AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

The A320 only supports 65W CPU's. How can you say it is a proper test?

I'm not so sure what model they did test , only Asrock A320M , Asrock A320 Pro4 supports Ryzen 1800X but a Proper test means X470 with 2700X. I strongly debunk Canard PC's Test not because of their Result , rather because of their methodology.Canard PC's method for Testing system is completely wrong.I will wait for a proper Review.just ignore juanrga.
 
I'm not so sure what model they did test , only Asrock A320M , Asrock A320 Pro4 supports Ryzen 1800X but a Proper test means X470 with 2700X. I strongly debunk Canard PC's Test not because of their Result , rather because of their methodology.Canard PC's method for Testing system is completely wrong.I will wait for a proper Review.just ignore juanrga.

AsRock A320M-HDV
 
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Review: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (X470)
BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
04/16/2018
CPUS & APUS
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As we did on Friday with the Ryzen 7 2700X , we reanalyzed the new AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with an X470 motherboard that allows us to realize its full potential. Recall that this processor offers 6 cores and 12 threads , which increase their frequencies to 3.40 GHz base , and can reach 3.90 GHz in Boost mode.

Let's see first its complete technical specifications :

AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Socket AM4
Fabrication process 12 nm
Cores / Threads 6 cores / 12 threads
Base Frequency 3.40 GHz
Turbo Frequency 3.90 GHz
Cache L3 2 × 8 MB
Compatible Memory DDR4-2933 Dual-Channel
PCIe lines 16 lines
TDP 65W
Index of contents [Ocultar]

Packaging and Accessories
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The AMD Ryzen 5 2600 comes in a box similar to the previous generation design, showing the processor from the side and protecting it perfectly inside, as well as the heatsink.

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In addition to the warranty card and a Ryzen 5 sticker, this model comes with the AMD Wraith Stealth dissipator, a model already seen in the first generation and which offers nothing new.

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AMD Ryzen 5 2600
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As we anticipated, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers 6 cores , which in turn offer 12 threads that start from a base frequency of 3.4 GHz to reach 3.9 GHz in Turbo mode thanks to Precision Boost technology. It offers a total of 2 × 8 MB of L3 cache , as well as 6 x 512 KB of L2 cache and 6 x 32 KB + 6 x 64 KB of L1 cache, so it offers a cache distribution identical to that of the Ryzen 5 1600 .

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As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and SHA, also the same as in the first generation of Ryzen .

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Obviously it is a processor for the AM4 socket and therefore makes use of the " Pin Grip Array " connection system, where the pins are in the processor and not in the motherboard, highlighting the use of a total of 1,331 contacts.

Test Equipment
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To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 processor we have assembled the following test equipment:

For reasons of NDA, we can not show the used motherboard, so for now you will have to settle for what is a high-end model X470 .

Synthetic Tests
Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264), memories (Aida64) or focused on games (3D Mark).

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Games
Unlike the problems we had with the X370 platform, this time we were able to check the result in games without any type of contingency.

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Temperature, Overclocking and Consumption
Under an ambient temperature of 20ºC, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers temperatures of about 40 ° C at rest and about 55 ° C in its stress test, a high value compared to the best results obtained with the reference heatsink under the X370 platform, so we will have to wait for Ryzen Master software to check it again, it is not logical that they have increased with a liquid cooling.

On the consumption , to say that it has improved notably remaining around 155W for the complete equipment in the stress test of Aida64 (without discs or GPU).

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In our tests, we have managed to reach 4.30 GHz with 1.5V, although they are not stable. We have also managed to lower to 1,456V for the 4.10 GHz , this time if completely stable. With this, we have managed to go from 1,260 points in Cinebench 15 to 1,289 points , an improvement of 2.5% , and from 16,133 to 16,315 in 3DMark Fire Strike , an improvement of 1% .

conclusion
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As we already anticipated in the review of the X370 platform, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 supposes a review of frequencies on the Ryzen 5 1600 , something that improves its performance by around 10% . We speak of an improvement of the kind that Intel usually offers us, so the price is the one that will mark whether it compensates or not. However, the great improvement is found in the treatment of memories and performance in games , which is not burdened as in the first generation of Ryzen processors.

We can now find this AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for sale in stores like PcComponentes or Amazon for about 200 euros , a price that competes directly with the Intel Core i5 , which excels in multi-threaded tasks and resembles in the rest of functions.

Main advantages
+ Good performance / price ratio for professional environments
+ Excellent multi-core performance
+ Very good temperatures and consumption
+ 6 cores / 12 threads
+ Notable performance improvement in games compared to the previous generation
+ Compatible with previous generation base plates
Negative aspects
- Nothing to write home about
Other Aspects
* OC capacity similar to the previous generation
From El Chapuzas Informático we awarded the Gold Award to the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 .

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Read more: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/04/amd-ryzen-5-2600-x470-review/
 
This higher clocked Ryzen (2700x) is really interesting.

My GPU will stay at 16x if I use one 16x slot and two 1x PCIe slots on a MSI X470 Gaming M7 board? I answered my own question - this will work since the PCIe 2.0 is over the chipset!

I need a new rig so looking at a 8600k or 2700/2700x....

I think I will jump on the new Ryzen. I always said if it was around 4.4Ghz it's a good deal.
 
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Review: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (X470)
BY IVÁN MARTÍNEZ
04/16/2018
CPUS & APUS
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As we did on Friday with the Ryzen 7 2700X , we reanalyzed the new AMD Ryzen 5 2600 with an X470 motherboard that allows us to realize its full potential. Recall that this processor offers 6 cores and 12 threads , which increase their frequencies to 3.40 GHz base , and can reach 3.90 GHz in Boost mode.

Let's see first its complete technical specifications :

AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Socket AM4
Fabrication process 12 nm
Cores / Threads 6 cores / 12 threads
Base Frequency 3.40 GHz
Turbo Frequency 3.90 GHz
Cache L3 2 × 8 MB
Compatible Memory DDR4-2933 Dual-Channel
PCIe lines 16 lines
TDP 65W
Index of contents [Ocultar]

Packaging and Accessories
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The AMD Ryzen 5 2600 comes in a box similar to the previous generation design, showing the processor from the side and protecting it perfectly inside, as well as the heatsink.

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In addition to the warranty card and a Ryzen 5 sticker, this model comes with the AMD Wraith Stealth dissipator, a model already seen in the first generation and which offers nothing new.

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AMD Ryzen 5 2600
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As we anticipated, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers 6 cores , which in turn offer 12 threads that start from a base frequency of 3.4 GHz to reach 3.9 GHz in Turbo mode thanks to Precision Boost technology. It offers a total of 2 × 8 MB of L3 cache , as well as 6 x 512 KB of L2 cache and 6 x 32 KB + 6 x 64 KB of L1 cache, so it offers a cache distribution identical to that of the Ryzen 5 1600 .

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As we can see in CPU-Z , the set of instructions supported has MMX (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V, AES, AVX, AVX2, FMA3 and SHA, also the same as in the first generation of Ryzen .

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Obviously it is a processor for the AM4 socket and therefore makes use of the " Pin Grip Array " connection system, where the pins are in the processor and not in the motherboard, highlighting the use of a total of 1,331 contacts.

Test Equipment
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To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 processor we have assembled the following test equipment:

For reasons of NDA, we can not show the used motherboard, so for now you will have to settle for what is a high-end model X470 .

Synthetic Tests
Next, we show you the results of the performance tests performed on this and other processors in calculation benchmarks (wPrime), rendering (Cinebench), coding (x264), memories (Aida64) or focused on games (3D Mark).

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Games
Unlike the problems we had with the X370 platform, this time we were able to check the result in games without any type of contingency.

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Temperature, Overclocking and Consumption
Under an ambient temperature of 20ºC, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 offers temperatures of about 40 ° C at rest and about 55 ° C in its stress test, a high value compared to the best results obtained with the reference heatsink under the X370 platform, so we will have to wait for Ryzen Master software to check it again, it is not logical that they have increased with a liquid cooling.

On the consumption , to say that it has improved notably remaining around 155W for the complete equipment in the stress test of Aida64 (without discs or GPU).

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In our tests, we have managed to reach 4.30 GHz with 1.5V, although they are not stable. We have also managed to lower to 1,456V for the 4.10 GHz , this time if completely stable. With this, we have managed to go from 1,260 points in Cinebench 15 to 1,289 points , an improvement of 2.5% , and from 16,133 to 16,315 in 3DMark Fire Strike , an improvement of 1% .

conclusion
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As we already anticipated in the review of the X370 platform, the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 supposes a review of frequencies on the Ryzen 5 1600 , something that improves its performance by around 10% . We speak of an improvement of the kind that Intel usually offers us, so the price is the one that will mark whether it compensates or not. However, the great improvement is found in the treatment of memories and performance in games , which is not burdened as in the first generation of Ryzen processors.

We can now find this AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for sale in stores like PcComponentes or Amazon for about 200 euros , a price that competes directly with the Intel Core i5 , which excels in multi-threaded tasks and resembles in the rest of functions.

Main advantages
+ Good performance / price ratio for professional environments
+ Excellent multi-core performance
+ Very good temperatures and consumption
+ 6 cores / 12 threads
+ Notable performance improvement in games compared to the previous generation
+ Compatible with previous generation base plates
Negative aspects
- Nothing to write home about
Other Aspects
* OC capacity similar to the previous generation
From El Chapuzas Informático we awarded the Gold Award to the AMD Ryzen 5 2600 .

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Read more: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/04/amd-ryzen-5-2600-x470-review/

The biggest problem with this review is that a GTX1070 will bottleneck a lot of those chips. We need to see something on a 1080ti or even a Vega 64 LC to see something that can push more frames.

There have been reported memory latency improvements which will be good.

Also, there are reported cache latency fixes that made it into Threadripper and Epyc that desktop Summit Ridge didn't have (which may also improve gaming performance).
 
This higher clocked Ryzen (2700x) is really interesting.

My GPU will stay at 16x if I use one 16x slot and two 1x PCIe slots on a MSI X470 Gaming M7 board? I answered my own question - this will work since the PCIe 2.0 is over the chipset!

I need a new rig so looking at a 8600k or 2700/2700x....

I think I will jump on the new Ryzen. I always said if it was around 4.4Ghz it's a good deal.

I feel like the 2700x is a no-brainer when comparing it to the 8600k. You're talking about basically the same gaming experience, but you'd come out way ahead on anything multi-threaded (including future games perhaps). Granted, the 2700x price is more in line with the 8700k, so it makes sense to have a bit of a blurred line there.
 
I feel like the 2700x is a no-brainer when comparing it to the 8600k. You're talking about basically the same gaming experience, but you'd come out way ahead on anything multi-threaded (including future games perhaps). Granted, the 2700x price is more in line with the 8700k, so it makes sense to have a bit of a blurred line there.

Is the only difference between the 2700 and 2700x clock speed and cooler? It's only $30 difference... must read up on this more. I only check on CPUs every five years so it's a learning experience.

I know the price is more compareable to a 8700k but I don't think I need HT when it has 6 cores. So I am more comparing it to a 8600k.

I am tempted to throw AMD a bone even if the 8600k is probably slightly (insignificantly) better for gaming. I do some home video editing which makes the Ryzen tempting.
 
This higher clocked Ryzen (2700x) is really interesting.

My GPU will stay at 16x if I use one 16x slot and two 1x PCIe slots on a MSI X470 Gaming M7 board? I answered my own question - this will work since the PCIe 2.0 is over the chipset!

I need a new rig so looking at a 8600k or 2700/2700x....

I think I will jump on the new Ryzen. I always said if it was around 4.4Ghz it's a good deal.

AWESOMESAUCE! Good choice. Let us know how you like it. I jumped on the Ryzen bandwagon last year first release. Never had any issues with 1700 & Asus CH6. Solid as a rock. Then I had to sell my system during the holidays. Now I'm building a new rig and getting Ryzen 2 with an Asus CH7, Gskill Trident Z RGB 3600.
 
AWESOMESAUCE! Good choice. Let us know how you like it. I jumped on the Ryzen bandwagon last year first release. Never had any issues with 1700 & Asus CH6. Solid as a rock. Then I had to sell my system during the holidays. Now I'm building a new rig and getting Ryzen 2 with an Asus CH7, Gskill Trident Z RGB 3600.

I built a Ryzen 1400 for the kid last year and was thoroughly impressed. Probably the first time with an AMD product since the Athlon to be honest lol. Yeah 2700x looks to be a nice chip.
 
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According to AMD, Ryzen 7 2700X has gaming performance that is within 5% of the Core i7-8700K

I'm assuming that is compared to a stock 8700k. I think the Intel at 5.0+ would still probably show a decent gap. Still nice to have AMD close enough to warrant a look for gaming, though. If they can get clocks up with their next gen, they might strike gold.
 
It looks like there is nice performance improvement even accounting for the clock speed.



Interesting to see his numbers supporting his claim thst it's really not even worth OCing. If boost mode works that well, color me impressed. Definitely going to keep an eye on this on the 19th.
 
It looks like there is nice performance improvement even accounting for the clock speed.



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Snipped from that video.

I'd like to see minimums. I can't remember the review but the Ryzen had better mins than a 8700k... which is what I really care about.
 
But someone was so sure that latency had not changed on Zen+. Looks like Zen+ is doing a bit better then I expected.
 
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Snipped from that video.

I'd like to see minimums. I can't remember the review but the Ryzen had better mins than a 8700k... which is what I really care about.

interesting that they use a last generation quad core instead of this generations 6 core to compare the new stuff from AMD.

i'm sure that was an oversight.
 
At the same clock, Cinebench only went up 3% while games sent up 9-14%

So, it looks like Cinebench is not very sensitive to memory latency, while games are much more so.
 
interesting that they use a last generation quad core instead of this generations 6 core to compare the new stuff from AMD.

i'm sure that was an oversight.

It wouldn't make much difference in the gaming tests. Obviously, the productivity/ content creation stuff would likely be quite different, though.
 
According to AMD, Ryzen 7 2700X has gaming performance that is within 5% of the Core i7-8700K

If this turns out to be true for the games I play (and have been waiting on an upgrade to play), I'll probably be on board.

Though forgive me if I wait for that to be "according to [something other than AMD marketing material or random Youtuber], Ryzen 7 2700X has gaming performance that is within 5% of the Core i7-8700K". From the slides, I'm very interested to see how the combination of ~3% IPC gain, cache latency improvements and ~250MHz extra head room come together for gaming, particularly some of the previous outliers. Kudos to AMD if they have managed to identify and mitigate whatever was holding the Ryzen back there.

Must admit to being a little depressed by the suggested state of software in the relative graphs on the last AMD slide. That a third more cores/threads doesn't translate more linearly, still having "equivalent" making it into marketing material.



It wouldn't make much difference in the gaming tests. Obviously, the productivity/ content creation stuff would likely be quite different, though.

Is that also true of the AoTS CPU benchmark mentioned in the video? Was under the impression AoTS was one of the few games that had some multi-threading optimization beyond 4/8.



Understand maybe not when looking at price, but can't shake the feeling of "apples to oranges" in these comparisons. Looking forward to seeing 2600X compared to 8700K, 6/12, to glean what the next 6 to 12 months may hold.
 
Though forgive me if I wait for that to be "according to [something other than AMD marketing material or random Youtuber], Ryzen 7 2700X has gaming performance that is within 5% of the Core i7-8700K".

What do you mean?

AMD said that during the press conference today.

The catch is that the test was performed using a GeForce GTX 1080.
 
What do you mean?

AMD said that during the press conference today.

The catch is that the test was performed using a GeForce GTX 1080.

As in benchmarks from a reputable source (i.e. the [H] review) as opposed to AMD marketing material or press conferences.

Where I can see the caveats... what the 12 games are and at what settings, what the numbers on those charts are, what the other components in the test system are and set to. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to think that the 3% IPC gain is honest by virtue of it not seemingly being too high (though that might be conditioning given Intel's marketed "gains" in that area between recent generations) so not saying AMD isn't reputable, but... well, show me any company that goes to market with a narrative that isn't positive, without a little spin or hype?



Can people stop using AotS as a gaming benchmark?

I don't mind it being used... if it can be in any way indicative of how a future game (that I might actually want to play) might run on that hardware if optimized for more threads.

The big if 's there being if it is in any way indicative, and if games actually (finally?) become optimized for more threads.
 
So looks like this isn't just faster clock speeds. Just read up on 1700x vs 2700x both at 4ghz and 2700x is averaging 10% of so faster than 1700x. and its even beating the 1700x OC at stock speeds. So now if you can push 2700x at 4.2 to 4.3ghz it will just widen that gap. I say job well done on AMDs part. I don't even have AMD right now but I must admit AMD is looking good these days. Haters will hate but hats off to AMD making everything competitive.

For once I am considering switching to AMD, not yet but may be zen 2. My current i5 system is doing fine. But AMD certainly is tempting me lol.
 

So early reviews and people that preordered was correct. Only 200MHz OC extra.

At the same clock, Cinebench only went up 3% while games sent up 9-14%

So, it looks like Cinebench is not very sensitive to memory latency, while games are much more so.

Games are latency-oriented workloads. Cinebench is throughput. That is why a throughput-oriented muarch as Zen shined in CB but suffered in games.
 
But someone was so sure that latency had not changed on Zen+. Looks like Zen+ is doing a bit better then I expected.

Notice how 'someone' isn't posting right now?

Shhhhh, he might hear you!

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Latency in cycles hasn't changed. E.g. a 12 cycle L2 cache is already in the Zen cores as demonstrated in #152. So a 12 cycle L2 is not something new to Zen+ cores as someone else pretended. Latency in ns is what changes because the new chip runs at higher clocks!
 
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THinking of selling my 8600k in the other computer room and getting the 2700 instead. I have zero need for it. I would just do it to do it.
 
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Latency in cycles hasn't changed. E.g. a 12 cycle L2 cache is already in the Zen cores as demonstrated in #152. So a 12 cycle L2 is not something new to Zen+ cores as someone else pretended. Latency in ns is what changes because the new chip runs at higher clocks!

There he is!

And grasping at straws as well.

Let me guess, still sandy-bridge IPC?
 
There he is!

And grasping at straws as well.

Let me guess, still sandy-bridge IPC?

Bahahaha I love it.

Looking at some "revisted" reviews of the 1800x after BIOs updates I am going to wait for reviews for the 2700x. I have to ignore the idiotic urge to preorder. My main concern is minimums in games... since I just got a Vive Pro and minimums = vomiting in VR. Although the 1800x did ok so the 2700x should be solid.
 
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As in benchmarks from a reputable source (i.e. the [H] review) as opposed to AMD marketing material or press conferences.

Where I can see the caveats... what the 12 games are and at what settings, what the numbers on those charts are, what the other components in the test system are and set to. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to think that the 3% IPC gain is honest by virtue of it not seemingly being too high (though that might be conditioning given Intel's marketed "gains" in that area between recent generations) so not saying AMD isn't reputable, but... well, show me any company that goes to market with a narrative that isn't positive, without a little spin or hype?





I don't mind it being used... if it can be in any way indicative of how a future game (that I might actually want to play) might run on that hardware if optimized for more threads.

The big if 's there being if it is in any way indicative, and if games actually (finally?) become optimized for more threads.

With Xbox 1 being 8 cores you're starting to see more ports scale past 4 threads.. next gen we'll maybe see 12 or 16 thread consoles which would definitely force more games to be thread aware but only time will tell.
 

Latency in cycles hasn't changed. E.g. a 12 cycle L2 cache is already in the Zen cores as demonstrated in #152. So a 12 cycle L2 is not something new to Zen+ cores as someone else pretended. Latency in ns is what changes because the new chip runs at higher clocks!

I'd assumed that attachment was the latency others had been referring to, and I'd assumed that it was improvements due to the new process or AMD addressing hardware issues early adopters identified first go around. With the percentages seemingly not aligning with the clock increases (or each other), I'm not sure how it would relate to simply higher clocks... but I'm not going to pretend I understand what exactly goes on at that hardware level and I'd be happy to be educated there.


With Xbox 1 being 8 cores you're starting to see more ports scale past 4 threads.. next gen we'll maybe see 12 or 16 thread consoles which would definitely force more games to be thread aware but only time will tell.

Not to put you on the spot, but did you have any ports in particular in mind? Would genuinely like to keep a look out for them in the review benchmarks on the 19th.
 
Not to put you on the spot, but did you have any ports in particular in mind? Would genuinely like to keep a look out for them in the review benchmarks on the 19th.

forza 7 i definitely know is set to use 7 threads on both pc and console. then you have all the battlefield games which scale past 4 threads but not 8. i've seen a few other games that i can't think of off the top of my head because they weren't games i cared about that showed gains with 8 thread cpu's vs 4 core/thread cpu's. i'll have to look for them later this afternoon after i get some sleep since i just got finished with a 12h shift.
 
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