AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

Dayaks said:
I was thinking the same thing and to be honest I don't need more than 8 cores. If my current rig wasn't acting strange I would be on Haswell for another 3-5 years.

I went ahead and preordered the 2700x last night. AMD has an absolutely terrible track record with launches but I like the thrill.
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Are you kidding me? Coffee lake was probably the worst launch I've ever seen in ever.
 
yeah Coffee lake and the month to get a CPU from a preorder... Ryzen only had issues due to memory compatibility and motherboard issues.
 
The fact that the non-Z motherboards launched 6 months after CFL didn't help matters either.
 
luke51087 said:
yeah Coffee lake and the month to get a CPU from a preorder... Ryzen only had issues due to memory compatibility and motherboard issues.
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"Only had issues due to memory compatibility and motherboard issues." I mean... that's 2/3 pieces of the puzzle...

Hoping that is all resolved now.
 
If I'm able to run 3600Mhz on my X370 ITX board after the latest bios update on my 1st gen part I figure the outlook is good.
 
Pillars said:
If I'm able to run 3600Mhz on my X370 ITX board after the latest bios update on my 1st gen part I figure the outlook is good.
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I was split between ordering 3200Mhz 14 timing ram with five stars and all good reviews (TridentZ flarex) and 4000Mhz ram... I went with the 3200Mhz sure thing. I need it to work all the time and I don't have time to fiddle, unfortunately. I love fixing things till they are broken.
 
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Hah not a good trait. My kit is the 3600Mhz 16-16-16-36 and it runs 1T on my setup now. Just as it does on my other 8700K build. I'll be able to do some 1440P numbers and direct comparisons :) I'm fairly certain I'll be skipping this refresh, however it is good to see there are some nice gains.
 
juanrga said:
So you don't know who is The Stilt and you don't know he has probably made the more complete and exhaustive set of measurements of IPC on Zen platforms.

Ok I got it! :whistle:
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I don't care who he is, or anyone else. A person needs to show evidence of their findings and/or statements. The link you gave, only shows a statement with NOTHING to back it up, which equals NOTHING. I can link you all kinds of statements from some very well known people, that in the end, are completely wrong and false.
 
NWRMidnight said:
I don't care who he is, or anyone else. A person needs to show evidence of their findings and/or statements. The link you gave, only shows a statement with NOTHING to back it up, which equals NOTHING. I can link you all kinds of statements from some very well known people, that in the end, are completely wrong and false.
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Don't know about all of juanrga's other stuff - I usually wind up disagreeing with him on most things. But TheStilt is a gentleman on the Anandtech forums who does pretty competent, detailed breakdowns of CPU architectures, performance, and benchmarks. He did an early breakdown of Ryzen here: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/
 
I am also wondering if the stock cooler will be good enough for the 2700x. I guess we'll find out in 12 hours!!
 
Mega6 said:
Stock is never worth the bother. Go BIG. [H]
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Generally I agree, but early reviews seem to all say the stock cooler is actually pretty darn good. I think almost every early review that I've seen has been impressed with it. Apparently, it's able to keep up with a decent OC. Obviously, a nice AIO or custom loop would be better, but they're also much more expensive.
 
bpizzle1 said:
Generally I agree, but early reviews seem to all say the stock cooler is actually pretty darn good. I think almost every early review that I've seen has been impressed with it. Apparently, it's able to keep up with a decent OC. Obviously, a nice AIO or custom loop would be better, but they're also much more expensive.
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Yeah and high rates of failure. I've been having bad luck with AIOs. It's tempting to hook up my loop to my pool again but that takes some time. My Ryzen 1400 is quiet under load... but that's a 1400 hah.
 
Mega6 said:
As long as it glows in the dark who gives a crap?
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lol I use a 1080ti that glows like a friggin rainbow. Thing is it's in a 330R case with no window.. you don't see squat.

I have a feeling the stock cooler will be decent. I'll give that a try first.
 
Anyone planning an mitx build? Or at least tracking good mitx mobos for the upcoming 2700x? Had my ncase sitting there for a few and she yearns to be filled with silicone.
 
Hakaba said:
Anyone planning an mitx build? Or at least tracking good mitx mobos for the upcoming 2700x? Had my ncase sitting there for a few and she yearns to be filled with silicone.
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waiting on more detailed info for x470/b450 but an mitx build is definitely in my plans.
 
So we are now only a few hours away from the NDA's lifting, there is one thing I want to mention:

With Ryzen 1st gen, XFR was supposedly a must-have feature that we found out after launch, is a dud.

I am glad that AMD finally made the feature worthwhile.
 
NWRMidnight said:
I don't care who he is, or anyone else. A person needs to show evidence of their findings and/or statements. The link you gave, only shows a statement with NOTHING to back it up, which equals NOTHING. I can link you all kinds of statements from some very well known people, that in the end, are completely wrong and false.
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Ok, then YOU can ignore whom he is or what he did, but rest of US continue trusting him and what he says.

Also that the IPC gap is 15% without 256/512bit workloads is easy to check. As reviews prove 6C CFL ~ 8C Zen in multithreaded worklads, which means about 33% gap per core. 15% is from IPC and the rest is from clocks: 4.3GHz vs 3.7Ghz.

DuronBurgerMan said:
Don't know about all of juanrga's other stuff - I usually wind up disagreeing with him on most things. But TheStilt is a gentleman on the Anandtech forums who does pretty competent, detailed breakdowns of CPU architectures, performance, and benchmarks. He did an early breakdown of Ryzen here: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/
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I usually disagree with you as well, but I agree with you on that The Stilt is a reliable source. It is more, his reviews are more exhaustive and technical than those of most professional reviews.
 
This bench always gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling:

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So basically, Ryzen+ is at Skylake-level IPC....

I'm cool with that :)
 
Very impressive so far, let's see how long Amazon takes to get me my 2700X. I'm interested to see if the B350 boards can handle precision boost, I plan on getting an x470 at some point once mobo reviews are in but will drop this in the system in sig and see what happens.
 
Looks like the stock cooler does very well so I am using that.

On my way is a 2700x, MSI x470 Gaming M7, and 16GB of 3200 Mhz ram. :)
 
horrorshow said:
This bench always gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling:

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So basically, Ryzen+ is at Skylake-level IPC....

I'm cool with that :)
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With Guru3D using engineering samples for Intel chips and other tricks? Sure. Without such tricks Zen+ IPC is 8% behind skylake in Cinebench

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And remember Cinebench is favouring AMD. The IPC gap is higher in other benches and when averaging we obtain about 12--25%.
 
DuronBurgerMan said:
juanrga said:
Yes, the memory controller is improved in latency (at expense of bandwidth).
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Citation needed on the second part. Only thing I've seen so far was that one Spanish review - and even then, the bandwidth reduction was only on X370, not X470. Which could be either a platform issue, or a beta BIOS issue (or both). But whatever it was, it wasn't present on the X470.
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DuronBurgerMan said:
Yup, I caught that too. I think AMD is relying on the higher clocks to mask the slight drop relative to the first gen.
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Optimizing for one almost always comes at the expense of the other (that is why memory controllers for GPUs and CPUs are different). That is why I expected that latency improvements to be paid in bandwidth terms.
 
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