Big_Rig_Stig
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It's a donkey punch followed by a dirty Sanchez...Don't get me started. Nvidia is fucking gamers while paying lip service. You know the old saying of no courtesy reach around?
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It's a donkey punch followed by a dirty Sanchez...Don't get me started. Nvidia is fucking gamers while paying lip service. You know the old saying of no courtesy reach around?
The last one I bought (the lappy was a gift), blew out three monitors before I traded it for an ATi.I don't buy Nvidia now and never will. I don't care if they drop the GPP, I'll never purchase ANYTHING with their products in it.
I don't think this'll last too long, I still believe AMD has a card up their sleeve, & nVidia has caught wind of it and is trying to squash it.Crap like this is one of the reasons my last two cards have been AMD cards. Nvidia has a history of engaging in anti-consumer business practices.
I think all gamers need to seriously factor this into their next GPU purchase. I totally understand that Nvidia has a technology advantage these days and that their cards can give better performance. However, the only way to stop behavior like this is if people stop buying their products. They really don't care about how much people complain on forums, etc. if they are still making money selling cards.
Isn't it so that the AMD cards mine better? Hmm....Sure it may be a tin hat thing but it feels like nvidia makes compute cards that happen to do games. And paid $112 million just to block a technology that would have allowed others to make better gaming cards that would have cost them profits from gamers to build their compute card empire.
Those rotary telephones have a great advantage: if you turn the dial & stick a pencil in it, they can't listen to your conversation in the room with the phone.Its amazing how many people cant see past this week's benchmarks. I bet they still use Internet Explorer 6, SoundBlasters, and Bell rotary telephones.
You're the one who missed his point: he specc'd a good system with HP and was UNABLE to beat it at Newegg. And he used AMD parts. His system is close enough in power to eliminate that few percentage points of e-dick in owning an nVidia card, not to mention price.once again someone missed the point of the article. May be read the article next time it wasn't about if you should build your own system or buy a prebuilt one. lol. You are so off topic here I cant even begin to explain it.
I still think this could work in favor of AMD. Separate brands means they can build brand reputations all on their own.
In the long run, whatever happens with GPP, if AMD isn't making a competing product, then it isn't going to matter... the only choice will become nVidia. They currently only (really) compete against their own older cards, so maybe it would be ok... but they could go nuts on GPU pricing. If this happens, then the $$ would trigger others to develop for the market. What is wrong with Intel anyway, you'd think they could make a good GPU...
From what I have heard, FTC is getting complaints about GPP before it is really off the ground. Probably wishful thinking, but maybe the FTC would intervene.. say "this clause is anti-competitive", and it would never impact the market because they could just remove the offending bits. Or they might say, "The way this is implemented is not in violation of the law.." and we can move on from worrying about it.
If I had had better experiences with AMD's products in the past, I would join you in buying their GPU next time around. Still might if performance is good. But having been burned more than once, not about to do it without careful consideration. They are to blame for the situation the market is in... place the blame all around, they all are culpable in this.
Yeah here in the US, in most restaurants, it's either Coke or Pepsi for the most part... The few places around here that have both just sell cans for a buck.
ID10T errorThat's because the "leash" doesn't exist. Said it before, will say it again. Let me know when ASUS actually pulls their ROG AMD products and replaces them with this mythical "AREZ" series. And when MSI/Gigabyte follow suit.
Make sure you mine it on your AMD card.Mr. Bennett .Its 2018, time to get some crypto addresses and I will contribute monthly...
Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the information about arez came from VCZ, not HardOCP.He's calling Kyle a liar.
I have AREZ information from my contacts. It is 100% true. It will be announced officially this week.Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the information about arez came from VCZ, not HardOCP.
Not the first time, not the last. But for the record, how many times have I been proven a liar?He's calling Kyle a liar.
No AMD GPUs will be marketed under the ROG brand. Those will all be marketed under the AREZ brand. Now how that brand will be identified is yet to be seen.AREZ by itself isn't noteworthy, it's whether it replaces ROG that matters.
That is not true.If VC is right, AMD may not even be marketed under the ASUS brand.
And what about what nvidia is doing isnt collusion?Nothing about that statement would be realistic or legitimate. If they banded together its collusion and against the law. If they do it on their own, i suppose its possible but why would Intel/AMD want to give up high end cpu/chipset sales?
Also how are they going to "block" gsync, it doesn't have anything to do with the cpu or platform, on the gpu.
Pitchforks and flamethrowers.I'm not sure how Best buy incentivises their sales people these days
And your blathering aren't noteworthy, either.AREZ by itself isn't noteworthy, it's whether it replaces ROG that matters.
#BOOMheadshot!
Having recently considered a laptop...I actually stopped into a BestBuy to see how their selection/prices compared to online...
In store there were:
0 Lenovos
Maybe 5 Dells
10 Acers
10 Mac/Apple Laptops
5 Google Chromebooks (If you consider these laptops)
2 Alienware Laptops
8 or so HPs.
These are all rough estimates mind you but from my initial observation. Probably about 3-4 years ago, you might have seen 8 or so "Gateway" PCs but that brand is gone.
So really the only other big names besides Dell/HP these days are Acer and Apple. A moderate player seems to be Google Chromebooks/Samsung Tablets and finally a small player struggling to pawn $2000 dollar laptops with a GTX1060 in them Alienware.
Honestly though, the best price-performance I found (and this might just be me...) was going with Lenovo.com's online sales direct from manufacturer. The Lenovo Y720 or something like that with a I7-7770k and a GTX 1060 came to ~1500CAD before taxes. BestBuys' equivalent was $1900 CAD. However, the Lenovo was 8GB of ram vs 12GB of ram. You can customize thru the website to equalize that and it's still cheaper. Just my observation anyways. I haven't checked to see how direct from Dell compares to the dell in store at bestbuy yet.
Yer late.You realize that Alienware is owned by Dell, right? The laptop you saw was probably the R13, which is pretty bloody nice.
Existing ASUS video cards that don't fall under the ROG umbrella: Turbo, Dual, Expedition, Cerberus, Phoenix.And your blathering aren't noteworthy, either.
But, I won't block or mute you. I'd rather make fun of you.
Well first off, they are suggesting the entire ASUS brand itself is being replaced with AREZ on the AMD side. Their table shows "ROG" being replaced with "AREZ", and they also show non-ROG cards getting the "AREZ" label appended to them. AREZ isn't just replacing ROG, it's replacing the entire company.The same rumor that indicates AREZ exists also shows it replaces ROG STRIX with AREZ STRIX.
https://videocardz.com/75783/nvidia-gpp-meet-asus-arez-radeon-series
I refer you to this: https://hardforum.com/attachments/q8ppacyag3n01-jpg.66964/Existing ASUS video cards that don't fall under the ROG umbrella: Turbo, Dual, Expedition, Cerberus, Phoenix.
Adding Arez to that list doesn't mean much. The fate of ROG Radeon products is all that matters, whether or not that has anything to do with Arez remains to be seen. Ignoring the fact that Arez itself remains to be seen.
BAAAAD idea. That's simply caving, and won't work unless (UNLESS) they have a new part that's gonna bitch-slap 1080Ti/whatever so hard it'll land in 1999 as a Diamond Speedstar. But that would also mean abandoning ROG to nVidia and letting them color it green.It may be a way to get around the GPP's restriction , split off AMD from ASUS.
Nvidia would tell you it's not about them claiming ownership of the brand, but making sure they don't share the brand with AMD.I refer you to this: https://hardforum.com/attachments/q8ppacyag3n01-jpg.66964/
Nvidia would tell you it's not about them claiming ownership of the brand, but making sure they don't share the brand with AMD.
Corvette is a popular sports car from Chevy, how would they feel if Ford released their own sports car called "Corvette"? Same principle. Nvidia is using their market dominance to say they have the rights to those brands, and the AIBs are agreeing.
I'm not defending the move, by the way. The brands have been established for years now, it's just Nvidia's way of sending AMD to the back of the bus.
I didn't say it was the same thing, I said it was the same principle.How would a company feel if they used a trademarked name ??? That isn't even close to the same thing.
Asus buys parts from Nvida that is their relationship. Nvidia is a supplier... Asus is Nvidias customer. Not their competition.
Ford using a trademarked name ... or MS releasing iWindows devices. Is not even remotely the same thing.
Nvidia doesn't own a brand trademarked by another company, simply because they sell them a part... Royals Royce doesn't demand brand names from Boeing even if their engines are the most important part of the plane. They can't demand ownership of their customers trademarks on threat of slowing or cutting off supply, because they have a dominant position. (Frankly if a court decides they are in fact in a dominante position they will look at their current actions even less favorably)
With your logic Intel should go back to demanding HP Dell and every other OEM no longer sell AMD in anything higher end. I mean that wasn't ruled illegal already or anything. Or perhaps MS should use their market dominance to demand OEMs only ship high end PCs with windows on them... I mean that couldn't possibly land them in court right ?
I didn't say it was the same thing, I said it was the same principle.
Nvidia is claiming ownership of those brands, and giving the AIBs a choice: Either give them exclusive rights to the brand, or don't join GPP and suffer the consequences. They are suggesting that if AMD shares the same brands then it degrades Nvidia's branding. If the AIBs disagree, they simply don't join GPP.
You not understanding the entire situation is showing.Nvidia would tell you it's not about them claiming ownership of the brand, but making sure they don't share the brand with AMD.
Corvette is a popular sports car from Chevy, how would they feel if Ford released their own sports car called "Corvette"? Same principle. Nvidia is using their market dominance to say they have the rights to those brands, and the AIBs are agreeing.
Please give me documentation for this. Thanks.which hurts their sales?
What would you like documentation of exactly?I will when you provide it, Kyle.
I don't care what he releases, I was citing his own words in his own article. If he wants to refute himself, he can do that and I will edit my post.I think he wants you to release the proof you have so that your contact can get in trouble.
I will get right on getting a bunch of people fired.I think he wants you to release the proof you have so that your contact can get in trouble.
Thanks for your input. I am sure it has been of great value to many.I don't care what he releases, I was citing his own words in his own article. If he wants to refute himself, he can do that and I will edit my post.
You mean Nvidia is forcing their partners to abandon AMD products on their established gaming brands and use new labels with no brand recognition, which hurts their sales? And Nvidia gets to stay on the established brands, which will push more customers to buy their GPUs? Yes I fully understand the situation. It's not complex.
The alternative way of looking at it is that Nvidia doesn't want to share brands with "inferior" products (in their eyes). One could argue that AMD is leeching off the success that Nvidia has built for ROG, Gaming X, Aorus, etc.
My point is this (my gut feeling, fwiw): nVidia may make the fastest card, but the AMD offerings provide a *better* experience overall.