) it would be possible.
The only asterisk here would be if we were discussing overclocking. If so, it would again be possible with a heatsink replacement and assuming we were talking about something mild for my standards, ie what most do.
Otherwise, and only then, the answer is indeed no.
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well .. I have good airflow and using dual 120mm rad water cooling as well with my B350 .. sooo .. maybe just a 2700 would be very doable then .. ?
 
Slapped a 2700 vanilla in my X370 Gigabyte Gaming 5 - 4ghz @ 1.28v out of the box. Might be able to undervolt further or go further. I'm going to ride this clock for a while and save the profile. Happy because 3.8 was the barrier unless a substantial increase in voltage on last generation.
 
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